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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/16/2013 5:05:25 PM

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Both airfield and port can be over-built by 3 levels (so a 4 could build to a 7). Construction gets progressively more difficult (takes more engineer-time and therefore supplies) as a port or airfield gets larger. IIRC there is another parameter that appears in the editor (scenario files) concerning the difficulty of building at the site in question. Presumably (but I don't know) the terrain affects the difficulty of building, and the 'difficulty' parameter influences the effort required to build. AFAIK that difficulty parameter is not displayed in-game.

Interesting! I checked The scenario editor and I did not see any parameters on any of the locations besides where troops begin the game for a particular scenario ...Maybe this information is a part of the 'pwhex' file? I used an old editor and did not find any parameters indicating "difficulty of build" .. I would assume terrain alters the code somehow but that would be speculating ..

Anyway the Allies get those huge engineering units and they build stuff like lightning anyway

OK, I looked at the editor and in a CSV file of a scenario, and I can not find any 'difficulty' parameter for bases. I must have misinterpreted one of the other fields.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/16/2013 5:07:07 PM

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I also looked in the pwhex editor, and similarly could not identify any 'difficulty' parameter.

BTW, there is a parameter for amphibious landings, where you can prohibit amphibious landings in a hex.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/16/2013 5:11:16 PM

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The mind boggles at the effort it took to make the AE map.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/16/2013 6:00:08 PM

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OK I looked it up in the Sceanrio 2 starting OOB (first time I ever looked at the Japanese side).

Ishigaki and Taihoku have static fortresses. The one at Taihoku has some pretty nasty 28 cm guns.

Maybe just Batan Is. (existing level 2) then Iriomote and Miyako-jima.

We would need something of level 5 or greater to suppress the airfields on Formosa (perhaps Altimonan on Luzon)

Taihoku has 280mm howitzers .. how bad could they be compared to trebouchet slinging a big wooden trojan rabbitts?

I can say that with the recent changes to ground based flak that those 75mm AA guns are deadly .. range 25,000 feet effect 15 .. not quite the same impact as the 88L71's on Truk, but they will take their toll as long as they have supplies ... I now propose avoiding the static fortresses with the big AA guns ..

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/16/2013 11:02:05 PM

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I also looked in the pwhex editor, and similarly could not identify any 'difficulty' parameter.

BTW, there is a parameter for amphibious landings, where you can prohibit amphibious landings in a hex.

If it exists I would suspect it would be hard coded based on the hex terrain type. I have not heard any mention that base build 'difficulty' can be customised.

Edit: How do you prove the negative??

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/16/2013 11:09:44 PM

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I also looked in the pwhex editor, and similarly could not identify any 'difficulty' parameter.

BTW, there is a parameter for amphibious landings, where you can prohibit amphibious landings in a hex.

If it exists I would suspect it would be hard coded based on the hex terrain type. I have not heard any mention that base build 'difficulty' can be customised.

Edit: How do you prove the negative??

In this case you can - it was only my memory that I saw such in the editor (one time when I was in there looking for something else). If it is not there now, in the very same editor, then clearly I just misinterpreted something.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/16/2013 11:11:13 PM

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I should add, that I do presume that terrain has an effect on the difficulty of base construction. It only makes sense, so I hold it as a working presumption if/until a developer looks at the code and says otherwise.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/16/2013 11:21:29 PM

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Arguably, it is the airfield size limit itself that compensates for difficult terrain.

Except for very small atolls, it isn't the physcial size of an island that limits airfield size. It's the suitable terrain.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/17/2013 2:29:28 AM

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Was it designed to penetrate before going off?

Yep.

the Grand Slam would reach near-supersonic speed, approaching 320 m/s, and penetrate deep underground, with the explosion causing a camouflet (cavern) and shifting the ground to undermine a target's foundation.

You used 'camouflet' in a sentence!

Here I thought it was a dish served in an Algerian steak house.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/17/2013 2:30:39 AM

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OK, I'll bite. European Swallows?

Have to be a small bite. There's not much meat on those things.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/17/2013 2:34:31 AM

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We would need something of level 5 or greater to suppress the airfields on Formosa (perhaps Altimonan on Luzon)

Dude-what's wrong with all the myriad bases on Luzon that can be built to >5? You'll have enough there to potato patch all Jap airfields within 8 hexes.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/17/2013 2:44:10 AM

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Why not take Okinawa instead of these lesser northern PI islands? More VP's etc

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/17/2013 4:48:12 AM

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I suspect we will never reach April '44 and will never see a B-29

I just hit 3/45 in my game (eat your hearts out AFBs) and am now producing the P47N. This plane is a monster. 460 MPH and 16 hex normal range with drop tanks. Throw in a couple of thousand pounders and blamo.. I might just retire my B25s. With this mighty "fist of heaven" I will smite down mine enemies in a most biblical manner, and may God have mercy on their poor souls.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/17/2013 4:43:52 PM

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I suspect we will never reach April '44 and will never see a B-29

I just hit 3/45 in my game (eat your hearts out AFBs) and am now producing the P47N. This plane is a monster. 460 MPH and 16 hex normal range with drop tanks. Throw in a couple of thousand pounders and blamo.. I might just retire my B25s. With this mighty "fist of heaven" I will smite down mine enemies in a most biblical manner, and may God have mercy on their poor souls.

The range of a B-17 with twice the speed....drools.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/17/2013 4:49:20 PM

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Why not take Okinawa instead of these lesser northern PI islands? More VP's etc

Yes, Naha is an obvious target but I expect there willl LYB's there. It will require 50 days of prep and a serious carrier force.

