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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/20/2013 5:33:40 AM   
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Without being able to check just yet, I think it is roughly comparable to Allied CV fighters. It's fast, decently gunned, maneuverable, and armor 1. But as you can see above, without drop tanks it only has range 4/5.

A7M2 i better from Hellcat. 392mph speed (fastest Hellcat is 380) climb faster and have better maneuverability. Only CV capable plane better from A7M2 is F4U(late war versions have speed ~425mph) and i am sure SAM can fight fair fight with that plane if pilot have decent XP.

Range on carrier it is not problem because planes are allowed to use drop tanks if there is only enough sorties. He can fly 8 hexes with them and that is enough to lunch full package strike with torpedoes and dive bombers on range 8.

It is best Japanese navy fighter that can be use in small and medium size AFs. SR2 make them perfect to that.

there is also J7W1 Shinden but that plane in my opinion is only good to defend Home Island as he need lot of air support and big field. An is not CV capable.


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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/20/2013 1:17:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: koniu

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Without being able to check just yet, I think it is roughly comparable to Allied CV fighters. It's fast, decently gunned, maneuverable, and armor 1. But as you can see above, without drop tanks it only has range 4/5.

A7M2 i better from Hellcat. 392mph speed (fastest Hellcat is 380) climb faster and have better maneuverability. Only CV capable plane better from A7M2 is F4U(late war versions have speed ~425mph) and i am sure SAM can fight fair fight with that plane if pilot have decent XP.

Range on carrier it is not problem because planes are allowed to use drop tanks if there is only enough sorties. He can fly 8 hexes with them and that is enough to lunch full package strike with torpedoes and dive bombers on range 8.

It is best Japanese navy fighter that can be use in small and medium size AFs. SR2 make them perfect to that.

there is also J7W1 Shinden but that plane in my opinion is only good to defend Home Island as he need lot of air support and big field. An is not CV capable.


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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/20/2013 5:17:00 PM   
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SUBS: The SS Sabalo gets very close to some big tankers on the way back to the HI loaded with precious oil, and then takes a bunch of hits from the escorts. Jocke is doing well moving these subs around from side to side of the South China Sea. It's a Cat and Mouse chase now. I have decided to use some coastal routing for the first time along Indochina and that is working really well to skirt past the hunters. All the cheese is still getting back.

PI: The Allies get to the troops at Antimonan before they can move out. Now it's a rush to Manila. The almost 4k of Japanese troops there has nearly level 7 forts built. I've got some reserves protecting any backdoor assaults at other ports along the West side of Luzon, at Bataan and at Clark, and about a division equivalent at Appari. I'm still adding a few elements to get units on so a few divisions can recombine.

DEI: Looks like movement to Samarinda is coming soon. A brigade has been lifted out and most of the other units, so hopefully the rest will be crushed in the shock and I can rebuild completely.

S/SW PAC: Still sending a few squads a day from Truk to Pagan, then up to the Bonins. I'm keeping some Jakes down here and in the Gilberts in case he gets lazy with convoy settings, and then I can send in the Graces.

NORTH PACIFIC: A big amphib TF is heading here to pick up most of the troops who have held the line for years in the North. They'll be back on home territory in the Kuriles soon.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: Defenses are coming together. The China coast is so vulnerable. It all has to be done with CVs though, so it depends on how comfortable he is moving under that cover and keeping it there for days while any captured bases are built.

S DEI: A flotilla of Fletchers hits a convoy of xAKL at Kendari sinking about half. No more pulling by sea here it looks like! It's still in easy range of Java for air transport so once I get what I can from Samarinda this will be the focus. Southern bases on Timor and Lomblen will be left to be taken, although I'll pull out th fair HQ at Lomblen soon. He should bombard at some point, and I have very good fighter groups here. There are a lot of B-29 dropped aerial mines still in the port though in addition to the Japanese ones, so that could make things interesting if he tries.

BURMA: Troops still moving along at a rapid pace. Reserve mode does wonders for this and it seems they don't get jogged out of that like they do in move mode when attacked from the air. Allied sweeps meet tougher resistance near Bangkok due to LR CAP instead of bleeding CAP settings. Corsairs suffer mightily, getting only about 1:1 on the day, but the Jugs from 42k are unstoppable and get around 15:1!

Any ideas on those? For my next game, even if I play Allies, I think it would be necessary to have an altitude CAP of say 31k. No strato-sweeps. It's not really plausible that Corsairs get 1:1 against very good opposing fighters in greater numbers while against the same CAP the P-47s manage 15:1.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 13, 44
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Sub attack near Saigon at 62,74

Japanese Ships
E Hiburi
E Hashidate
TK Nissyo Maru
TK Itukusima Maru
TK Gen'yo Maru
TK Akebono Maru
E Shirakami
E W-30

Allied Ships
SS Sabalo, hits 12

SS Sabalo launches 4 torpedoes at E Hiburi
Sabalo bottoming out ....
E Shirakami fails to find sub and abandons search
E W-30 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E W-30 attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kendari at 70,106, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Boston Maru
xAKL Heiwa Maru, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Hanakawa Maru, Shell hits 8, heavy fires
xAKL Katsura Maru
xAKL Keizan Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAKL Yagi Maru
xAKL Sakae Maru
PB Sento Maru, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
PB Mikitade Maru, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Callaghan
DD Erben
DD Franks
DD Healy
DD Hopewell
DD Richard P. Leary
DD Luce
DD Mullany
DD Philip
DD Norman Scott

Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 3% moonlight: 5,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on Atimonan , at 80,79

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 42,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 2
N1K2-J George x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed Bleeding CAP

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
38 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 37000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Army, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 58
J2M5 Jack x 23
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 99
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 22
Ki-84a Frank x 81

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 11 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Army, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 44
J2M5 Jack x 22
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 94
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 80

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Army, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 37
J2M5 Jack x 22
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 86
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 78

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Army, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 35
J2M5 Jack x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 82
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 72

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Army, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 27
J2M5 Jack x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 81
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 69

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 9 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Army, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 22
J2M5 Jack x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 61
Ki-84a Frank x 55

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 14 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Guam , at 106,95

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 16

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 6 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 3 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
MTB G-887, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
9 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Guam (106,95)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42388 troops, 929 guns, 1471 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538

Defending force 22402 troops, 405 guns, 82 vehicles, Assault Value = 222

Allied adjusted assault: 875

Japanese adjusted defense: 399

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Guam !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4703 casualties reported
Squads: 136 destroyed, 88 disabled
Non Combat: 84 destroyed, 249 disabled
Engineers: 158 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 313 (258 destroyed, 55 disabled)
Vehicles lost 32 (32 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
461 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 61 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 29 (1 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (1 destroyed, 30 disabled)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 14, 44
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Sub attack near Lautem at 73,115

Japanese Ships
SS RO-37

Allied Ships
xAKL Kailua, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

SS RO-37 launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Kailua

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,57 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington B.X x 15
B-25H Mitchell x 3
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 6 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,57 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington B.X x 13
B-25C Mitchell x 13
B-25H Mitchell x 26
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 4 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground combat at Atimonan (80,79)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5715 troops, 25 guns, 836 vehicles, Assault Value = 458

Defending force 7905 troops, 51 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 134

Allied adjusted assault: 241

Japanese adjusted defense: 30

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Atimonan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), op mode(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4135 casualties reported
Squads: 69 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 143 destroyed, 58 disabled
Engineers: 132 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 26 (15 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Units retreated 7
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
192nd Tank Battalion
754th Tank Battalion
5th USMC Tank Battalion

Defending units:
30th Engineer Regiment
I/19th Naval Guard Unit
41st Guard Battalion
2nd Amphibious Bde /1
6th Base Force
26th Air Flotilla
37th Const Co
74th JAAF AF Bn


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Reinforcements:

20th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion arrives at Manila
16th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion arrives at Nagoya
78th Field AA Machinecannon Company arrives at Tokyo
79th Field AA Machinecannon Company arrives at Tokyo
146th JAAF AF Bn arrives at Tokyo
254 Ku S-1 arrives at Manila
17th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion arrives at Kochi
34th Tank Regiment arrives at Mukden
LST T-153 arrives at Maizuru
16th I.F.Chutai arrives at Ominato
16th I.F.Chutai Det arrives at Ominato
17th I.F.Chutai arrives at Tokyo
15th Tpt.Chutai arrives at Singapore
Giretsu-tai arrives at Hamamatsu

Losses:



Ships Sunk:

xAK William Allen White is reported to have been sunk near Cotabato on Sep 09, 1944
xAKL Kailua is reported to have been sunk near Lautem on Nov 14, 1944
APA Dutchess is reported to have been sunk near Umnak Island on Oct 24, 1944
Previous report of sinking of CV Bunker Hill incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
Previous report of sinking of SS Haddo incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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APA Dutchess came into the war late, in Dec 44, which makes me think this is not a correct sinking report. Nonetheless, some APA did sink near Umnak recently, so that's fine. What I did find was that the Dutchess transformed after the war from the gritty camouflaged and equipment strewn ship on the top into the brightly painted and sleek passenger liner on the bottom after the war. Amazing!

