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I agree that guy would have relinguished his health if he walked into my house in that manner.
but there are states with retreat laws also which my hypothetical guest would have resided in

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ORIGINAL: parusski

Those who say the second amendment is about "hunting" show their ignorance of our bill of rights.

George Mason, father of the American Bill of Rights:
1. "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
2. "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials."

Patrick Henry:
1. "The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
2. "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

And of course from the man himself--GEORGE WASHINGTON:
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

Okay you people who say the founders did not intend that everyone have a gun, how the hell do you get around the above quotes???

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ORIGINAL: parusski

Those who say the second amendment is about "hunting" show their ignorance of our bill of rights.

George Mason, father of the American Bill of Rights:
1. "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
2. "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials."

Patrick Henry:
1. "The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
2. "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

And of course from the man himself--GEORGE WASHINGTON:
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

Okay you people who say the founders did not intend that everyone have a gun, how the hell do you get around the above quotes???

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ORIGINAL: barkorn45

Well said but you forget they were a bunch of old white slave owning fuddie duddies who could not have forseen the
"kinder gentler"nation we live in now.
you know the one that created the 2 teens that broke into a elderly couples home a few years back.
they tied them up in kitchen chairs,turned them so they were facing each other then cut their throats and then sat drinking a 6 pack of beer while the couple watched each other die.
of course the couple were unarmed

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ORIGINAL: parusski

Those who say the second amendment is about "hunting" show their ignorance of our bill of rights.

George Mason, father of the American Bill of Rights:
1. "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
2. "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials."

Patrick Henry:
1. "The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
2. "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

And of course from the man himself--GEORGE WASHINGTON:
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

Okay you people who say the founders did not intend that everyone have a gun, how the hell do you get around the above quotes???

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ORIGINAL: barkorn45

not prophets?at the ratification of the constitution patrick henry was asked by the governor of virginia if virginia could leave the union once it was formed
Henry said you certainly could but be warned that some future president may invade your country and burn down your homes.
sounds pretty prophetic given what happened 71 years later!
also people need to remember that the constitution does'nt grant us rights it clarifies the rights we are endowed with naturally as human beings
and that which the government CANNOT interfere with or infringe!
the founders may not have been gods but i wish our current politicions had more of their intelligence and backbone{and please stop with the slave owner c**p that criticism is interposing our beliefs on a culture of 200 years ago and is stupid and a waste of time.

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ORIGINAL: barkorn45

was using wry humor sorry if you miss understood forget to use a smiley face or whatever read one of my early post about stopping the use of the slave owner c**p
I guess what i meant was that the statement that the prescense of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference applies to acts other than governmental as well

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The current "geniuses of smart" could not hold a candle to the enlightened intellect of the founding fathers.

The smaller the government, the bigger the people. The bigger the government and we become the "sheepeople".

RR

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ORIGINAL: parusski

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The current "geniuses of smart" could not hold a candle to the enlightened intellect of the founding fathers.

The smaller the government, the bigger the people. The bigger the government and we become the "sheepeople".

RR

BEEP BEEP. Amen, I long for smaller government. But then liberals would have nothing to worship, would they?

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ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine

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ORIGINAL: parusski

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The current "geniuses of smart" could not hold a candle to the enlightened intellect of the founding fathers.

The smaller the government, the bigger the people. The bigger the government and we become the "sheepeople".

RR

BEEP BEEP. Amen, I long for smaller government. But then liberals would have nothing to worship, would they?

The thread has been a pretty solid paragon of reasoned discussion. Let's not start with sweeping generalisations and the resulting degeneration.

Cheers

Pip

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All the Supreme Court and any lawmaker has to do is read the arguments for and against each article in the constitution and they will know exactly what the founding fathers meant.

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ORIGINAL: parusski

2ndACR penned:

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All the Supreme Court and any lawmaker has to do is read the arguments for and against each article in the constitution and they will know exactly what the founding fathers meant.

Well, that seems to be the problem. Lawmakers, and those I can't mention, seem to have no ability to understand what the founders meant.

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ORIGINAL: parusski

That was not sweeping, it was a baseball bat I used to hit the truth. But I will not do that again.

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ORIGINAL: Qwixt

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ORIGINAL: parusski

That was not sweeping, it was a baseball bat I used to hit the truth. But I will not do that again.

Actually, it's just more propagating the stupidity of today's binary world. Where simpletons cannot fathom shades of grey. You're either liberal or conservative, and no ground in between. Makes things real simple for the "geniuses".

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ORIGINAL: Natali

I remember reading about the Swiss having a lot of people (militia?) with military assault rifles in the closet and they were expected to be good to go as soon as they were notified. Don't recall too many Swiss elementary schools getting shot up by Swiss.

Also remember this picture of an Israeli girl, in a bar on the beach, in a bikini, with a beautiful posterior, and a Uzi hanging in front of it. Don't recall too many Israeli elementary schools getting shot up by Israelis.

Probably the most restrictive gun ownership countries in the world are in the Baltic, but didn't some whacko go to some island and kill a bunch of kids in Sweden?

Protection of gun ownership is fundamental. It's not really "gun" ownership, it's the ownership of weapons with the ability to confront and overcome a tyranical "perp", whether the perp is an Islamist, a gang banger, a deranged lunitic, or an over-reaching government. It is only the government that is afraid of citizens having weapons. Well that's not exactly true, just ask the Crips what happened when they tried to take control of Laughlin.

Sami

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1
It was Norway

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Posted on January 11, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Updated yesterday at 9:46 PM


HOUSTON -- A couple of strangers came to the rescue when a man was robbed at gunpoint. Now, the victim wants to say thank you to the Good Samaritans.

Police believe the criminal who was canvassing a neighborhood in the 2500 block of Wichita near Hermann Park had no idea what he was in for when he picked his target.

The victim in this case had just walked back to his car from a bar around the corner.

Kevin Dorsey says he hadn’t even closed his car door Thursday night when a man wearing all black and a ski mask put a gun to his chest. The man took Dorsey’s wallet, cell phone and car keys.

After he was robbed, Dorsey began running down the street and says two men in a Mercedes asked him what had happened.

Dorsey told them and they not only caught up with the suspect, but they started shooting at him.

The suspect fired back. In the end, the two witnesses turned vigilantes won and took down the bad guy.

“I don’t believe in guns,” said Dorsey. “I don’t own a gun. I’m totally at the mercy of my saviors. They obviously sent two angels to help me. These people protected me when I couldn’t protect myself.”

After the robber had been shot, police say he jumped over a fence and was attacked by a German Shepherd. That attack prevented him from getting away.

The suspect, identified as Christopher Hutchins, is being treated at Ben Taub Hospital. He’s expected to recover.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1
It was Norway

I am so sorry. Oftentimes Americans just don't know one country from another. For that, I am truly sorry.

[ed] but does Norway v Sweden in some way inform in the premis?

Sami.

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ORIGINAL: Qwixt

That's has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment or bill of rights, and is about people not being able to handle the results of the Presidential election. Just look at the states. The petitions were started immediately after the election.