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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/24/2013 5:05:50 PM   
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18th Div makes it across the Irrawaddy.


Huzzah!


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JJ is trying to creep up on Myitkyina, but I have no idea why.


The unit south of Myitkynia is not moving. I think it is just there as a road bump so we can't easily open up the Lashio cut-off to Paoshan and move supply over the Burma road. Not sure that is a valid concern considering there is no road access to Ledo and the base has little supply. Surely someone has read the manual? There is also the small matter that we don't own Paoshan either.




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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/24/2013 5:19:20 PM   
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Naval support stands in for a lot of things, including cargo lighters and shore cargo handling parties. I have no problem visualizing these being dispatched down the coast for a big job.


I realize the above information is dangerously close to being on-topic for the forum, so in the interest of etiquette will mention that I'm not a big fan of strawberries, allegorical or otherwise; although my wife enjoys strawberries in season.






Good explanation! HQ flies in strike breakers when the union guys start taking 3 hr lunch breaks!

Just in case there was any confusion, I was yust having some vun. I love this game.


PS...sorry you don't like strawberries. Homemade short cake...homemade whipped cream..ripe strawberries...<eyes roll back>.

There is this trend in California where they can get 4 or 5 strawberry crops a year to grow these monsters that taste like dyed pine saplings.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/24/2013 5:20:51 PM   
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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/24/2013 5:26:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japan mens high command figure out where Arries going before Arries figure it out. Now, they might be headed to Ishigaki or Iriomote or even Okinawa, though the latter seems unlikely because their heading in SE.

Wasp and Yorktown leave Manado today.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/24/2013 9:55:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Found an armored Bn at Altimonan to send to Horycrappo-jima. Counting embarkation, it should take them about 5 d to get there as well. There is also a LYB surface group at Miri. Not sure what they are doing. Perhaps trying to infiltrate the Western wall of the corridor.

There is also a surface group within night strike range of Iba and Vigan. HMAS Perth will stay behind at Vigan and try to provide security.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/24/2013 10:06:11 PM   
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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/24/2013 10:10:34 PM   
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44th Indian is well and truly beat up. Probably JJ is in bad shape too.




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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 2:37:48 PM   
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Horrycrappo-jima: Damn! Japan mens try to rand at Miyako-jima but Lt. Ulysses S Reese fool them. He show up.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Miyako-jima at 91,66, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Nitiho Maru
xAK Nasusan Maru
xAK Nisshun Maru
xAK Oigawa Maru
xAK Satsuma Maru
PB Minowa Maru
PB Heizan Maru
PB Nigitsu Maru
PB Hozugawa Maru
PB Tenshin

Allied Ships
PT-231
PT-236

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway

Then major Bryan shows up with two 81mm mortar teams and captures the place. These are some of the few survivors of 503rd PIR. A staff flunkie sent them to Horrycrappo-jima instead of 1st Marine Para. Even so, it worked. Hilrarious after 18 mos of game turns both sides decide Horrycrappo-jima is a must have.


Ground combat at Miyako-jima (91,66)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 0 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 2

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Miyako-jima !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
503rd Parachute Rgt /2

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:07:48 PM   
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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:16:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maj Bryan and the boys go for a swim at the bustling new US Army base on Miyako-jima. They all agree it is an amazingly beautiful prace. They also capture the German Cultural Center and two aged Nazi Party members.



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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:20:17 PM   
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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:28:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Horrycrappo-jima is 61 sq miles in area. Seems like you could fit quite a few troops there. Not sure the map is right.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:31:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Luzon: Hurricane, tsunami, nor'easter, cyclone and 3 tornados. Almost no air combat. Wichita, with the loverly BFC Bardot aboard, bombarded Manira again, even landing a shell on the crippled *#&$($(# Kuma.

Most of the Mongol Horde moved to San Fernando and appears to be bearing down on Vigan. We tried to attack them by air today but no go.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:35:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mindanao: The SCTF escorting 32nd ID toward Vigan found and sank I-25


Sub attack near Davao at 82,91

Japanese Ships
SS I-25, hits 12, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD DeHaven
DD Grayson
DD Radford
CL Richmond

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:44:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Burma: After some small scale air raids in which we lose a couple of B-25's and some Hurris, Gen Wavell leads the lads across the Irrawaddy at Mandaray. There is heap big battle. Many squaws sleep alone in teepee tonight. We manage a 1:1 and take down some forts but we do take heavy casualties.

Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 33624 troops, 408 guns, 1128 vehicles, Assault Value = 1399

Defending force 16084 troops, 213 guns, 244 vehicles, Assault Value = 664

Allied adjusted assault: 693

Japanese adjusted defense: 436

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
694 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 14 (2 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 58 (43 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2156 casualties reported
Squads: 83 destroyed, 220 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 119 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 29 disabled
Guns lost 51 (17 destroyed, 34 disabled)
Vehicles lost 139 (14 destroyed, 125 disabled)

Assaulting units:
50th Tank Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
23rd Indian Division
25th Indian Division
26th Indian Division
8th Medium Regiment
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
6th Medium Regiment
43rd Cavalry Engineer Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment
163rd Light AA Regiment
15th Indian Engineer Battalion
24th Indian Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
14th Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
55th Cavalry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
124th Infantry Regiment
7th RTA/C Division
35th Field AA Battalion
23rd JAAF AF Bn
22nd JAAF AF Bn
36th JAAF AF Bn

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:49:54 PM   
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Rots of Wee Jap Dobbers as well.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:54:14 PM   
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Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)


That hurt your firepower and adjusted AV ...and your right I noted a lot of destroyed squads in the aftermath ... I have observed that disrupted units tend to take more destroyed squads after the smoke clears ..