(It's funny to get messages like this in 11/44. Hilo?)

Hilo expands port to size 5
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/20/2013 5:40:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The P47s probably did very well because the Corsairs tired the CAP out. They would have done good if going in alone, now they did great..



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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/21/2013 12:08:18 AM   
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The P47s probably did very well because the Corsairs tired the CAP out. They would have done good if going in alone, now they did great..




It's 1:1 vs 15:1. That's not just being tired out. I've seen a CAP do just fine in the later stages of a long succession of sweeps. Just not if any are coming at 42k. It's that and only that, of course with a great fighter that doesn't need a special bonus as well as it's already dominant stats.

As I said, when I play an Allied game I will not use 42k sweeps and will ask for a limit to altitude that exists for both players to really see how these units match up. I'm more interested in tactics, deception and game play by the players than simply a game setting technique that works 100% of the time and is only available to one side. The Allied planes are good enough and their pools are not so shallow that 15:1 is needed to come out ahead.

This by the way is not a criticism of my opponent. He's playing by our rules and doing what he can to play the game as best he can. This is simply something I see now to HR so as to level an advantage for the future, even if I'm on the side that can utilize that advantage.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/21/2013 12:11:32 AM   
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/21/2013 12:15:58 AM   
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I agree with the high alt sweeps, EXCEPT it negates the P40 tactics developed by the flying Tigers. I think the P40 should be exempt and besides the Oscar can still get higher. HO.


If no planes can get higher than another it doesn't negate anything. Any good Japanese player will use the Oscar at 15k, maybe 20k at highest, as it's biggest advantage is the maneuverability at 10-15k. if the rule is no planes over 31k then in 42 that will let the maneuver bands work as they should and planes will be forced to either sacrifice maneuverability up high or work in their best band to maximize what they can do. That brings in tactics again and should keep both sides from simply stacking everything as high as possible for sweeps.

It will also negate the issues we had with the P-40 getting slammed due to our 2nd best maneuver band HR.

Maybe for 42 the rule should be no planes over 25k as some had top altitude in that range. I don't think many in the war did go higher during that period anyway. Then in 43 it could pop up to 31k for all.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/21/2013 12:17:06 AM   
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/21/2013 10:10:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Obvert, I played that rule against Arnhem (me as the Japanese). The problem here is the advantages the Japanese player gets from the production system. The P47s still get more kills but there are not enough around..

Airframe losses are not very important for the Japanese player (but never fun to watch). It means a lot for the allies.

Perhaps you could make the altitude gap smaller but I wouldn't level it...

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/21/2013 10:18:25 AM   
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It's 1:1 vs 15:1. That's not just being tired out. I've seen a CAP do just fine in the later stages of a long succession of sweeps. Just not if any are coming at 42k. It's that and only that, of course with a great fighter that doesn't need a special bonus as well as it's already dominant stats.

As I said, when I play an Allied game I will not use 42k sweeps and will ask for a limit to altitude that exists for both players to really see how these units match up. I'm more interested in tactics, deception and game play by the players than simply a game setting technique that works 100% of the time and is only available to one side. The Allied planes are good enough and their pools are not so shallow that 15:1 is needed to come out ahead.

This by the way is not a criticism of my opponent. He's playing by our rules and doing what he can to play the game as best he can. This is simply something I see now to HR so as to level an advantage for the future, even if I'm on the side that can utilize that advantage.


Good luck with this.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/21/2013 3:52:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Obvert, I played that rule against Arnhem (me as the Japanese). The problem here is the advantages the Japanese player gets from the production system. The P47s still get more kills but there are not enough around..

Airframe losses are not very important for the Japanese player (but never fun to watch). It means a lot for the allies.

Perhaps you could make the altitude gap smaller but I wouldn't level it...


My feeling would be that the Allied player still gets advantages from radar in a defensive role and offensively from better airframes (with higher durability, speed and armament plus armor in the beginning of the war when the Japanese don't have it). For me the problem is not just the airframes but the growing pilot quality disparity. If you get 15:1 kills regularly pretty soon all pilots are 90 exp and 80 air skill with 10+ kills. The Allies should be better, but this is just a highlighter situation when I can see (arguably) the two best Allied airframes getting such widely differing results against the same opposition.

It of course depends somewhat on which scenario you're playing. I'm in scenario 1 here. Not even thinking of trying to change something in this game, just thinking about the future.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/21/2013 4:15:55 PM   
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DEI: Balikpapan is still closed with heavy damage to the port and the fields. Not sure what his intentions are there. Maybe he isn't so interested in a level 9 base right in the middle of the DEI? Yeah, right.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: Supply is getting low around here.As it is everywhere. I'm leaving things for a while with yellow flags as I concentrate on Burma. Some small drops will arrive by LST/xAKL all along the coast soon though.

S DEI: Now the Americal division is moved into Dili. So he's got 3:1 AV advantage and more than that in firepower. Still it's only bombardments though, which is fine. Take your time!

BURMA: The Allies are now looking to encircle our troops and I'm worried he could turn and move into the hex we're heading to in order to close the retreat hex side. If that happens, well, then this stack is probably toast. It's still in +3 territory, but without supply or chance of escape it wouldn't be good.

With this in mind I'm bringing in lots of various kinds of ground strike planes to hit these troops and slow them over the next weeks. I'll have some DBs and MB and even a few TB here in a few days. It's all very close to Bangkok so he would be LR CAPing at a disadvantage, or so I think. If everything can move into the clear it's possible to save these troops. It's kind of fun, even though I risk losing a lot here.

CENTRAL PACFIC: Some transports look to be moving across from Wake and I'll give the old college try for them. Not many good bases to do this from, but what the heck.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 15, 44
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Makassar at 65,106

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 1 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Allied aircraft
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 25

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-20, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SC CHa-16, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SC CHa-6, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SC CHa-55, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
16 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Guards Division, at 55,58 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 7
Liberator B.VI x 13
Liberator GR.VI x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 47
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 10

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 2 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 20000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Tawi Tawi (72,90)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3002 troops, 42 guns, 46 vehicles, Assault Value = 131

Defending force 3095 troops, 20 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 56

Allied adjusted assault: 115

Japanese adjusted defense: 13

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Tawi Tawi !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
350 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 23 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
111th(Sep) Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
88th Infantry Regiment
227th Naval Construction Battalion

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Sub attack near Damar at 74,115

Japanese Ships
SS RO-37, hits 8

Allied Ships
LCT-463
LST-176
LCT-475
LCT-471
LCT-371
LCT-163
SC PC-776

SS RO-37 cannot acquire firing solution on enemy LCT
RO-37 diving deep ....
SC PC-776 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Cebu , at 80,86

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6
Spitfire VIII x 2
B-17E Fortress x 7
B-24D Liberator x 7
B-24D1 Liberator x 10
B-24J Liberator x 76
B-25D1 Mitchell x 68
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 4
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 31
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 65
Airbase supply hits 42
Runway hits 186

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,58 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 11
Liberator GR.VI x 9
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 71
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 5 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 3 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 26 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 7 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 20000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,58 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 6
Liberator B.VI x 23
B-17F Fortress x 7
B-24J Liberator x 38

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 2 damaged
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed by flak
Liberator B.VI: 7 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 14 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 20000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Dili (71,115)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12936 troops, 191 guns, 172 vehicles, Assault Value = 1079

Defending force 11521 troops, 77 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 364

Assaulting units:
Americal Infantry Division
2/5th Armoured Regiment
2/6th Armoured Regiment
1st Army Tank Regiment
7th Australian Division
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
97th Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
3rd Raiding Regiment
III/66th Naval Guard Unit
43rd Engineer Regiment
72nd Infantry Brigade
124th Infantry Regiment
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
35th JNAF AF Unit
4th Tank Regiment
65th JNAF AF Unit

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Reinforcements: More training groups arriving!

