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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/2/2012 10:31:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Come on folks - its really tight in Group 1 - and after building a seemingly unassailable lead, Yamato is coming back at Iowa in Group 2. If you want your favourite through to the final get over to the General Discussion forum and go to the Australian Beauties thread. Your fav Fast Battleship needs you:




Group 1

HMS King George V (4) warspite1, redcoat, british exil, sprior
Bismarck (4) Orm, fodder, MAurelius, Empire101
Vittorio Veneto (2) Chickenboy, cohimbra

Group 2

USS Iowa (6) warspite1, Orm, parusski, Chickenboy, MAurelius, british exil
Yamato (3) fodder, cohimbra, Empire101
Richelieu (2) redcoat, sprior


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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/2/2012 10:39:03 PM   
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And finally, Warspite grounded on her way to the breakers in the ironically named Prussian Cove:







Are you sure thats not a picture taken after an epic WiF game in which Yamato sunk Warspite....or was it the other way around. I can't remember..........

warspite1

No sir! This was the thanks the Grand Old Lady got after she had won the war. The image you were thinking of was as per below:

Warspite1 sends over a deadly salvo and Yamato blows up - Hurrah . Now its off to Trincomalee for tea and medals









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I look forward to it Empire. I can see the AAR now:

April 1942. The RN's Eastern Fleet, led by HMS Warspite, sorties into the South China Sea and quickly despatches Yamato, Hiei, Kongo and Nagato to the bottom of the sea. Yamato and Warspite fought a duel that lasted 30 minutes. Warspite's 15-inchers pummelled the hapless Japanese battleship into oblivion, while in reply, the Grand Old Lady required a new lick of paint when she returned triumphantly to Singapore after the battle.



Yes yes....I can picture it now.

Warspite: Suck on this Empire ( rolls 4 sixes )

Empire:- No..Noooo....NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! ( Yamato is sunk....Empire presses the eject button on his chair and is catapulted into the nearest heap of discarded 3rd Reich games )

Even now I can hear the screaming........








Ahh yes...now I remember......and I can still hear the screaming..........

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/2/2012 10:45:58 PM   
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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/2/2012 10:55:13 PM   
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Dunkerque class battleship
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Not in the competition - Richelieu represents France.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/2/2012 11:29:48 PM   
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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/2/2012 11:36:31 PM   
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How about HMS Victory, she was still in commission 39-45. She still is.






Well if we're going to go there I have to choose the USS Constitution. Not just better looking, I'd prefer to be in her. That was not intended to be a double entendre.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/2/2012 11:47:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		The HMS Victory is the early 19th century equivalent of a battleship. The USS Constitution, while a fine looking ship, is smaller and it closer to a 20th century destroyer.

It may be all the models of the Constitution that have been on the market, but at least among Americans the lines of the Constitution are what we think of when we think of a fighting ship of sail.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 12:00:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to disagree with you there, it was the most powerful sailing frigate (with her two sisters) ever built and it was much faster than any ship-of-the-line, and could while running away, tack and fire a salvo over and over, while the SotL would be unable to do the same without losing her. She also had 32 flippin' pounder guns. I would build a fleet of them and no SotLs, period.

Another thing about the 32 pounders, any SotL's upper two gun decks would not have the range of the Constitution's guns and therefor the SotL would be technically outgunned.

One more thing about Ol' Ironsides. Beside being very fast, she was virtually armoured due to the design thickness of her upper hull. Thus Ol' Ironsides.

Rather than comparing her to a destroyer, I would compare her to a Klingon Bird of Prey. You could also say she was a Battlecruiser of her time.

I would consider a mere fighting sloop of war equivalent to a cruiser, anyhow.

While we're on the subject, I really, really like armed Brigantines. They would be equivalent to destroyers and I would build a bunch of them.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 12:04:26 AM   
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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 12:28:07 AM   
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I have to disagree with you there, it was the most powerful sailing frigate (with her two sisters) ever built and it was much faster than any ship-of-the-line, and could while running away, tack and fire a salvo over and over, while the SotL would be unable to do the same without losing her. She also had 32 flippin' pounder guns. I would build a fleet of them and no SotLs, period.


Which is pretty much what the early USN did. They built as many frigates as they could afford, which unfortunately was not that many.

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Another thing about the 32 pounders, any SotL's upper two gun decks would not have the range of the Constitution's guns and therefor the SotL would be technically outgunned.

One more thing about Ol' Ironsides. Beside being very fast, she was virtually armoured due to the design thickness of her upper hull. Thus Ol' Ironsides.

Rather than comparing her to a destroyer, I would compare her to a Klingon Bird of Prey. You could also say she was a Battlecruiser of her time.

I would consider a mere fighting sloop of war equivalent to a cruiser, anyhow.

While we're on the subject, I really, really like armed Brigantines. They would be equivalent to destroyers and I would build a bunch of them.


I'm not arguing with the power and utility of the early USN frigates. They were probably the most efficient fighting ships to their day, however they map to more modern ships. However, the thread is about BBs and battlecruisers have already been ruled out as the wrong class.

