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Military Alphabet - 12/20/2002 8:32:21 PM   
maniacalmonkey


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I used to have a .txt file with the military alphabet in use during WWII around (ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE, DOG...), but it got shredded during a recent hard disk failure. Could someone please help me out? This alphabet is so much cooler than the NATO one :)

Thanks!

- Monkey

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When cities burn and armies turn,
and flee in disarray,
Cowards will cry 'tis best to fly
and fight another day,
But warriors know it in their marrow when they
die and fall,
It is better to have fought and lost than not have
fought at all.
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- 12/20/2002 9:55:48 PM   
Belisarius


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Baker
Charlie
Dog
Easy
Fox
George
How
Item
Jig
King
Love
Mike
Nan
Oboe
Peter
Queen
Roger
Sugar
Tear
Uncle
Victor
Whiskey
X-Ray
Yoke
Zebra


There you go. :) :cool: :) (3)

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- 12/20/2002 9:57:32 PM   
maniacalmonkey


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Status: offline 		Thanks :D ;)

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When cities burn and armies turn,
and flee in disarray,
Cowards will cry 'tis best to fly
and fight another day,
But warriors know it in their marrow when they
die and fall,
It is better to have fought and lost than not have
fought at all.

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- 12/20/2002 11:54:04 PM   
chief


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Status: offline 		One correction....William (WW2) vice Whiskey (NATO).

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- 12/21/2002 1:11:17 AM   
maniacalmonkey


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Status: offline 		Now that I think of it - shouldn't it be "Tare" instead of "Tear"? "Tare Green Beach" seems to ring a bell with me.

Hope they didn't confuse "William" and "Bill" on occasion :D

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When cities burn and armies turn,
and flee in disarray,
Cowards will cry 'tis best to fly
and fight another day,
But warriors know it in their marrow when they
die and fall,
It is better to have fought and lost than not have
fought at all.

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- 12/21/2002 1:54:13 AM   
chief


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Status: offline 		Good catch TARE is correct.

The reason they used William has to do with crutches/cribs etc. that were used to remember signal flags. ie: The William flag is a series of blue, red, white decreasing size squares and that was remembered by (old folks) us as "Williams Shaving Cream" it was their color scheme. Another crutch was a White X on a solid blue background, with a little imagination you could see 'Mike' the Irish cop directing traffic. Each flag had its (i wish I could remember the proper word) own crutch. Tare had the colors of France, the Tri-colors hence 'T' (for tri or Tare). Since most signal men already used this phonetic alaphabet it was a normal transition for Radio Operators to adapt. I know you really didn't want a complete disertation on this subject but you have it anyways.....;) :) :cool:

"BRING BACK SMILEYS"

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- 12/21/2002 1:58:13 AM   
Goblin


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Goblin;)

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- 12/21/2002 2:13:32 AM   
Jim1954

 

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;)

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- 12/21/2002 2:14:05 AM   
maniacalmonkey


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]I know you really didn't want a complete disertation on this subject but you have it anyways[/QUOTE]

Actually I always love this kind of background information. Tough break on your smilies, lads - I knew there was something missing since the last time I was here. Ah well, over at 1BC we have some (uhm) 1500 smilies, I'm sure you can borrow a few if you ask nicely :p

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When cities burn and armies turn,
and flee in disarray,
Cowards will cry 'tis best to fly
and fight another day,
But warriors know it in their marrow when they
die and fall,
It is better to have fought and lost than not have
fought at all.

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- 12/21/2002 2:17:03 AM   
chief


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Didn't know Goblins used this alphabet, learn something new each 24 hour period.

:rolleyes: :) :cool:

"Bring Back Smileys"

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- 12/21/2002 2:20:14 AM   
Goblin


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Alphabet?!? I was looking for pictures....:D I never have any luck....


Goblin:p

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- 12/21/2002 2:24:24 AM   
chief


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Status: offline 		Jim 1954: The proper word is not 'clock'. I prefer we build a 'CHRONOMETER'. We must keep up with the [U]times.[/U] ;) :cool:

BBS=Bring back smileys

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- 12/21/2002 2:26:56 AM   
Jim1954

 

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Status: offline 		Sorry chief, been away from SPWAW too long... you know all that X-mas cheer and all that. Slipping back into civilian mode by mistake. Better hit the game again afore it's too late.