E No.49 arrives at Tokyo
Banda-tai arrives at Utsonomiya
Hakko Dai Hachi Tai arrives at Utsonomiya
MGB G-1011 arrives at Hiroshima/Kure
1st JAAF AF Coy arrives at Tokyo

Losses:

Loss of SC CHa-6 on Nov 15, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SC CHa-16 on Nov 15, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SC CHa-20 on Nov 15, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SC CHa-55 on Nov 15, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk: none.
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Even at 20k feet the Allies lose ~15 4E hitting my partially supplied stack. If these guys do get supply, even in the clear it should be a painful job to hit them from the air.
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DEI: No real action in the area. Still have several groups stuck at Kendari. Transport planes. Waiting for the service at the fields to repair. Other than that just getting units back and sending them to Saigon from Soerabaja and Batavia.

BURMA: The situation in burma is now officiallly dire. The Allied troops did begin moving one day before ours to try to close the hex from the clear area near Bangkok. it's a race and I think we'l lose. After one bombing run to test the waters I'm now bringing in multiple groups to hit these troops again. I'm not sure what else to do here. All of my units are now aiming to walk the opposite direction, but the going is slow. In the first half in the jungles they'll move 6 hexes a day for infantry and 4 hexes a day for arty and tanks. Once in the clear half things should speed up, but I'm thinking at the least I'll lose a bunch of arty and AA here even if the main body of the army gets through. We'll see. Now the fun starts.

PI: It's often seen as a good defensive tactic to use mutually supporting bases. While I see the benefits in many situations, there is also one serious drawback; the game. It's impossible not to have bleeders get crushed by opposing sweeps when trying to mutually support several bases. Currently in Clark Field and Manila I have about 800 fighters. They are all set at 1 hex range. This means they can support each other in the case of a big raid. It also mean they will get wiped off the board when P-47s sweep another base one hex from Manila on the opposite side. nothing I can do. I can't leave CAP down so I have to simply leave it at 0 hex react and let each base fend for itself. Sucks, and it shouldn't really work this way, but that's the game.

CENTRAL PACFIC: Still trying to hit the LOC out here. No luck yet.

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Morning Air attack on 41st Infantry Division, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 98

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
49 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 31000 feet
49 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 50th Tank Brigade, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 76
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 50

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 20 (1 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 18th Cavalry Regiment ...
Also attacking 255th Indian Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 50th Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th Cavalry Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th Cavalry Regiment ...
Also attacking 255th Indian Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 50th Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th Cavalry Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th Cavalry Regiment ...

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Morning Air attack on Babeldaob , at 90,97

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-17E Fortress x 7
B-24D Liberator x 8
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 95
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 19

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 86
Airbase supply hits 24
Runway hits 117

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cebu , at 80,86

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 2
B-25D1 Mitchell x 89
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 4

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 59

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Burma Area Army, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 16

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Thunderbolt I sweeping at 35000 feet * Interesting. Later I might be able to do some interesting things with this. The Frank 'r' can get over this height by our rules and so a massive LR CAP at some point could do some damage. Now I need groups to upgrade fast. A second group just converted but of course will be only sonly back in action as these service 3 planes repair.

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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,58 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 15
B-25D1 Mitchell x 13
B-25H Mitchell x 13
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 20000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Lucena (79,79)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3855 troops, 19 guns, 558 vehicles, Assault Value = 303

Defending force 3316 troops, 30 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 19

Allied adjusted assault: 398

Japanese adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 132 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Lucena !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2343 casualties reported
Squads: 53 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 192 destroyed, 54 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 21 (21 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
192nd Tank Battalion

Defending units:
41st Guard Battalion
6th Base Force
74th JAAF AF Bn
26th Air Flotilla
2nd Amphibious Bde /1

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Ground combat at Samarinda (65,96)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 10059 troops, 211 guns, 187 vehicles, Assault Value = 748

Defending force 1304 troops, 0 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Allied adjusted assault: 458

Japanese adjusted defense: 13

Allied assault odds: 35 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Samarinda !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
465 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 56 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
124th Cavalry Regiment
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
711th Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
96th Infantry Division

Defending units:
22nd JAAF AF Bn
14th Air Fleet /1
175th JAAF AF Bn
24th Port Unit
206th Naval Const Bn /2

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Sub attack near Banjoewangi at 58,106

Japanese Ships
LST T-141
E No.2

Allied Ships
SS Redfin, hits 1

SS Redfin launches 2 torpedoes at LST T-141
Redfin diving deep ....
E No.2 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.2 attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Batangas , at 79,78

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 7
J2M5 Jack x 10
N1K1-J George x 5
N1K2-J George x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Batangas , at 79,78

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 2
J2M5 Jack x 7
N1K1-J George x 1
N1K2-J George x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 18

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 4 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Marcus Island at 122,94

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAK Samaffric
xAK Justo Arosemena, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x E13A1 Jake bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Morita C. gives his life for the Emperor by ramming xAK Justo Arosemena
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Justo Arosemena

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Roti at 67,116

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 27

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAKL Konsan Maru, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
xAKL Kosho Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Amakasu Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
PB Toshi Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
14 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Division, at 55,58 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 3
Liberator B.VI x 21
Wellington B.X x 14
B-17F Fortress x 5
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 18
B-25D1 Mitchell x 30
B-25H Mitchell x 55
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 2
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 13

Allied aircraft losses
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
151 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Reinforcements:

ML G-429 arrives at Kobe
54th Naval Guard Unit arrives at Tokyo

Aircraft Ki-83 advances R&D (3/44)

Losses:

Loss of AM Wa 107 on Jul 26, 1944 is admitted
Loss of PB Toshi Maru #2 on Nov 18, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAKL Amakasu Maru on Nov 18, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAKL Konsan Maru on Nov 18, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of CVE Breton incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
Previous report of sinking of CVE Altamaha incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
SS Devilfish is reported to have been sunk near Davao on Aug 10, 1944
AKA Tolland is reported to have been sunk near Umnak Island on Oct 24, 1944
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It's easy to see here how the Allies plan to encircle the Japanese troops. I'll hit his and he'll hit mine. He's alo got some moving into the hex we're in along the road. That'll be interesting as well. There are some tricky hex-side things here and it'll be interesting in the next weeks to see how it plays out.
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Here's a shot showing my two fast E getting sooooo close to a transport TF but missing. Some jakes do hit and one pilot makes the ultimate sacrifice into an xAK. Graces from Truk will try tomorrow and the E will turn and try again as well.





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SUBS: Get to a few more Allied subs but nothing obviously sunk. Missed an AK at Balikpapan and the RO sub paid the price getting 65 float damage.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: I'll send the China Exp. Army Command HQ to Amoy so it'll be in range of both the HK/Canton area and Formosa. HK has roughly 800 AV and is near to level 6 forts. Canton has about 1900 AV. A good sized reserve is moving down from the mountains and all coastal base hexes between Indochina and Amoy should get at least a division.

S DEI: Another set of sweeps at Lomblen and again here guys hold their own. Hellcats suffer the most, but even the Corsairs don't do as well as they have in other spots, again. Seems like just the right mix here, and it's only four groups. That's encouraging.

BURMA: Very nice turn. Spits LR CAPed the Allied troops near Bangkok and sweeps of Franks got 1:1 results against them, destroying over 30 planes. That only brings the total Spit VIII losses up to around 85, so this is definitely a special result. I've hardly touched them before now. Guess they got tired? Or maybe he switched out pilots for more green ones?

Also, due to ALL Spits being set to 31k, the bombers flew right under and hit the troops for some losses that should mean they went to combat mode if they weren't in it already. Just have to try to make sure. Also a bunch of DBs hit the tanks one hex away and got some decent results although many groups are not ground trained and didn't do anything. Still, this might be the only way to kill the Allied tanks at this point in the war.

CENTRAL PACFIC: Lost the two Es to a destroyer flotilla led by Ching Lee!?! What's he doing out there and not in a BB or at least a cruiser? Very odd. The Graces didn't fly again, and these TFs move unmolested and in range toward the Marianas.

