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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 9:01:23 AM   
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SWPac: Things are beginning to pop. First, the vast array of Allied TFs moves north of Rockhampton without opposition, though many of the TFs report detection. LRCAP from land-based fighters will be thinner until drawing within range of Townsville in two days. No sign of KB or combat ships. Enemy paratroops take vacant Lord Howe Island (which had a some PBYs and an AVP). This would have been a catastrophe two or three days back, but Lord Howe is now far, far to the rear of my ships - Koumac is considerably closer - so this doesn't increase John's "snoping" abilities. Back-to-back email comments from John: "Pretty exciting Sir!" and "Watching and Looking..." He knows I'm coming. His patrols also get a whiff of several of the "feint" TFs off Esperance, but I doubt he'll fall for that at this late date.

Bay of Bengal: Modest enemy air raids vs. Ramree are largely ineffective due to CAP.

Burma: Quiet as the two sides continue to shift and prepare for the next round of action. BB Resolution to depart Chittagong tonight. She has llight/moderate engine damage incurred in the Second Battle of Assam.

92/29/+1/24

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 9:09:59 AM   
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11/5/42

92/29/+1/24



Still don't get Dan's math

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 2:21:25 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 2:53:06 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 2:56:38 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 5:03:50 PM   
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SWPac Today: The popping sounds you hear are the conversion of mighty forces in the Coral Sea. The Allied amphibious armada, including carriers and combat TFs, was not molested other than patrols. I don't think John has gotten any detection yet on the flattops or major combattants. Enemy raiding TFs pick off a bunch of my picket ships - two xAKL and DD Sands downed. A strong line of enemy subs just outside the Great Barrier Reef picks off an AM and jousts with an xAK. The KB - or a major subdivision - is three hexes SW (true) of Koumac. Patrols reoprt a TF comprised of 6 CV, 2 CVL (36 F, 33 B, 11 A). IJA paratroops take vacant Norfolk Island. An enemy TF of some is nearing Cairns/Townsville. Over on the west coast, enemy patrols pick up the feint amphibious armada that's off Geraldton.

SWPac Tomorrow: I'm breathing a sigh of relief as tomorrow my ships will draw close to Townsville, where there will be a multitude of LRCAP. Also loaded up nearby airfields with bombers. I don't think John will spring the KB yet, given the LRCAP threat. D-Day is roughly five or six days off, depending on what opposition I face in coming days. I really, really, really like having the KB down around New Caledonia rather than right in my face.

Bay of Bengal: Very quiet. Ineffective raids against Ramree airfield do slight damage.

Burma: Still quiet. I'm counting the days until I can throw 18th UK Div. into the fray.

91/24/+2/21

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 5:41:34 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 6:45:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		The die is cast. The Allies are moving forward. A big fight will take place. The first beach will be hit in 5 or 6 days.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 6:54:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The die is cast. The Allies are moving forward. A big fight will take place. The first beach will be hit in 5 or 6 days.


Hurrah!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 6:55:14 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 6:59:27 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 11:14:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		My email to John: "Send text combat report as soon as its available. Have no idea what might happen this turn, but juding by your emails, something's up."

His reply to me: "Some thing is up with ME??!! How about that armada OF YOURS slowing working its way up the coast of Kangarooland!??...This will be fun, crazy, and plan to drink heavily once it begins..."

You think he's waiting for me? Thing is, I don't think he knows what all is coming up the coast to hammer away at the enemy. :)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 11:27:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whatever comes of all this, it will be great fun to watch. Hats off to you and John for providing the peanut gallery with a great game.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 11:29:14 PM   
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My email to John: "Send text combat report as soon as its available. Have no idea what might happen this turn, but juding by your emails, something's up."

His reply to me: "Some thing is up with ME??!! How about that armada OF YOURS slowing working its way up the coast of Kangarooland!??...This will be fun, crazy, and plan to drink heavily once it begins..."

