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maniacalmonkey -> Military Alphabet (12/20/2002 8:32:21 PM)

Hi guys,

I used to have a .txt file with the military alphabet in use during WWII around (ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE, DOG...), but it got shredded during a recent hard disk failure. Could someone please help me out? This alphabet is so much cooler than the NATO one :)

Thanks!

- Monkey




Belisarius -> (12/20/2002 9:55:48 PM)

Able
Baker
Charlie
Dog
Easy
Fox
George
How
Item
Jig
King
Love
Mike
Nan
Oboe
Peter
Queen
Roger
Sugar
Tear
Uncle
Victor
Whiskey
X-Ray
Yoke
Zebra


There you go. :) :cool: :) (3)




maniacalmonkey -> (12/20/2002 9:57:32 PM)

Thanks :D ;)




chief -> (12/20/2002 11:54:04 PM)

One correction....William (WW2) vice Whiskey (NATO).




maniacalmonkey -> (12/21/2002 1:11:17 AM)

Now that I think of it - shouldn't it be "Tare" instead of "Tear"? "Tare Green Beach" seems to ring a bell with me.

Hope they didn't confuse "William" and "Bill" on occasion :D




chief -> (12/21/2002 1:54:13 AM)

Good catch TARE is correct.

The reason they used William has to do with crutches/cribs etc. that were used to remember signal flags. ie: The William flag is a series of blue, red, white decreasing size squares and that was remembered by (old folks) us as "Williams Shaving Cream" it was their color scheme. Another crutch was a White X on a solid blue background, with a little imagination you could see 'Mike' the Irish cop directing traffic. Each flag had its (i wish I could remember the proper word) own crutch. Tare had the colors of France, the Tri-colors hence 'T' (for tri or Tare). Since most signal men already used this phonetic alaphabet it was a normal transition for Radio Operators to adapt. I know you really didn't want a complete disertation on this subject but you have it anyways.....;) :) :cool:

"BRING BACK SMILEYS"




Goblin -> (12/21/2002 1:58:13 AM)

:eek:


Goblin;)




Jim1954 -> (12/21/2002 2:13:32 AM)

Ask Ol' Chief what time it and he'll tell you how to build a clock. lol

;)




maniacalmonkey -> (12/21/2002 2:14:05 AM)

[QUOTE]I know you really didn't want a complete disertation on this subject but you have it anyways[/QUOTE]

Actually I always love this kind of background information. Tough break on your smilies, lads - I knew there was something missing since the last time I was here. Ah well, over at 1BC we have some (uhm) 1500 smilies, I'm sure you can borrow a few if you ask nicely :p




chief -> (12/21/2002 2:17:03 AM)

[SIZE=3]"HI GOB"[/SIZE]

Didn't know Goblins used this alphabet, learn something new each 24 hour period.

:rolleyes: :) :cool:

"Bring Back Smileys"




Goblin -> (12/21/2002 2:20:14 AM)

[COLOR=seagreen]Heya Chief![/COLOR]


Alphabet?!? I was looking for pictures....:D I never have any luck....


Goblin:p




chief -> (12/21/2002 2:24:24 AM)

Jim 1954: The proper word is not 'clock'. I prefer we build a 'CHRONOMETER'. We must keep up with the [U]times.[/U] ;) :cool:

BBS=Bring back smileys




Jim1954 -> (12/21/2002 2:26:56 AM)

Sorry chief, been away from SPWAW too long... you know all that X-mas cheer and all that. Slipping back into civilian mode by mistake. Better hit the game again afore it's too late.

:eek: :eek:




Belisarius -> (12/21/2002 8:46:57 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chief
[B]Good catch TARE is correct.

The reason they used William has to do with crutches/cribs etc. that were used to remember signal flags. ie: The William flag is a series of blue, red, white decreasing size squares and that was remembered by (old folks) us as "Williams Shaving Cream" it was their color scheme. Another crutch was a White X on a solid blue background, with a little imagination you could see 'Mike' the Irish cop directing traffic. Each flag had its (i wish I could remember the proper word) own crutch. Tare had the colors of France, the Tri-colors hence 'T' (for tri or Tare). Since most signal men already used this phonetic alaphabet it was a normal transition for Radio Operators to adapt. I know you really didn't want a complete disertation on this subject but you have it anyways.....

"BRING BACK SMILEYS" [/B][/QUOTE]

Still, was that the OFFICIAL letters? What you describe, Chief, seems to be adaptations due to familiarity to older flags. I, for one, can't think of that as a reason to not implement the new calls. :confused:




Bing -> (12/21/2002 9:42:58 AM)

Chief - Don't worry about presenting significant information. There are people who can read and write who appreciate the background info. Not everything in this life can be expressed via a grunt.

Now, if you can tell us why the RN signalling was so miserable at Jutland ...

Bing




Orzel Bialy -> I'm just hoping Goblin... (12/21/2002 11:17:07 AM)

doesn't get carried away and start insisting everyone address him as:

[B]G[/B]eorge
[B]O[/B]boe
[B]Baker
[B]L[/B]ove
[B]I[/B]tem
[B]N[/B]an

:p (x5)
:D (x5)




chief -> (12/21/2002 12:27:20 PM)

BEL>>>>the flags used for signaling haven't changed only the alaphabet (as spoken) the new (NATO) names are in use. I was only trying to clear up why William was called William in WW2. I could have used the discription of Fox Flag, a red diamond on blue field, memory aid was baseball diamond and on the diamond a great old ball player Jimmy FOX...see a diamond see FOX...Most modern signalmen still use the crutch but change the name when reading a flag hoist. (I didn't use fox since you younger fellars wouldn't have associated with Jimmy FOX). All signal flags have a double meaning other than its name. ie: Baker (all red burgee, fish tail, pennant, when flown solo, meant the smoking lamp was out due to explosives or fuel being taken or remove from ship.:) :cool:




chief -> (12/21/2002 12:31:16 PM)

Just a quick question.....whats the ww2 name for a black and white checkered flag used an the end of a auto race?




Goblin -> (12/21/2002 12:31:20 PM)

:eek: :eek:

Goblin:)




Belisarius -> (12/21/2002 5:15:43 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chief
[B]BEL>>>>the flags used for signaling haven't changed only the alaphabet (as spoken) the new (NATO) names are in use. I was only trying to clear up why William was called William in WW2. I could have used the discription of Fox Flag, a red diamond on blue field, memory aid was baseball diamond and on the diamond a great old ball player Jimmy FOX...see a diamond see FOX...Most modern signalmen still use the crutch but change the name when reading a flag hoist. (I didn't use fox since you younger fellars wouldn't have associated with Jimmy FOX). All signal flags have a double meaning other than its name. ie: Baker (all red burgee, fish tail, pennant, when flown solo, meant the smoking lamp was out due to explosives or fuel being taken or remove from ship.:) :cool: [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh.. I see. That makes sense. Thanks chief! :D

Baker Easy Love signing off. Heh heh.




chief -> (12/22/2002 1:05:34 AM)

BEL.....roger dodger from this old codger, over under and out.:D :) :cool:

BBS supporter.




Irinami -> (12/22/2002 3:08:28 AM)

Look in: [URL=http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/21-75/Ch7.htm]FM-21-75, Chapter 7[/URL] for the Phonetic Alphabet. That's the current one in use by U.S. Army.




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