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Morning Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 27
N1K2-J George x 18
Ki-84a Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 7 destroyed

CAP engaged:
256 Ku S-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 36910. Even before they get there this whole group looks to have gotten up high, although the Hellcats should be able to still get higher for some dive. Seems like this is a key factor in this defense turning out so well though.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes

S-306 Hikotai with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 35300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
S-701 Hikotai with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 36910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 23
N1K2-J George x 15
Ki-84a Frank x 21

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 17
N1K2-J George x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 10
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Sub attack near Balikpapan at 64,97

Japanese Ships
SS RO-108, hits 10, heavy damage

Allied Ships
AK Sabik
AM Bowen
AK Megrez
AK Matar
AM Shepparton
AM Inverell

SS RO-108 launches 2 torpedoes at AK Sabik
AM Shepparton fails to find sub and abandons search
AM Inverell fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Inverell attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 20, 44
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ASW attack near Hong Kong at 77,65

Japanese Ships
E No.10
E No.46
E No.34

Allied Ships
SS Tunny, hits 4

SS Tunny is sighted by escort
Tunny diving deep ....
E No.46 fails to find sub and abandons search
E No.34 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Marcus Island at 120,91, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Hasu, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
E Susuki, Shell hits 22, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Bearss
DD Howorth
DD Monssen
DD Aaron Ward
DD Farenholt
DD Gansevoort
DD Frankford
DD Patterson
DD Preston
DD Reid
DD Monssen II, Shell hits 2
DD De Haven II

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 26,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Lee, Willis "Ching" crosses the 'T' What is this guy doing leading a flotilla of DDs in the middle of Cent Pac??!!??
DD Frankford engages E Susuki at 18,000 yards

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ASW attack near Hong Kong at 76,68

Japanese Ships
E No.10
E No.46
E No.34

Allied Ships
SS Sea Owl, hits 11 two penetrating hits

SS Sea Owl is located by E No.10
Sea Owl diving deep ....
E No.46 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.34 attacking submerged sub ....
E No.46 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on 41st Infantry Division, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 66

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 41st Infantry Division, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Provisionl Tank Brigade, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 36
D4Y4 Judy x 44
N1K2-J George x 15
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 36
Ki-100-I Tony x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 25 (6 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
19 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 800 kg GP Bomb
8 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
9 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 800 kg GP Bomb
16 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 800 kg GP Bomb
1 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Provisionl Tank Brigade, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 34

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Provisionl Tank Brigade, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 28

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 50th Tank Brigade, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 87
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 32

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-43-IV Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 2nd British Division, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 40

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 44

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
20 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 41st Infantry Division, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 34 Sweeping at 35k!

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 41st Infantry Division, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 36

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Yokosuka 5th SNLF, at 81,81 (Naga)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-17E Fortress x 8
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 51
B-25D1 Mitchell x 57
B-25G Mitchell x 16
B-25J1 Mitchell x 16
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 14
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
450 casualties reported
Squads: 34 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (10 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 3
B-17F Fortress x 6
B-24D1 Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 45
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 5

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 25000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Naga (81,81)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1860 troops, 6 guns, 278 vehicles, Assault Value = 155

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 274

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 274 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied forces CAPTURE Naga !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+)

No defending unit as it was destroyed completely by air attack!

Assaulting units:
754th Tank Battalion
5th USMC Tank Battalion


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Reinforcements:

E No.68 arrives at Tokyo
ML G-430 arrives at Hiroshima/Kure
3rd Indpt SNLF Coy arrives at Tokyo
LST T-154 arrives at Niigata
MTB G-1012 arrives at Shimonoseki

Losses:

Loss of E Hasu on Nov 20, 1944 is admitted
Loss of E Susuki on Nov 20, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk: Many of these false sinking notices are accompanied by a corresponding inclusion of a similar ship with a different name in the sunk list in game.

Previous report of sinking of DD Buchanan incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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These results were corroborated by the replay and as you can see it's a very rare occurrence to hit these planes so hard. Looks like 36 Spits downed for 30 Franks on the day. That's over a third of the total downed so far in the war in one day!
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/22/2013 6:22:42 PM   
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Just putting my two cents in regarding the air war. In my recent PBEM we played with the best band rule for Japanese and 31K cap for allies. I think this rule worked very well in our game. It is my feeling that once you get above 31K things just get ridiculous. Later in the war p47s still dominated but not to an absurd degree. Furthermore, in my game I put a conscious effort in building a highly trained pilot pool. In some turns where my opponent forgot and let his p47s come in at 42K my elite pilots got shredded, it didn't matter if they were my groups that were 80+ or my weaker groups that were ~60 they got shredded just the same. When he came in as per our rule, my elite groups did much better than my less trained groups as you would expect. That is one of my main problems with the Stratosweeps is that it seems to negate any aspect of player skill on the part of Japanese.

Now, I admit that I am not a great player and I don't (intentionally) try to play exploitively. My joy in this game is to see an alternate history play out, not necessarily just to win. Even if I was good enough to win as Japan, I wouldn't really want to because the game would have to basically end before 43, and I want a long game that goes into 46. What I try to do is set up a situation where I am competitive all the way to the end. I bring this up, because in a game against a Japanese player that is more skilled and/or more exploitive than me this rule may be too much for the allies (but I doubt it). The US has so many advantages, I feel like the b24s and later b29s are one of the big equalizers (it doesn't matter how many fighters you can make as Japan if B29s can come in at night and destroy hundreds of them at a time!). Also, later in my game, when my opponent came for Japan in 45, he had a naval stack of 2000-3000+ Hellcats, seafires and Corsairs on CAP alone, there was simply no getting through that, so I guess I don't have much sympathy for Allied players complaining about 1:1 or 3:1 kills when they want 15:1.

I think the 31K for Allies and best band rule for Japan is a good compromise for more realism, I feel that the Japanese are still at a disadvantage but it isn't like "why should I even bother building aircraft at all" feeling you get with stratosweeps.

On a side note, after playing into the late game, I have to say that the J2M5 is my favorite Japanese fighter, the A7M is great too but I think the J2M5 has far exceeded my expectations, seems better even than the ki84 for some reason, but the ki84r is pretty awesome.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/22/2013 7:42:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the long note and advice. I agree the strato-sweeps basically negate any other tactic, pilot quality or airframe. I've seen the same.

I am also like you. I'm an aggressive player with a lot of tenacity, but I simply want to watch the history played out for both sides. I applauded the Marianas operation from my side as it was amazing to see the Allied forces perfectly set to invade even the strong defenses I'd set up. It was just awesome power and a steamroller I as a player couldn't do much about, but with fair losses to each side it seemed.

I like your idea for that rule. As my next game will be on the Allied side I'll suggest something similar.



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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/22/2013 9:34:41 PM   
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SUBS: RO-108 is sunk by the SS Golet as it tried to limp back from the Balikpapan area.

DEI: Allied troops invade Tarakan. No opposition here. I've got bigger fish to fry right now.

S DEI: I move the J2M5 groups out of Lomblen and back to Java. I'm sensing things are winding down here for the Japanese as the first DA against Dili gets a 1:1. The air HQ is also removed safely and I'll try to come back for some of the base forces with radar using LSTs if time permits. A George and a Frank group hold the fort here for the next week or so.

BURMA: This is it now. The tension is building. It is a good two turns for the Japanese, but if the troops don't make it through all of that will be forgotten. They're still moving in jungle territory but should begin going at clear hex pace after the next turn.

On the 21st the Allies again lose big numbers as they attack after supply gets to the AA units. Looks like about 10 4E lost. A lot more 4E and 2E are damaged.

Then on the 22nd a very strange thing happened. We swept the Allied troops in preparation for the bombing runs and were met by P-47s set high at 42k and 35k. Judging by detection times (from 2 to 10 minutes) there is no radar here either, and thats not surprising for Infantry and armor units. The first two groups of Georges got only 1:3, but then the 16 Ki-100 sent in at 15k bring everyone down apparently and the next few sweeps have a field day! Around 44 P-47s are downed on the day for only 28 Japanese fighters lost.

(Just got a note from Jocke saying his groups on LR CAP were at 40 fatigue. That's probably after th turn though. Still think we would have done well here with these settings and groups flying, regardless. Guess it's good I waited a day though between bombing missions to get some help from the fatigue).

After all of this the strikes come in and we lose 15 DBs to flak but get a few decent runs, and the 2E Peggys at least get enough to make sure most of these are in combat mode. By the losses it looks like they were before the strikes anyway. Fingers crossed our troops moving in a faster mode can get through.

CENTRAL PACFIC: Finally the Graces flew and it was worth the wait. A tanker TF is hit by 21 DBs and it's likely 2 TK and a PF are sunk. Fuel burning is a good sign!