We still have only Wasp and CVE's in theater. Not really going for VP's at this pt, but the jugular instead.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/17/2013 4:51:15 PM

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We would need something of level 5 or greater to suppress the airfields on Formosa (perhaps Altimonan on Luzon)

Dude-what's wrong with all the myriad bases on Luzon that can be built to >5? You'll have enough there to potato patch all Jap airfields within 8 hexes.

I am assuming that we capture Altimonan and JJ puts up a fight at Manira. The crazy baaahstards don't give up easy on the ground.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/17/2013 5:18:27 PM

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I suspect we will never reach April '44 and will never see a B-29

I just hit 3/45 in my game (eat your hearts out AFBs) and am now producing the P47N. This plane is a monster. 460 MPH and 16 hex normal range with drop tanks. Throw in a couple of thousand pounders and blamo.. I might just retire my B25s. With this mighty "fist of heaven" I will smite down mine enemies in a most biblical manner, and may God have mercy on their poor souls.

I had to look at the datasheet to get an idea .. basically this plane carries 2 300 gallon drop tanks and 2 1000 pound bombs. Range is only limited if ones base in the yellow or red ..

otherwise no real penality for the drop tanks ... I would still keep the B25's as they take bomber pilots and the P47's are consuming your fighter trained assests ... or are you suggesting that it is worth the experience penality to switch pilots over? One thing for me [if I ever got a game this far] would be to find my P39 LowNav trained pilots and sit them in these beasts ... kind of changes my strategy of Palawin->Cam Rahn Bay as Cam Rahn Bay could be reached from Taytay by the P47N although 3/45 is pretty late for cutting off the DEI ... Maybe a better application is out of Formosa interdicting the East China Sea by this date?

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/18/2013 5:06:48 PM

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Either way... your troops are going to need be in the highest morale state pre-invasion.

I saw this in the store the other night... I immediately thought of the Simpson's episode after other thoughts.

You can have Mt Dew or Clam Juice...
Ack..I'll have Clam Juice...

And yes, that is my lovely hand in the picture.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/18/2013 5:16:23 PM

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Fair enough on going for the jugular islands now and VP's later. You are quite far ahead on the timetable anyway so you can totally throttle the sea lanes and then prep for the high vp bases at your leisure. Has your opponent vowed to fight to the end or will this end once Japan is basically blockaded?

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/19/2013 9:59:31 PM

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Bump ..

What in the heck is happening to this AAR? There has not been a meaningful turn in 4 days? I am waiting for the Ramree Island assault ..

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/19/2013 10:07:46 PM

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Bump ..

What in the heck is happening to this AAR?

Bad clam juice...

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/19/2013 10:45:55 PM

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Bump ..

What in the heck is happening to this AAR? There has not been a meaningful turn in 4 days? I am waiting for the Ramree Island assault ..

It SEEMED like there was no meaningful turn for 4 days beause there WAS no meaningful turn for 4 days.

I think it was the Comanche what got to Admirar Rod Nerson. He was probabry trying to sew back on hair.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/19/2013 10:52:09 PM

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It might also have been he was forced to eat some of Senator Elizabeth "Cherokee Sistah" Warren's Indian family lobster recipe.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/19/2013 10:53:26 PM

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Here is the salient question. Will there be white smoke first at Ramree or at Legaspi?

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/19/2013 10:58:58 PM

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*********PI Pranning**********

Luzon: Legaspi fell to a Marine para coy. JJ left hardly any suppries, so I scaled back the landing at Legaspi for this turn. Just some tanks and engieers by LCT/LST. APD's will attempt to deliver supplies and C-47's from Cagayan are flying in Aussie aviation engineers. RCAF Hurris, USMC Corsairs and USAAF P-39's will attempt to provide air cover.

LYB carriers are STILL loitering NE of Taytay. Those guys do NOT learn. Wasp and the CVE's are crossing the gap from Sulawese to Manado today.

Joro: I discovered that ALL of the Aviation support troops at Joro were at 99% fatigue.

No wonder nothing was getting done. I consider that a staff failure, pure and simple. How the Hell am I supposed to know about things like that all the way from Tahiti?

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/19/2013 11:45:19 PM

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Joro: I discovered that ALL of the Aviation support troops at Joro were at 99% fatigue. No wonder nothing was getting done. I consider that a staff failure, pure and simple. How the Hell am I supposed to know about things like that all the way from Tahiti?

Wow! I would be asking if Milo has been around soliciting union dues ... this kind of thing could spread if you do not nip it in the bud Cap'

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/20/2013 8:03:56 AM

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******Burma Ops******

The heavy bombers will pay their first visit to Rangoon airfield to day.

The Vengeances will attack Manadalay

The invasion forces have rendezvoused on the B of Bay (an innovative navigational methodoly I must admit but it works) and will begin their run-in to the landing sites today. It's 13 hexes away (not sure if that's metric or imperial but there you go).

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/20/2013 1:41:27 PM

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I think JJ is a bit miffed.

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/20/2013 2:41:08 PM

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I think JJ is a bit miffed.

Is that your spidey sense that tells you that?

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RE: How could anything Sorong... be so right? - 3/20/2013 2:49:30 PM

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*********************March 24, 1943(c)*******************

A rough day for the Zulu warriors sent out to test enemy strength..

Legaspi (Luzon): OH NOOOOO! It's *#($(#$ Kuma! This is the fast transport taffy derivering suppries. Could have been worse if they got in among the LCT's. Foxhound actually puts a couple of rounds into Kuma's bridge. A good ouctome for us.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Legaspi at 82,82, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kuma, Shell hits 2
DD Shigure

Allied Ships
APD Alden, Shell hits 1
APD Ward, Shell hits 1
DE Foxhound
APD Stringham

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