You think he's waiting for me? Thing is, I don't think he knows what all is coming up the coast to hammer away at the enemy. :)

Everybody gets what they want. You wanted this. John wanted this. You both think you have it all figured out. We shall see whom he gods of war smile upon. Everybody gets what they want.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 11:29:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree. Popcorn all around, just like Burma. I see Canoe's real strategy all too clearly: he's opening a second front in the thread post count war with greyjoy by dangling all his invasion fleet in Japanese view for so long :)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 11:35:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

My email to John: "Send text combat report as soon as its available. Have no idea what might happen this turn, but juding by your emails, something's up."

His reply to me: "Some thing is up with ME??!! How about that armada OF YOURS slowing working its way up the coast of Kangarooland!??...This will be fun, crazy, and plan to drink heavily once it begins..."

You think he's waiting for me? Thing is, I don't think he knows what all is coming up the coast to hammer away at the enemy. :)


Can I please play someone who tells me what they're going to do before they do it?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 11:42:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		CR, the KB sighting worries me. My earlier spidey sense tingle is now a disturbing facial twitch. If it's only part of KB, you may well still be ok. If he's got most of the Pearl Harbor six here, and a bunch of LBA, look out.

My real main concern is that John knows where you are and you don't fully know where he is. In my experience, an ISR and DL advantage is one key factor in the outcome of AE CV battles.

You could well still win this, and I'm not predicting doom. But IMHO the risk of the Op went up several notches with the KB sighting. If he still has 5 or 6 days to get into position, that's plenty of time.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 11:48:17 PM   
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My real main concern is that John knows where you are and you don't fully know where he is.


Gentlemen,

A reminder about OPSEC please. CR doesn't know what he doesn't know. What he doesn't 'fully' know should not be reiterated. As far as he's concerned, he fully knows what he fully knows.

God, I sound like Rumsfeld.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 11:49:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

My email to John: "Send text combat report as soon as its available. Have no idea what might happen this turn, but juding by your emails, something's up."

His reply to me: "Some thing is up with ME??!! How about that armada OF YOURS slowing working its way up the coast of Kangarooland!??...This will be fun, crazy, and plan to drink heavily once it begins..."

You think he's waiting for me? Thing is, I don't think he knows what all is coming up the coast to hammer away at the enemy. :)


Can I please play someone who tells me what they're going to do before they do it?


Alright, Obvert. I'll play you and kick your heiney. There.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/19/2013 11:53:33 PM   
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Everybody gets what they want.


You can't always get what you want. Sometimes you get what you need.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 6:29:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Definitely watch out for LBA especially because he knows something is up (not from reading the AAR but from his response you posted of course). Give a Japanese player that much time to assemble planes and he'll make you pay unless you have unquestionable air superiority or he get unlucky with coordination. Personally I think that Nov 1942 is too early to launch a direct attack in the SWPac because you lack the CVE to protect the amphibious task force properly and you. Lastly, I don't see why LRCAP would really deter a KB attack. Isn't there a significant coordination penalty over CTF for LRCAP? I love this AAR and I would hate to see it turn boring after a combined LBA and KB attack smashes through your LRCAP and CVs...good luck.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 7:06:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

My email to John: "Send text combat report as soon as its available. Have no idea what might happen this turn, but juding by your emails, something's up."

His reply to me: "Some thing is up with ME??!! How about that armada OF YOURS slowing working its way up the coast of Kangarooland!??...This will be fun, crazy, and plan to drink heavily once it begins..."

You think he's waiting for me? Thing is, I don't think he knows what all is coming up the coast to hammer away at the enemy. :)


Can I please play someone who tells me what they're going to do before they do it?


Alright, Obvert. I'll play you and kick your heiney. There.