The next day I sent the Graces to Rota in the likelihood that the TFs would move away from Truk, but restricted their searches to stay outside of the CAP area of the nearby bases. It worked, and three more TK are hit plus another PF.

Their work done, these planes will move back to Chichi-Jimi now, although long-range search from marcus will be watching to send them in if another big TF comes through. I'm going to fly in some A6M5 to escort as I think some CVE might find their way out here soon.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 21, 44
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Amphibious Assault at Tarakan (67,91)

TF 357 troops unloading over beach at Tarakan, 67,91

Allied ground losses:
295 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 82 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 43 (0 destroyed, 43 disabled)
Vehicles lost 44 (1 destroyed, 43 disabled) not prepped?

13 troops of a USA Rifle Squad 44 lost overboard during unload of 112th Cavalry Rgt
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 147th(Sep) Infantry Rgt /2

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Morning Air attack on Provisionl Tank Brigade, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Tinian at 112,100

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 4 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
TK Kishwaukee
PF Pueblo
TK Muskogee, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Watertown, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
PF El Paso, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
6 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring TK Watertown

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 10
B-24J Liberator x 37
B-25D1 Mitchell x 16
B-25H Mitchell x 45
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 24

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 7 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 7 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 7
Liberator B.VI x 14
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 47
B-25C Mitchell x 14
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 7
Liberator B.VI x 14
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 47
B-25C Mitchell x 14
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 14
Wellington B.X x 13
B-24J Liberator x 14

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
Wellington B.X: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Wellington B.X bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Tarakan (67,91)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 981 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 47

Defending force 4018 troops, 133 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 116

Assaulting units:
455th Ind.Infantry Battalion
35th Fld AA Gun Co
134th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
112th Cavalry Regiment
109th Tank Attack Regiment
131st Field Artillery Battalion
II Aus Corps Engr Bn /5

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Ground combat at Dili (71,115)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24908 troops, 402 guns, 646 vehicles, Assault Value = 1081

Defending force 11545 troops, 77 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 367

Allied adjusted assault: 679

Japanese adjusted defense: 643

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1241 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 25 disabled
Guns lost 6 (3 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
378 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 12 (2 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (1 destroyed, 23 disabled)

Assaulting units:
2/6th Armoured Regiment
2/5th Armoured Regiment
1st Army Tank Regiment
Americal Infantry Division
7th Australian Division
97th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
134th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
43rd Engineer Regiment
72nd Infantry Brigade
III/66th Naval Guard Unit
3rd Raiding Regiment
124th Infantry Regiment
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
35th JNAF AF Unit
4th Tank Regiment
65th JNAF AF Unit
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 22, 44
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Sub vs Sub: SS Golet attacking SS RO-108 at 62,102 - near Bandjermasin

Japanese Ships
SS RO-108, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Golet

SS Golet launches 2 torpedoes at 3,000 yards

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Sub attack near Iba at 75,71

Japanese Ships
E No.46
E No.10
E No.34

Allied Ships
SS Blower, hits 1

SS Blower launches 2 torpedoes at E No.46
Blower diving deep ....
E No.46 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.46 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Hong Kong at 75,68

Japanese Ships
E Hirado
E Shonan
E Iki

Allied Ships
SS Kraken, hits 7 Two direct critical hits

SS Kraken launches 2 torpedoes at E Hirado
Kraken diving deep ....
E Shonan fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Iki fails to find sub and abandons search
E Shonan fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 35

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 33
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 39

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
49th FG/7th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 11 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
51st FG/16th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 35000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
51st FG/26th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 11 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
348th FG/340th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 11 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
348th FG/341st FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 35000
Raid is overhead
51st FG/449th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 35000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 35

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 33
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 6th Australian Division, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. This is the key!
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-100-I Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 30
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed And they actually do well at this lower altitude agains the beasts!

CAP engaged:
49th FG/7th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
51st FG/16th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 11 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 35000 , scrambling fighters to 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
51st FG/26th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 27000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 104 minutes
348th FG/340th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 27920.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
348th FG/341st FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 35000 , scrambling fighters to 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
51st FG/449th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 35000 , scrambling fighters to 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 346 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 19 Arriving at 35k

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 30
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 29

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 36

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 7
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 254th Armoured Brigade, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 18
D4Y1 Judy x 34
D4Y4 Judy x 49
J2M3 Jack x 45
N1K2-J George x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 79
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 4
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 5 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 3 destroyed by flak
D4Y1 Judy: 11 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 10 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (2 destroyed, 10 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Tinian at 108,95

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 51 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
PF Van Buren, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DM Robert H. Smith
TK Pat Doheny, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
TK Coulie, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
TK Caliche, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
7 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
6 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at 55,59 (near Tavoy)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 48660 troops, 757 guns, 551 vehicles, Assault Value = 2145

Defending force 201718 troops, 2606 guns, 3063 vehicles, Assault Value = 6448

Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

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Reinforcements:

1st Indpt SNLF Coy arrives at Tokyo
E No.144 arrives at Tokyo
ML G-431 arrives at Shimonoseki

Losses:

Loss of SS RO-108 on Nov 22, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

SS Cavalla is reported to have been sunk near Zamboanga on Aug 02, 1944
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Supply is a problem at Truk and most places that have been cut off in the Cent and South Pac areas. Some bases do have a bit more, and I might begin flying some of that back to keep these kinds of strikes viable.
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This unit began as a very experienced set of pilots that were instrumental in suppressing Allied air power n the early war. After 42 the group was renamed and shrunk to 18 planes. It has been renamed again and is still a small group at 18 planes, but filled with good pilots.

While looking at this I noticed one who has been with the group for the duration, Ishi-i, S. He began the war as an experienced pilot and is an actual historical figure, Shizuo Ishi-i with 26 claimed kils. (+3 pre-war).

All of those missions and you'd think he'd have more kills by this point in the war! Maybe the Sam will help out.




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Status: offline 		Erik, what kind of pilots do u put on those Graces? Crack ones trained both on Nav-T and Nav-B? Or simply Naval-B trained pilots?
I find almost impossible to have crack pilots trained at 70 in both skills, especially on LBA groups....

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Erik, what kind of pilots do u put on those Graces? Crack ones trained both on Nav-T and Nav-B? Or simply Naval-B trained pilots?
I find almost impossible to have crack pilots trained at 70 in both skills, especially on LBA groups....


I have a few different groups for different things. A few have pilots trained in both as they are the TB pilots I've always used and they have a good amount of naval bombing training. When not active I usually continue to train this up. Most are around 55 exp with 60-65 nav bomb and 65-70 torp training. All have about 60-70 naval search as well.

This group in the Cent Pac is simply a DB group, and they are around 55 exp with 60-65 naval bombing skill and 60 naval search. Jakes and Myrts are supplementing search to find the TFs out there, but the Graces see most everything anyway.

As I go further into '45 I see the chances of having pilots trained in both to be slim so I've been concentrating on getting 70 skill in either TT or nav bombing for all new pilots and they will add additional in group if there is time. Usually search training to bring up exp. When used the Graces work well if some are bombing and some dropping TT anyway, as the chance of a DB bomb hit with the two bombs goes up dramatically and this can slow ships to get a better chance for the TT to hit.

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Erik, what kind of pilots do u put on those Graces? Crack ones trained both on Nav-T and Nav-B? Or simply Naval-B trained pilots?
I find almost impossible to have crack pilots trained at 70 in both skills, especially on LBA groups....


I have a few different groups for different things. A few have pilots trained in both as they are the TB pilots I've always used and they have a good amount of naval bombing training. When not active I usually continue to train this up. Most are around 55 exp with 60-65 nav bomb and 65-70 torp training. All have about 60-70 naval search as well.

This group in the Cent Pac is simply a DB group, and they are around 55 exp with 60-65 naval bombing skill and 60 naval search. Jakes and Myrts are supplementing search to find the TFs out there, but the Graces see most everything anyway.

As I go further into '45 I see the chances of having pilots trained in both to be slim so I've been concentrating on getting 70 skill in either TT or nav bombing for all new pilots and they will add additional in group if there is time. Usually search training to bring up exp. When used the Graces work well if some are bombing and some dropping TT anyway, as the chance of a DB bomb hit with the two bombs goes up dramatically and this can slow ships to get a better chance for the TT to hit.


Rgr there! Thanks....seems like a wise set up!

