Slitherine

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Anyone else with a request?

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ORIGINAL: Turner

The Ta152 is not overpowered, the availability date is. So don't kill the a/c performance over a issue related to production. The issue can be dealt with by imposing linear research restrictions as a house rule. More variants of the 190D/152 should be added instead to further delay the late 152 models.

The quick fix would be to up engine req to 2, that would very effectively delay its entry date.

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The quick fix would be to up engine req to 2, that would very effectively delay its entry date.

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ORIGINAL: Turner

I've already started working on the stats for the 190D-11 & 13, if forced to build those before researching the Ta152 that would push its entry date way back. It is a more historically accurate way to deal with the 152. If you just kill its performance the game easily become unwinnable to the axis player.

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ORIGINAL: K 19

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The quick fix would be to up engine req to 2, that would very effectively delay its entry date.

Ah, I see! Your quick fix idea to up FW-190 engine requirements to 2 is very easy to implement. No problem there.

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ORIGINAL: Turner

I've already started working on the stats for the 190D-11 & 13, if forced to build those before researching the Ta152 that would push its entry date way back. It is a more historically accurate way to deal with the 152. If you just kill its performance the game easily become unwinnable to the axis player.

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ORIGINAL: K 19

I think the easiest way to deal with the problem of the Ta-52 being too good too early (without changing it's performance stats or affecting it's fuel requirements) is to greatly increase it's repair/maintenance times. That way (regardless of production amounts or dates) they will be grounded much longer with fewer sorties, but still have the same performance. There's really no way to mod production times, production trees, or other values with the editor.

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ORIGINAL: Turner

Well I am not convinced about that concept. Historically some days German pilots flew up to three sorties, as it is that is sometimes possible and the current maintenance times feel right. I don't understand the Ta152 aversion, you can limit the impact by use of house rules. To mod existing types further f ex replace the 109Z with a later 190D model and make house rules enforcing the 190D types to be operational before 152 research is allowed. That would fix the issue in a very historical manner. Two types to research before 152s would enforce a 6 month delay or so, mid '44 maybe.

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ORIGINAL: K 19

If you are only talking about house play by email rules against a human player, then of course your idea will work. But a lot of people don't play other humans through email. Most only play against the computer. As we all know, the computer player won't voluntarily follow house rules.

I guess we could release two different mod versions. I still want to stick with working on the regular mod version myself. But if anyone wants to tackle modding the pbem version aimed towards house rules, please do.

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ORIGINAL: npsergio

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ORIGINAL: K 19

If you are only talking about house play by email rules against a human player, then of course your idea will work. But a lot of people don't play other humans through email. Most only play against the computer. As we all know, the computer player won't voluntarily follow house rules.

I guess we could release two different mod versions. I still want to stick with working on the regular mod version myself. But if anyone wants to tackle modding the pbem version aimed towards house rules, please do.

Of course you're right. House rules can only be agreed between human players.
Maybe the 2 engines cost for the Ta is a good idea to slow the production (even if I don't like it too much, because there is not any historical reason in it, I think). But I think that a change in the stats is something to do carefully. I mean, I'm playing the 44 campaign and I'm in final may 44. All those months I have litterally lost hundred of Bf 109G6 because of the US super fighters (P-47 and P-51). I learnt to fight them trying to minimize my own losses... But I think that the stats maybe are correct (aren't they?). If the allies find the Ta unstopable, maybe they have to adjust their strategy? But I'm not sure if it's fair to reduce the Ta his stats, unless they have been overpowered by the developers.
Probably making this moddel harder to produce and raising repairing times could have a result reducing the Tas production and general availability of planes due to repairs and maintenance.
I think that usually JGs had a good number of planes grounded in maintenance and repair due to lack of supplies (am I correct?).
Is not possible to change the abailability date of the axis planes? If it's possible, it could be a possibility to add some months to the historic (?) date. That will force the axis side to waste resources in research only to receive the planes in the historic data, and a "real effort" in research and lost production in order to advanve that date in late war wonderweapons.
Just some thinking about it... I hope that it will helps.
I can't say anything about the allied side, because i have not a lot of experience in this game and i know better the luftwaffe side.