Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: joey

I think this war would be very difficult to simulate. There wasn't really a front line. Battles were not fought establish or move a front line, but instead, were fought to attrit the enemy. Where the enemy was, was not always known. Who the enemy was, was also not always known. It was guerilla warfare at its finest. How does a game simulate that?

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ORIGINAL: joey

I think this war would be very difficult to simulate. There wasn't really a front line. Battles were not fought establish or move a front line, but instead, were fought to attrit the enemy. Where the enemy was, was not always known. Who the enemy was, was also not always known. It was guerilla warfare at its finest. How does a game simulate that?

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ORIGINAL: Icedawg

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ORIGINAL: joey

I think this war would be very difficult to simulate. There wasn't really a front line. Battles were not fought establish or move a front line, but instead, were fought to attrit the enemy. Where the enemy was, was not always known. Who the enemy was, was also not always known. It was guerilla warfare at its finest. How does a game simulate that?

Maybe that's it, but if we can put a man on the moon . . . .

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ORIGINAL: Shellshock

I can think of only one title that ever dealt with the war on the strategic level.

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ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

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ORIGINAL: Shellshock

I can think of only one title that ever dealt with the war on the strategic level.

I remember playing that against my brother, many many moons ago.
The small scenarios were quite fun.
The whole campaign well we got a little way through and it just wasn't being fun for either of us.

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ORIGINAL: spence


"'You know you never defeated us on the battlefield' said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered that remark for a moment. 'That may be so', he replied, 'but it is also irrelevant.'
Conversation in Hanoi, April, 1975"

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ORIGINAL: DHRedge

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ORIGINAL: spence


"'You know you never defeated us on the battlefield' said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered that remark for a moment. 'That may be so', he replied, 'but it is also irrelevant.'
Conversation in Hanoi, April, 1975"

Great quote,

and if someone tries to teach, and is ignored and thought irrelevant, if there teaching does not correct a problem.
Specifically the beer and travel money sent to me.
Then words must become actions, so that it is relevant to the person being spoken to in a way they understand.

The exact theme of the TV show Breaking Bad.
And the rational for manifestations into reality that create effects.

Also the larger topic of Right To Revolution, where when teaching, he did not have the money to live.
Therefore he has the right to move in directions outside of bounds of social contract, since social contract did not correctly address the problem.

Side note, in that story he had some other avenues, for instance someone he once helped long ago, that made millions off of his ideas, (in that Show so there is some writer disagreement with muse)offered him cash to correct the problem, and he could have taken that route, his pride stopped him.

So I have been posting to make it known that my pride is not an issue, and a suitcase of cash can be sent to me to correct the problem, by the various groups that have been reading my posts in various places for years. Not allowing for those that gained in the past to correct the problem is an error in that TV Show, and an error I avoided, however I can still throw the bag of ice on the floor. My friend was treated wrongly, now money must be sent to me.

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ORIGINAL: fcharton

VG Vietnam is a pretty good game, but a very unusual design... Basically, you had an extreme version the "sequential operation" system, which is a hallmark of many VG games (including Pacific War), which broke the sequence of play we're all familiar with. The short scenarios are a lot of fun. The campaign is involved, but very interesting.

As others have said, there are decent vietnam scenarios in tactical games. I have fond memories of SPI Patrol's Vietnam scenarios, which worked very well because they were very asymmetric, I suspect the other games in the series (sniper, commando) might work too. You also have decent (french, and spanish) games about the French Indochina war (look up past copies of Vae Victis and Alea).

As for computer games, I suspect the market for serious wargames, and the audience of this forum, explains the lack of them. We're an old bunch, and this is in living memory... not sure everyone wants to "game" this.

Francois

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ORIGINAL: joey

I think this war would be very difficult to simulate. There wasn't really a front line. Battles were not fought establish or move a front line, but instead, were fought to attrit the enemy. Where the enemy was, was not always known. Who the enemy was, was also not always known. It was guerilla warfare at its finest. How does a game simulate that?

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ORIGINAL: wdolson

This is probably one reason I can't think of any wargames of the Korean War. Modeling the armies would be a lot easier than Vietnam, but somehow putting the political limits on UN forces they worked under in the real war would be tough.

In some ways a Korean War game might be kind of fun because both sides employed the best of WW II hardware (more on the UN side) along with some newer toys like early jets. In something like ASL's WW II scenarios there are only one or two that feature US hardware like the Pershing, but there were lots of those in UN service in Korea.

Bill