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BURMA: Well, we're a few days from knowing the fate of the IJA Burma Army. They're still moving ahead and there was no Allied bombing today. That more than anything makes me worried. There also has been no B-29 bombing for over a week if I remember correctly. Hmmmmmm.

I think tomorrow will prove to be massive. A huge strike on Bangkok is expected. All LR CAP is cancelled in the area, all CAP is stepped up and set to range 0, and we have only a few sweeping groups over Allied troops tomorrow. The good thing is that quite a few Allied groups took big hits during the past week. He could rotate them out, but it just means most likely not as many to strike with if tomorrow is the day. I have Frank 'r' at 35k, J2M5 at 31k, and a lot of Frank 'a' at 31k layered with Georges at 20k, Jacks at 15k, Oscars, Nicks, Tojos and Randys and 10-12k. It's a smorgasbord of IJ fighters here. Only one group of Oscars will completely commit to escorting the Peggys, and if I'm wrong and he puts 200 fighters over the troops I'll lose a bunch of planes there. Well, got to protect if I can and still attempt to strike, so there is no alternative.

If my calculations are correct, it should be another 2-3 days for troops to reach the clear. I've begun to move some units to spring open a hex side. Hopefully they will survive the river crossing. If I was a betting man I'd put a lot of money on the Allies here. Anyone giving odds?

SUBS: Jocke left the Sea Robin hanging around Iba for two days, and the ASW TF sent to knock it out only managed two hits when the E attacking ran out of DCs. The Moray is also hit hard in the middle of the South China Sea.

DEI: The evac is still moving ahead nicely. Oil and fuel are still moving up toward the HI. Soerabaja is still an air hub and Lomblen is nearing a shut down date once I can get a few more things out of the area. A few brigades from down here are now being sent to Hainan.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: Air HQs are moving around to blanket the area with possible launch pads for waves of kamis and other strikes should anything less than a full Allied CV fleet assault group move in. A large reserve army of about 2k AV is moving down from Tuyun to add to the 1k AV at Hong Kong and the 2k AV at Canton.

CENTRAL PACFIC: There are still a lot of ships hovering around the Marianas. I turned search back on full to get a good look, lost some Jakes and see a lot of ships and not many fighters on CAP. I'm getting escorts and sweepers ready and in about a week I might be able to strike something hard here if things remain the same.

PI: It's a big wait here. The Allies look to be securing more distant and 'safer' bases to bring in more troops at Naga and Legaspi. I'll most likely allow this unless something looks vulnerable. The 3k AV in Manila is prepped and forts are at 7. Supply is topped up. I have about 1400 AS here, so I can bring in even more than is here now easily.

At rear bases I've placed some full divisions either as reserve or to protect against any other moves around the island. Jocke's move on the clear hex at Cotabato was a great move, and I'd liked to keep that from being easy at least this time. The KB will be back in action soon. Only a few more to upgrade to Sams and the Hiryu is out of repair yards at a Nagasaki in two days. Hiyo will come out in 9 days. Kaga is released in 25 days and Akagi will be ready in 31 days. I will of course only use this force if I can really get to something important, like troops on ships. It's too valuable a deterrent to run it all around now and I just won't have the fuel anyway. I think we're out of sight for now. Fingers crossed.

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ASW attack near Iba at 76,70

Japanese Ships
E Manju
E Shonan
E Iki

Allied Ships
SS Moray, hits 10 Two direct critical hits.

SS Moray is located by E Manju
E Shonan fails to find sub and abandons search
E Iki attacking submerged sub ....
E Iki fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Iba at 78,75

Japanese Ships
E No.10
E No.46
E No.34

Allied Ships
SS Sea Robin, hits 2 This sub has been sitting at Iba for a few turns. Not sure if he forgot it or if this is some kind of a recon/test mission, either to my response or of the base. Or maybe now that he's got bases close he wants to draw my ASW in to hit them? I've got some Jacks at Iba in case. Sent in another TF as well for tomorrow.

SS Sea Robin is sighted by escort
Sea Robin bottoming out ....
E No.34 fails to find sub and abandons search
E No.46 attacking submerged sub ....
E No.46 is out of ASW ammo
E No.46 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Afternoon Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 18

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x A7M2 Sam sweeping at 31000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 41st Infantry Division, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 24

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 35000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Cavalry Regiment, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 39
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 9
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 59

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
14 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 77th Chindit Brigade ...
Also attacking 254th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th Cavalry Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 77th Chindit Brigade ...
Also attacking 254th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th Cavalry Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 77th Chindit Brigade ...
Also attacking 18th Cavalry Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 41st Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 77th Chindit Brigade ...
Also attacking 254th Armoured Brigade ...

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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd British Division, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 77th Chindit Brigade, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Tarakan (67,91)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 564 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Defending force 4204 troops, 133 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 135

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
455th Ind.Infantry Battalion
35th Fld AA Gun Co
134th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
112th Cavalry Regiment
131st Field Artillery Battalion
109th Tank Attack Regiment
II Aus Corps Engr Bn /5

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Reinforcements: none.

Losses: none.

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of SS KXV incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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This is it. A few more days an we'll find out who wins the race. No matter what happens I'll lose some units here. Some of the AA especially just won't be able to keep up and will get wiped out once the main force moves on, if indeed it can. Again, I'm not betting on it.
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BURMA: Well, happily I was wrong. No obliteration of Bangkok yet, and it may have to wait a few days as the Allies hit a wall of flak over our main force and they sent everything in. On the day it looks like about 30+ 4E lost and a number of 2E as well. Unfortunately I did meet a mass of LR CAP over the Allied forces and lost a good number of Peggy (T). I have a pool of these now, and while they're expensive, this isn't crippling. The pilots are all older experienced ground bombing pilots from the early days, not the recently trained TT pilots, so that is good as well. On the day 68 go down.

The air totals for the day aren't too bad considering all of those 4Es are lost: 58/123. A few Oscars also go down but our Tojo escorts are somehow completely by-passed and don't suffer a loss. That sucks, as 49 Tojo with mediocre pilots were there and were meant to be getting bombers through.

Our sweeps (as I mentioned in the last post) were small today and they didn't do well. The Sams were crushed, the Ki-100 fared even worse and the Frank 'r' got 1:1 so saved a bit of respectability, but none took out or wore down enough CAP to make a difference for the bombers. Tomorrow will be quiet, with everything on CAP and recovery, and the next day I'll likely try bombing again. The Allied bomber fleets should be worn down for tomorrow so I don't expect any big moves.

SUBS: A good day for ASW as one sub is hit hard by DDs and another is sunk by an E escoting our LSTs in the South DEI.

DEI: Tarakan falls, not surprisingly. This should give a local source of fuel for the Allies. I forgot to check if any is damaged, but he didn't shock this time so I think it's probably not.

S PI: The Allies land as expected at Legaspi. I don't send anything for tomorrow. Our strike planes are not in position and his Cap is too strong and close here anyway. I want to save up a bit right now for any move around the other side of the PI or into the South China Sea.

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Sub attack near Bandjermasin at 62,101

Japanese Ships
DD Kuroshio
DD Natsushio

Allied Ships
SS Hawkbill, hits 7

SS Hawkbill launches 2 torpedoes at DD Kuroshio
Hawkbill bottoming out ....
DD Natsushio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Natsushio attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Kangean at 59,106

Japanese Ships
LST T-133
E No.2
APD T-7
APD T-3

Allied Ships
SS Redfin, hits 19, and is sunk

SS Redfin launches 2 torpedoes at LST T-133
E No.2 attacking submerged sub ....
E No.2 attacking submerged sub ....
SS Redfin forced to surface!
APD T-3 firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington B.X x 13
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-17F Fortress x 5
B-24D Liberator x 6
B-24D1 Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 71
B-25C Mitchell x 6
B-25D1 Mitchell x 16
B-25H Mitchell x 47
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 8
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 13

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 6 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 23 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25C Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 28 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 3 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
183 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 134th JAAF AF Bn , at 67,91 (Tarakan)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-102a Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 17
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-24J Liberator x 10
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 19
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 11