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 3:56:29 PM   
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Port Blair: No WJD attack. Our lads invent a delicious grub and tree bark consume.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 4:11:32 PM   
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Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)


That hurt your firepower and adjusted AV ...and your right I noted a lot of destroyed squads in the aftermath ... I have observed that disrupted units tend to take more destroyed squads after the smoke clears ..


It's not easy getting an entire corps and 400 tanks across the Irrawaddy against entrenched Japs...especially when we have no road link to India.





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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 4:18:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		So how do we stop JJ from trying to land again at Miyako-jima? 8 guys and 2 81mm mortars are not very intimidating.

Well, if they have enough fuel, Lt Reese can go back and we send Arleigh Burke, USS St. Louis and 5 Fletcher class DD's up from Batan Is and see if we can cover them with LRCAP from Batan.

We can also drop some more paras. 4 more days until sizable forces arrive.

"Hold until relieved......hold until relieved...."

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 4:39:38 PM   
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It's not easy getting an entire corps and 400 tanks across the Irrawaddy against entrenched Japs...especially when we have no road link to India.


I got it I am not sure if the ticket is the minimal force to get disrupted and survive the shock attack with the rest of the forces following on is the answer or achieve maximum adjusted AV/Firepower and just accept the carnage with the thought of whatever is left is enough to carry the day is the answer ... I am still very uncertain to this question ...

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 4:55:48 PM   
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It's not easy getting an entire corps and 400 tanks across the Irrawaddy against entrenched Japs...especially when we have no road link to India.


I got it I am not sure if the ticket is the minimal force to get disrupted and survive the shock attack with the rest of the forces following on is the answer or achieve maximum adjusted AV/Firepower and just accept the carnage with the thought of whatever is left is enough to carry the day is the answer ... I am still very uncertain to this question ...



Right. It seems the key question is can you displace the bad guys with the first attack. If the answer is possibly so, then you send the whole lot. It looks like ALSP has another division moving West from Shwebo to cross downstream somewhere. Also 18th Div is now headed NE toward Magwe

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 5:06:53 PM   
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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/25/2013 6:34:09 PM   
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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/26/2013 3:13:55 PM   
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See, Arries can be sneaky too.



Well, sure, but do you also do little, yellow and inscrutable?


Noted: The one bomber destroyed at Pegu in the night bombing raids was a Sonia. Not sure this can reach Port Blair. Of course, there might be Netties too but they could be there to guard the Burma/Siam coast or even for use against the lads in the jungle coming down from Ramree. They have good reason to fear a landing south of Rangoon because they have made a stand on the Irrawaddy. My guess is the Netties, if there are still any, are at Rangoon. I'm guessing from the fighter sweeps you are planning another daytime raid over Rangoon. Sounds good to me.

Also, there are at least 2 task forces at Port Blair. One might be transports with escorts. Those transports we attacked off the coast of Siam disappeared.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/26/2013 3:25:17 PM   
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I suspect you have considered this as well, but with 18th Div moving on Magwe, what do they have at Meiktila? 50th Indian Para might be able to take the place? That would make things uncomfortable in Mandaray.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/26/2013 3:30:16 PM   
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See, Arries can be sneaky too.


Hmmm this is sneaky ... take Meiktila and all supply stops flowing to Mandalay .. as does the retreat route . first stop is Magwe ..It does not look like the IJA have prepared a secondary fall back Line of resistance

Edit: I posted simultaneously with the Cap .. a paradrop into an empty Meiktila is a coup de gras to this situation

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/26/2013 3:48:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps 11th Chindits could fly in to Meiktila from Myitkyina once the airfield were taken.

I think you can land transports at a level one, just not operate from there? Anyone know?

By ra way, Mandaray would still have a supply route through Taung Gyi and then the long way around through trails and the Mandaray/Lashio road.

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/26/2013 4:06:08 PM   
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take Meiktila and all supply stops flowing to Mandalay .. as does the retreat route . first stop is Magwe ..It does not look like the IJA have prepared a secondary fall back Line of resistance

Edit: I posted simultaneously with the Cap .. a paradrop into an empty Meiktila is a coup de gras to this situation


While true that taking Meiktila (sp?) would cut off supply to Mandalay (and jeapordize the retreat route), I wouldn't assume it was unprotected without some dedicated local recon. Cap'n-you got some eyes in the sky there and at Taung Gyi?

As a Jap player, I love Taung Gyi as a regional base. Very helpful having road and rail access into the Mandalay-Meiktila (sp?) area whilest still protected by dense jungle.

ETA: Gah! I mistook Myitkyilina (N. Burma) for the city immediately below (central plains) Mandalay. Please assume my comments refer to this city. (name?)

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RE: The strawberry as an allegorical device - 8/26/2013 4:07:21 PM   
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I think you can land transports at a level one, just not operate from there?


That's my understanding too, Cap'n.

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