Bonners
Posts: 486
Joined: 8/24/2012
From: Kinmel bay
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Reconvet
quote:
ORIGINAL: Bonners
... therefore the new units will be already quaking in their boots due to the losses their frontline comrades have received.
I think the spirits issue does need refining. I cant expand on it now, but will put my thoughts on it at the end of my game with Olivier (which may be quite soon).
Oh and the screenshot makes me very happy
After having thought about this some more I definitly see ever more justification for a quicker recovery of spirits. Reinforcements and replacements should be stepped up or at least not diminished because of one or two battles with bad rolls early on, as long as major troop contingents are inbound. Uranus is a totally different situation, can't be compared to Trappenjagd and CB. After all the new units (about 90% of the Italians in my example are not on the map yet) will be out for blood, totally motivated to take revenge for their brothers in arms who have fallen victim to the heathen onslaught. Wrong thinking? 
I personally think you're right and not right.
The way I see it is that what Vic is trying to construct in the game is the spirits of the regime in question. If the Italians only had one army on the front lines in May 1942 and the Germans left them on the front lines to take losses, would the Italian regime still be as keen to commit further forces to the battles on the Eastern Front. The reality was that they would not. Similar things happened to the Romanian and Hungarian troops; once the front line units took losses then the regimes became less committed to the Axis cause and started finding excuse for not sending their troops to the Eastern Front. Another aspect of this was the insistence of their troops being under armies controlled by the regime. Obviously this reached its inevitable conclusion in the border fighting in Romania in 1944 when OKH had very little say in even the disposition of the Romanian armies.
So in reality the minor Allies continued to send troops to the front lines, but they did not suffer the amount of losses that they can suffer in the Trappenjard campaign.
On the other hand, minor allies did continue to fight almost until the end, or at least until their regimes collapsed. Somewhat unreliably, but they were still armies that the Soviets had to account for. I cant remember the exact percentages, but a significant number of the Axis troops in the Crimea at the end were Romanian.
Just musing really, but I think the three regimes should be treated slightly differently. I still think that the Italians would have baulked at sending further armies into Russia if their troops were suffering significant losses in the Spring of 1942; it is a hypothetical question really as we cannot know for definite.
But the Hungarians and Romanians were more intimately involved having borders on the USSR and various territorial claims against each other. So even if the spirits of their front line armies collapsed they still were (reluctantly) willing to field further armies, although the usefulness of these armies grew less and less. Maybe a way to replicate that in the game would be to have the spirits of the frontline armies collapse? Or maybe rather than have the troops totally collapse maybe there could be some mechanism whereby they lose readiness and morale once spirits reach zero; which would mean that they are still on the map but pretty useless as frontline troops. That readiness and morale could gradually improve every turn the units are not in direct contact with the enemy.
I dont know really, but I'm just trying to think of ways around the spirits rule that would still see units of use even if their regime spirits had reached a low point, because historically, certainly from a Romanian and Hungarian perspective, their troops did fight on even when the regimes' faith in the war had collapsed.
I do like the idea of spirits though, my interpretation has always been that the spirit of minor nations is tied to the spirit of the regime in supporting the war though, not the spirits of the individual troops.
< Message edited by Bonners -- 12/12/2012 10:08:08 PM >
|
Printable Version
Minor Axis Allies spirit level question - 
New Messages
No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages
Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages
Locked w/o New Messages
Post New Thread