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 9 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 18
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 50
P-51D Mustang x 27
F4U-1A Corsair x 38
F6F-5 Hellcat x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 21 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 37000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
No.1834 Sqn FAA with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
VMF-115 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 12 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
VMF-322 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Raid is overhead
VMF-323 with F4U-1A Corsair (13 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Raid is overhead
No.17 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
No.30 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
No.67 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
No.81 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
No.113 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
No.134 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
No.135 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 7 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
1st ACG/5th FS (C) with P-51D Mustang (13 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Raid is overhead
1st ACG/6th FS (C) with P-51D Mustang (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 13 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
49th FG/7th FS with P-51D Mustang (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-100-I Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 41
P-51D Mustang x 23
F4U-1A Corsair x 34
F6F-5 Hellcat x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-I Tony: 8 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 254th Armoured Brigade, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 21

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 34
P-51D Mustang x 23
F4U-1A Corsair x 32
F6F-5 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Cavalry Regiment, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 33
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 30

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 30
P-51D Mustang x 22
F4U-1A Corsair x 30
F6F-5 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 12 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
2 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 255th Indian Tank Brigade, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 49
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 9
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 29

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 29
P-51D Mustang x 22
F4U-1A Corsair x 20
F6F-5 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 255th Indian Tank Brigade, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 15

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 29
P-51D Mustang x 22
F4U-1A Corsair x 7
F6F-5 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 10 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 50th Tank Brigade, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 15

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 29
P-51D Mustang x 21
F4U-1A Corsair x 6
F6F-5 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 10 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Ground combat at Dili (71,115)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 606 troops, 51 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 1469

Defending force 10712 troops, 74 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 301

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Army Tank Regiment
Americal Infantry Division
2/5th Armoured Regiment
7th Australian Division
2/6th Armoured Regiment
3rd Australian Division
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
134th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
72nd Infantry Brigade
124th Infantry Regiment
III/66th Naval Guard Unit
3rd Raiding Regiment
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
35th JNAF AF Unit
4th Tank Regiment
43rd Engineer Regiment
65th JNAF AF Unit

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Ground combat at Tarakan (67,91)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4251 troops, 135 guns, 100 vehicles, Assault Value = 142

Defending force 1307 troops, 24 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Allied adjusted assault: 54

Japanese adjusted defense: 4

Allied assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied forces CAPTURE Tarakan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
535 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 31 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (8 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

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Reinforcements:

DD Sakura arrives at Kobe
E No.72 arrives at Tokyo
10th Ind.Mixed Regiment arrives at Tokyo

Losses: none.

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of DD Bryant incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
SS Redfin is reported to have been sunk near Kangean on Nov 24, 1944
SS Becuna is reported to have been sunk near Cam Ranh Bay on Oct 26, 1944
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The P-51D showed up today, and these guys will likely change things a bit. He gets a lot of them, and they will be in addition to the P-47, Corsairs and Spits. Yuck.
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Yeah, but the "D" model doesn't have the range of the "H" model ... and your Franks match up with it ok ...


Good to hear! I need some encouragement about these things right now. There is a lot of stuff that looks very tough on paper but of course it's all in how you use it I guess.

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BURMA: As expected a quiet day with no Allied bombing and continued troop movement. My nerves are shot now. This is taking a LONG time to sort out and I still fear the worst. Some Allied units have moved into the hex outside of Bangkok across the river. I'm assuming it's a division and tank unit, but I'm reconning and bombing with some DBs tomorrow. So far he hasn't split his LR CAP over all of these units, but maybe he will now considering how good I've been at predicting things lately.

I'm trying something new here this time. I'll explain after I see the results.

Some more supply is unloading and another small dose siphoned off of Miri is the last to arrive for another week. Should top things up nicely for now.

PI: Supply is also landing at Lingayen and topping up the big bases. Hard to keep everything in the full zone with the planes here and a lot the ground units filling out still.

Allied ships are still unloading at Legaspi. He must be landing a lot there, as the Allies usually only need one day. I'll lend a little tester out there tomorrow to see if anything is still around.

The last arty unit needed to complete a division at Apparri wil be bought out in a few days and shipped in. That'll complete the preparation for this siege. About 5k AV total on the island and a lot of engineers and support. If we get steamrolled here I won't be taking this stuff off in a hurry, if at all. It's a bit of a last stand.

SUBS: Lost an E to the SS Spot today near Samah. Only a few hits on the sub.

DEI: Interesting. Even more has been moved into Dili. A DA gets a 1:1 and this will be a matter of days now. The brigade is nearly out of Rota and Koepang is also being vacated by air at a slow rate. Lomblen will be evacuated once Dili falls.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: Went through the myriad of units and fragments at Saigon today and feel sightly better about the scattered nature of things now. I've allocated base forces and other units to the Chinese coast and some others to get more into the islands around Formosa and onto the smaller bases there. A lot is moving through Haiphong to use the rail and the shallow Chinese coast.

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ASW attack near Samah at 72,64

Japanese Ships
E No.22, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
E No.24

Allied Ships
SS Spot, hits 2

SS Spot launches 2 torpedoes at E No.22
Spot diving deep ....
E No.24 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.24 attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Ground combat at Dili (71,115)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36335 troops, 533 guns, 809 vehicles, Assault Value = 1476

Defending force 10701 troops, 74 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 301

Allied adjusted assault: 935

Japanese adjusted defense: 659

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1434 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 123 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 15 (3 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
238 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 66 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 19 (4 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Americal Infantry Division
2/6th Armoured Regiment
1st Army Tank Regiment
2/5th Armoured Regiment
7th Australian Division
3rd Australian Division
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
134th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
124th Infantry Regiment
III/66th Naval Guard Unit
3rd Raiding Regiment
72nd Infantry Brigade
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
4th Tank Regiment
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
43rd Engineer Regiment
35th JNAF AF Unit
65th JNAF AF Unit

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Ground combat at 55,59 (near Tavoy)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 48838 troops, 757 guns, 551 vehicles, Assault Value = 2157

Defending force 201566 troops, 2590 guns, 3059 vehicles, Assault Value = 6445

Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Ground combat at 68,100 (near Donggala)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4484 troops, 119 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 196

Defending force 1231 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Allied adjusted assault: 42

Japanese adjusted defense: 31

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
11th Airborne Division

Defending units:
4th Naval Construction Battalion
41st JNAF AF Unit
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Reinforcements:

Repairs completed on CV Hiryu at Nagasaki/Sasebo, ship returned to service
42nd Recon Regiment arrives at Tokyo
120th Division arrives at Heijo
19th RF Gun Battalion arrives at Tokyo
MTB G-1013 arrives at Yokohama/Yokosuka
DD Nara arrives at Maizuru

Losses:

Loss of E No.22 on Nov 25, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of CVL Princeton incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
Previous report of sinking of SS S-39 incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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Here is the mess. Just in case troops do make it through I'll hedge my bets and try to open the hex from two sides, one across the river and the other through the hex next to Bangkok. The troops near Bangkok are two units of unknown strength, but I have three divisions and a brigade in motion to cross. Of course if these break through and supply goes to the big stack I could even consider an attack there. I can't think like that yet though. It makes me a bit sick. I expect a major defeat here after not breaking out.
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Here is the state of things. The large Allied fleets have likely finished unloading after this turn, but I'm not completely sure as the base shows 'only' 31k+ troops. If there are more I could surprise a bit this turn. I decided to experiment with what I could do having one level 8 and one level 9 base next to each other with an accumulated 2100 AS in Clark/Manila. If a force is still here something big may happen. I've got about 8 sweeps going including Frank 'r' at max (for the first time) and a bunch of Frank 'a' and Georges. Lots of escorts and a few kami unit to supplement DBs and TBs.

The Allied LR CAP could be tired if it's day 3 here but it is only 4 hexes distant. It'll be a bit until a CAP in base is viable as this is a level 1 field, but Naga I think is level 3-4 so that will provide one soon.

In case this is a fiasco I've moved a few fresh fighter groups into range to cover Manila for a bit, but I also have about 500 engineers there, so it could bounce back quickly if struck.




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RETREAT CUT OFF!

BURMA: This was a hard turn for one reason only; the Burmy Army is blocked by an Alied unit transiting the hex side one day before ours made it through. It sucks but i'm learning a lot and I'm still looking to see if there are positives in this situation. Currently this huge army will aim to move to another adjacent hex that is still open. I first tried the one with the single Allied unit in it, but I'm now going to try the empty hex to the NE. This is also jungle rough so it will be a slow transfer and there is little hope of getting supply in or finding a route out of the encirclement. I'll write more about the station in a full post dedicated to how it happened and some of the things I've discovered through the process.

In the air sweeps did well and got the Cap worn down enough to allow ground strikes which unfortunately couldn't keep the Allies back for another day. Good to know that offensive missions are still possible though. Some of the units to the sides of the main blocking army were hits as well while sitting in the clear.