Another possible classification would be a pocket battleship, though mapping ships of sail to more modern ships is a bit tricky. The change in propulsion and the advent of armor on ships changed the way everything was done on ships to a point where the old classes only fit loosely at best.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 12:31:43 AM   
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Lady and Gentlemen


Like the thread title says, I am looking for the most beautiful ships of WWII. The first category up for grabs is the most beautiful of the Fast Battleships. There are two groups of three, and I am looking for 1 vote per person in each group please. If you fancy it, please drop by the Australian Beauties thread and cast your vote.


I was just responding to the first sentence. Forgive me. Of course that means Victory should not have come up in the first place. I just considered ships of that sort very clumsy and could not hold my peace.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 12:50:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		To get this thread back on track, here's an unoffical update.

In group one Bismarck is now up by three.

In group two, once down six to one, Yamato is now tied with Iowa.


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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 2:49:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		We need classes for "light" battleships such as the Sharnhorst type, WWI vets such as Warspie, and the old US and Italian BBs that were rebuilt, and/or battle-cruisers such as the Alaska, Dunkerque, ect.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 3:06:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		The SOUTH DAKOTA class. Short, squat, bristling with guns..., they put the "battle" in "Battleship". Others may have prettier lines, but none look more purposefull.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 3:15:51 AM   
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The SOUTH DAKOTA class. Short, squat, bristling with guns..., they put the "battle" in "Battleship". Others may have prettier lines, but none look more purposefull.


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Mmmm...I can't make up my mind. Iowa is the more classic beauty, but there is something engaging about South Dakota's "stubbyness"...... either way, they both look purposeful sob's


Yes, Iowas lines are 'better'. SoDak, looks to be bristling with armament over a given square footage. More 'bristley', less refined.


OK, it seems the three of us agree.

Iowa= Princess at the ball.
South Dakota= Mean, nasty looking, would'nt want to meet in a dark ally.


Four of us now.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 4:13:52 AM   
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The SOUTH DAKOTA class. Short, squat, bristling with guns..., they put the "battle" in "Battleship". Others may have prettier lines, but none look more purposefull.


well ... +1 Remember the line from Master and Commander? Something like 'apply my name to something ****ly and hard to eradicate'. edit: Ooh that automated censor. **** referred (in five letters, not four) to something stinging or otherwise unpleasant.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 7:17:20 AM   
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We need classes for "light" battleships such as the Sharnhorst type, WWI vets such as Warspie, and the old US and Italian BBs that were rebuilt, and/or battle-cruisers such as the Alaska, Dunkerque, ect.
Warspite1

All in hand - there will be a competition for all the various classes of WWII ship. Oh and thanks for troubling to visit the thread to vote



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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 8:29:38 AM   
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Can I nominate HMS Vanguard, launched 1944?





Is that a paint job on her bow? Certainly effective in making you think it's something alse even at this close range.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 12:24:47 PM   
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We need classes for "light" battleships such as the Sharnhorst type, WWI vets such as Warspie, and the old US and Italian BBs that were rebuilt, and/or battle-cruisers such as the Alaska, Dunkerque, ect.
Warspite1

All in hand - there will be a competition for all the various classes of WWII ship. Oh and thanks for troubling to visit the thread to vote




Do I have to? Do I have to eat my peas too?

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 2:57:02 PM   
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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 2:59:24 PM   
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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 10:52:07 PM   
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I still think HMS Hood takes the prize in both the BB and BC arena...... she was a very handsome ship....
warspite1

Well I trust, when the time comes, that you will wander over to the Australian Beauties thread and vote for said perfect specimen!

I will be doing battlecruisers as the next competition.



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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/3/2012 11:00:15 PM   
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Those who though Iowa and Bismarck were home and dry need to take a look at the latest scoring!!!

Lady and Gents I urge you to get over to the AB thread and cast your vote if you want your voice heard!

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/4/2012 1:27:24 AM   
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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/4/2012 2:13:11 AM   
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I've always had a soft spot for the Kongo Class BBs/BCs. Not sure how you want to list them. Could go in either category. I just thought they were all around beautiful ships.

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/4/2012 4:18:19 AM   
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Don't forget my vote for Germany in Cat #1!


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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/4/2012 4:31:19 AM   
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Concur with that...

Don't forget my vote for Germany in Cat #1!

warspite1

If you want your vote to count just head over to the General Discussion thread - Australian Beauties thread and name your ship(s).

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/4/2012 4:36:15 AM   
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I've always had a soft spot for the Kongo Class BBs/BCs. Not sure how you want to list them. Could go in either category. I just thought they were all around beautiful ships.
warspite1

Interesting point.

The battlecruiser dept. is pretty small. I was thinking of adding the Dunkerque-class for a one-group competition:

HMS Hood
Alaska
Scharnhorst
Dunkerque

On the basis that the latter two are included, then the Kongo-class could be added too. Interested to hear thoughts on that before finalising that category.....

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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/4/2012 7:26:34 AM   
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RE: OT Beautiful Ships of WWII - 12/4/2012 8:33:38 AM   
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No Repulse or Renown?



yes... WHY?????? - oh... and if you write "HMS" Hood... then you should also put "KMS" in front of Scharnhorst ;)

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