How about a start in about 2-3 months. I'll play Allies, which I've been dying to do. You can pick any Scenario you want. Now that I know what you're going to do this should be easy!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 7:10:52 AM   
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Definitely watch out for LBA especially because he knows something is up (not from reading the AAR but from his response you posted of course). Give a Japanese player that much time to assemble planes and he'll make you pay unless you have unquestionable air superiority or he get unlucky with coordination. Personally I think that Nov 1942 is too early to launch a direct attack in the SWPac because you lack the CVE to protect the amphibious task force properly and you. Lastly, I don't see why LRCAP would really deter a KB attack. Isn't there a significant coordination penalty over CTF for LRCAP? I love this AAR and I would hate to see it turn boring after a combined LBA and KB attack smashes through your LRCAP and CVs...good luck.


Oh, that would not make this game boring!

That said, Dan usually has a few tricks up his sleeve. Not to mention THE NUMBERS. Which are undoubtedly a voodoo hex spun over many turns onto his opponents' air and naval forces.

I for one am very excited to see what is going to happen here and very interested to learn a few new things! (About the power of mathematics mostly).

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 8:27:50 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 11:46:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Like lots of people I read both AARs and I have to say it is fascinating!

I think CR is leading JIII exactly where he wants him at this stage. Smoke and mirrors? Maskirovka? Is this really what it seems, a clash of titans? Or is there a bunch of empty TFs rolling up the east coast of OZ... attempting to draw in Japan's finest? Is Japan's finest even being drawn in?

I don't know the answer and I won't put this in the other AAR, but either way it's going to be a great show.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 11:55:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I guess now that the die is cast I will make my predictions. I don't like what you are doing here Dan. It's 1942 and by all appearances you are waltzing into a well prepared position with an enemy pretty much aware of what you are trying to do, what you have and where you are going. I suspect you may get some of your objectives, but certainly not all. You have lots of stuff, with more stuff coming, but you are going to lose lots of stuff. I was going to compare this battle to Gettysburg where both sides were spoiling for a fight and the location was only decided upon because someone wanted to pick up some boots, but it's not the best comparison. This is more like Kursk, and you are not the team with the really cool hats. Best of luck all the same. I'm hoping to be suprised

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 1:34:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, there's always a chance that a timid player like me can get cold feet and scrub the mission or postpone it, though I'm not planning too.

I haven't seen the new turn yet, but I'm anxious to develop (if possible) further information about John's carriers. One possibility is that he's made a mistake and left them too far to the rear, permitting the Allies to spring forward and take Horn Island and Merauke. Those airfields would allow Allied land-based fighters to move further forward to help the cause.

But I must admit that I would not be above trying to bait John into a big carrier battle just off the coast of Oz, where I have the benefit of both massed LRCAP and nearby ports to handle damaged ships, while he would have no friendly ports closer than Rabaul to handle his cripplies (as I have lots of 4EB in Oz).

But I really feel a pressing need to open a second air front, and I feel pretty darn confident that John, in his aggressiveness, will make some mistakes in opening the battle that will create opportunities to punish the enemy.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 2:28:20 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 3:06:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have ALL the CVs with you I hope? I seem to remember the Wasp being with some of the Brit CVs in the IO some time ago? If you plan on taking on the KB (which I don´t necessarily think is a bad idea) you will need them all.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/20/2013 3:21:34 PM   
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SWPac: A surprisingly quiet day as the forces of both sides continue to converge. I think this may be the last quiet day. I think tomorrow things begin to really pop. No sign of the IJN carriers today, though I think they may be closing in from the SE. I think the Allied ships are still in a bit of a pocket where it's hard for John to get decent detection levels. Only a couple of my TFs show detection, none of them the carriers. A fair number of enemy fighters and bombers hit Cooktown airfield. Tomorrow, my amphibious armada - and what an armada it is - will pass Townsville, though it will still be in easy range of LRCAP. To answer Joc's question, all the American carriers (plus Indomitable) are together. Hornet was in the Bay of Bengal many, many months ago, but has since been to Pearl Harbor, Tahiti, New Zealand, etc. Hold onto your hats, gents.

Bay of Bengal: Very quiet except for minor air raids against Ramree (John's losing alot of bombers to heavy flak each day).

Burma: I think 18th UK Div. will be in action in a week or less.

89/17/[+/-2]/17

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