SUBS: A few hits on the Blower near Iba.

DEI: Dili is heading downhill fast, and Lomblen is now emptied of fighters. The base forces are being pulled back by air to Soearabaja. Won't likely get the radar units which is too bad. Roving Fletchers are around.

PI: Sweeps do very well at Legaspi and completely remove a massive Allied CAP from the air getting almost 1:1 on the day. The Frank 'r' get about 2:1 against all comers. Only about 1/3 of the air strikes go today which is really frustrating considering all of the support is there and escorts were abundant. No Peggy (T) fly out of about 150 at Manila, only about half of the Grace and Judy groups go and luckily the Frances save the day with two hits on the Prince of Wales in the morning, then another sinking the ship outright in the afternoon.

This could have been a devastation but only one other hit is scored on a CA. Maybe the culprit was supply at Manila being in the yellow flag area, even though there is 37k there. Still one of the Clark groups didn't go either, and a Frances group went without escort while a few escort groups sat back at base. One of these days if everything goes, and especially after we get all groups filled with Frank 'r' and Sam, we could do something big around here. The one caveat is that Jocke doesn't know about what didn't fly and may assume this is all I was willing to commit. The loss of a fast BB hurts, but man, we could have gotten ALL of them if the Peggy (T) flew in the afternoon when the CAP was exhausted.

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ASW attack near Iba at 75,71

Japanese Ships
E Iki
E Shonan

Allied Ships
SS Blower, hits 7

SS Blower is located by E Iki
Blower diving deep ....
E Shonan fails to find sub and abandons search
E Iki fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Iki attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Legaspi , at 82,82

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 43,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 28
P-38L Lightning x 13
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 65
F6F-3 Hellcat x 17
F6F-5 Hellcat x 55

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 8 destroyed

CAP engaged:
VF-3 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 17 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
VF-6 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 19 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
VF-18 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 19 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
VF-71 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 17 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
35th FG/39th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 12 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
35th FG/40th FS with P-38J Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 15 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
35th FG/41st FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
347th FG/67th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 12 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
18th FG/78th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 12 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead
81st FG/91st FS with P-38J Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
81st FG/93rd FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead
58th FG/311th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 8 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
311th FG/530th FS with P-38L Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 13 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 18th British Division, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
P-40N5 Warhawk x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
45 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Legaspi , at 82,82

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 24
P-38L Lightning x 13
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 41
F6F-3 Hellcat x 15
F6F-5 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 43

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 44
P-51B Mustang x 76
F6F-5 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 39

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 31
P-51B Mustang x 75
F6F-5 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-51B Mustang: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Southeast Asia , at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 49

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 24
P-51B Mustang x 65
F6F-5 Hellcat x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 82,82

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 36
N1K1-J George x 30
N1K2-J George x 15
P1Y2 Frances x 18

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 14
P-38L Lightning x 12
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 36
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13
F6F-5 Hellcat x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 7 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 10 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
P1Y2 Frances: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 2
CA Vincennes
APA Dauphin

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
10 x N1K2-J George sweeping at 5000 feet
10 x J2M3 Jack sweeping at 10000 feet *
10 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 5000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 82,82

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 36

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 9
P-38L Lightning x 7
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 17
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5
F6F-5 Hellcat x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 13 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 36th British Division, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y4 Judy x 45
J2M5 Jack x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y4 Judy: 3 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 800 kg GP Bomb
7 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 800 kg GP Bomb
21 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 800 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 82,82

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 24
N1K2-J George x 51

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 7
P-38L Lightning x 7
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 10
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5
F6F-5 Hellcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 10 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 4 destroyed by flak
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CA Chester
DD Brush
CA Minneapolis
CA San Francisco
DD Fletcher

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x B7A2 Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 57,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 35
N1K2-J George x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000' *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 57,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on 255th Indian Tank Brigade, at 56,60 , near Ayuthia

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 36

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 20
P-51B Mustang x 52
F6F-5 Hellcat x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Afternoon Air attack on Legaspi , at 82,82

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 36

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 19
P-38L Lightning x 7
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 50
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13
F6F-5 Hellcat x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Legaspi , at 82,82

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 42,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 6
P-38L Lightning x 1
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 28
F6F-3 Hellcat x 9
F6F-5 Hellcat x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 3 destroyed
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 38270 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Legaspi , at 82,82

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 48

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 1
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 15
F6F-3 Hellcat x 3
F6F-5 Hellcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 31000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Legaspi , at 82,82

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 11
F6F-3 Hellcat x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
37 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 31000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Legaspi , at 82,82

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
45 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 31000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 82,82

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 110 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 15
J2M3 Jack x 10
N1K1-J George x 36
P1Y2 Frances x 13

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 2 damaged
P1Y2 Frances: 4 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CA Vincennes
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
11 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 5000 feet
6 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 10000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 82,82

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 9
N1K2-J George x 24
P1Y2 Frances x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 10 damaged
P1Y2 Frances: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Columbia
DD Kimberly
CL Mjollner
CL Biloxi

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 82,82

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y3 Judy x 16
J2M3 Jack x 35
J2M5 Jack x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 5 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CA Chicago, Bomb hits 1
CA Minneapolis

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
9 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at Dili (71,115)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35867 troops, 531 guns, 810 vehicles, Assault Value = 1417

Defending force 9327 troops, 70 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 188

Allied adjusted assault: 733

Japanese adjusted defense: 243

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2522 casualties reported
Squads: 53 destroyed, 76 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 15 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 15 (4 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
256 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

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Reinforcements: Now I see how fruitless this research project was. The Patsy arriving in early 45 instead would have been very well used.

Aircraft Ki-95 advances R&D

Losses: none.

Ships Sunk: At last. This ship took 3 TT in the DEI in early 42 and got away, so I'm glad I was able to get confirmation this time around. That's two BB sunk or damaged enough to be out of the war for the remainder just this month. We still have all of the IJN BB including Yamato and Musashi which are repairing damage.

BB Prince of Wales is reported to have been sunk near Legaspi on Nov 26, 1944
DD Rowe is reported to have been sunk near Umnak Island on Oct 23, 1944
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What a gorgeous ship. Another BB gone for the Allies is great, and each strike like this limits what happens next. I'm sure the perception is that there are plenty to go around, but with all IJN BBs still remaining and areas to use them around the next targets close to home there should be some interesting upcoming battles.
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I guess I can't really keep calling this Burma anymore.

So here is a little summary of how the fiasco happened with this big army being encircled. I made numerous mistakes here and there is little reason for this to have happened. I'm upset with my play but clear in my understanding, so at least I've learned a few things from this.

September 26, 1944: In the first map the Allied armies are held at bay near Moulmein and the withdrawal is gradually progressing. A lot of arty and some brigades head back and I prepare to send the entire army within weeks.

October 7, 1944: The Allies land at Tavoy and this signals the moment to really move back the whole bunch. Unfortunately I start a few days late and head the wrong direction with my large stack. I was confident in being able to hold the road to Bangkok and getting these troops through. I should have sent all through Raheng and there would have been no danger.

October 28, 1944: The tanks leading the retreat back started literally one day too late to reach the troops in the blocking hex before the Allied army from Tavoy attacked. I anticipated a quicker transit by the tanks but I did learn a lot on the way. As these troops were being bombed daily their movement in 'move' mode was slowed as they went into 'combat' mode. At some point I put one in reserve mode to decrease disruption and fatigue from the bombing and it amazingly kept moving at 'move' mode pace. I knew this but didn't know it wouldn't be knocked out back to 'combat' mode with the daily bombings. If I had had them in reserve the entire journey they would have made it with several days to spare.

November 11, 1944: The Allies gain the road and we run for the only opening available with the big stack; straight ahead. These troops are put in reserve and I also learn they still shoot at attacking air strikes, knocking down hundreds of Allied bombers over these weeks, and they never have to leave reserve. Only at the end when the Allied troops enter the same hex do they get knocked into 'combat' mode after the movement resolution, and I can just switch them back for the next day. They miss getting through the hex side by one day again!

November 28, 1944: Well, we'll keep on slogging through jungles and see if the Allies follow. No other option I see, unless I simply sit on the road and wait as this Allied stack keeps us in a +3 terrain prison without even needing to attack. I might rather bring all of this mess to the NE and try to at least Banzai shock across a river or something. Let me know if you have other thoughts.




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