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- 12/21/2002 8:46:57 AM   
Belisarius


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by chief
[B]Good catch TARE is correct.

The reason they used William has to do with crutches/cribs etc. that were used to remember signal flags. ie: The William flag is a series of blue, red, white decreasing size squares and that was remembered by (old folks) us as "Williams Shaving Cream" it was their color scheme. Another crutch was a White X on a solid blue background, with a little imagination you could see 'Mike' the Irish cop directing traffic. Each flag had its (i wish I could remember the proper word) own crutch. Tare had the colors of France, the Tri-colors hence 'T' (for tri or Tare). Since most signal men already used this phonetic alaphabet it was a normal transition for Radio Operators to adapt. I know you really didn't want a complete disertation on this subject but you have it anyways.....

"BRING BACK SMILEYS" [/B][/QUOTE]

Still, was that the OFFICIAL letters? What you describe, Chief, seems to be adaptations due to familiarity to older flags. I, for one, can't think of that as a reason to not implement the new calls. :confused:

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- 12/21/2002 9:42:58 AM   
Bing

 

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Status: offline 		Chief - Don't worry about presenting significant information. There are people who can read and write who appreciate the background info. Not everything in this life can be expressed via a grunt.

Now, if you can tell us why the RN signalling was so miserable at Jutland ...

Bing

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I'm just hoping Goblin... - 12/21/2002 11:17:07 AM   
Orzel Bialy


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[B]G[/B]eorge
[B]O[/B]boe
[B]Baker
[B]L[/B]ove
[B]I[/B]tem
[B]N[/B]an

:p (x5)
:D (x5)

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- 12/21/2002 12:27:20 PM   
chief


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Status: offline 		BEL>>>>the flags used for signaling haven't changed only the alaphabet (as spoken) the new (NATO) names are in use. I was only trying to clear up why William was called William in WW2. I could have used the discription of Fox Flag, a red diamond on blue field, memory aid was baseball diamond and on the diamond a great old ball player Jimmy FOX...see a diamond see FOX...Most modern signalmen still use the crutch but change the name when reading a flag hoist. (I didn't use fox since you younger fellars wouldn't have associated with Jimmy FOX). All signal flags have a double meaning other than its name. ie: Baker (all red burgee, fish tail, pennant, when flown solo, meant the smoking lamp was out due to explosives or fuel being taken or remove from ship.:) :cool:

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- 12/21/2002 12:31:16 PM   
chief


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Status: offline 		Just a quick question.....whats the ww2 name for a black and white checkered flag used an the end of a auto race?

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- 12/21/2002 12:31:20 PM   
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Goblin:)

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- 12/21/2002 5:15:43 PM   
Belisarius


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by chief
[B]BEL>>>>the flags used for signaling haven't changed only the alaphabet (as spoken) the new (NATO) names are in use. I was only trying to clear up why William was called William in WW2. I could have used the discription of Fox Flag, a red diamond on blue field, memory aid was baseball diamond and on the diamond a great old ball player Jimmy FOX...see a diamond see FOX...Most modern signalmen still use the crutch but change the name when reading a flag hoist. (I didn't use fox since you younger fellars wouldn't have associated with Jimmy FOX). All signal flags have a double meaning other than its name. ie: Baker (all red burgee, fish tail, pennant, when flown solo, meant the smoking lamp was out due to explosives or fuel being taken or remove from ship.:) :cool: [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh.. I see. That makes sense. Thanks chief! :D

Baker Easy Love signing off. Heh heh.

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- 12/22/2002 1:05:34 AM   
chief


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Status: offline 		BEL.....roger dodger from this old codger, over under and out.:D :) :cool:

BBS supporter.

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- 12/22/2002 3:08:28 AM   
Irinami

 

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Status: offline 		Look in: [URL=http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/21-75/Ch7.htm]FM-21-75, Chapter 7[/URL] for the Phonetic Alphabet. That's the current one in use by U.S. Army.

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