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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/20/2013 6:32:44 PM

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A Stuka flies to each of the two target hexes. Three out of the four units were disorganised, including two in Amsterdam.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/20/2013 7:12:31 PM

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Three attacks this turn. North of Hengyang, Chiang gives defensive ground support to his stack and Umezu does the same for the attackers, A Ki-30 (Ann) flies to the hex to bring the odds up a level

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/20/2013 7:15:08 PM

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In Holland, two German bombers fly to Amsterdam to try and increase the odds to 2:1. There is no reply from the CW due to range.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/20/2013 7:18:44 PM

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The Japanese attack is played out first. Its 5:1 with no modifiers and the Chinese plump for the Assault table.

A 6 is rolled - both Chinese units are destroyed for no loss - a great start to the turn for the Japanese. In two turns that's the Chinese fighter and Chiang out of the equation...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/20/2013 7:25:20 PM

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Glad to see you back, in the thick of things!

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/20/2013 7:27:26 PM

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Next up its the Battle for Amsterdam. The odds were brought up to 2:1 and the Germans have a +2 modifier. Not surprisingly the Assault table is chosen in order to hurt the attacking forces.

The result is an 8 (10). The attacking units are disorganised but inflict two loses + a shattered result on the defenders. On the basis there is nowhere to retreat to, the Germans convert to retreat.

In the north, the battle now becomes an automatic victory for the Germans. Suddenly the Axis have a spring in their step.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/20/2013 7:53:32 PM

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For the Allied impulse its a case of getting the Royal Navy to sea for their shore bombardment factors, and generally tidying up the French defence. The problem for the Germans will be a lack of aircraft - and so an attack on the French rather than the CW is more likely.

In China, the Chinese decide to maintain the river line rather than pull back - forcing the Japanese to attack if they want to make up ground.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 4:29:59 AM

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The weather takes a turn for the worse - snow and rain in Europe and China respectively. At a -2 odds level, this pretty much ends Germany's hopes for this impulse. The impulse comes to a very quick end..

The Allies all pass to try and bring the turn to an end and succeeds. The Axis will be desperate for some better weather next turn...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 4:35:39 AM

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End of Turn

With the Japanese looking somewhat handy, the Americans choose build Chinese aircraft and send resources to China. This is the state of US Entry as a result:

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 4:46:23 AM

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Production

Germany:
2 x Infantry
Gneisenau
2 x Pilot
Fighter
Submarine

Italy:
Nav Air
Pilot

Japan:
Atago
Musashi (1st cycle)
Junyo (1st cycle)
Infantry
Pilot
Armour Div

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 4:52:20 AM

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Production

China:
2 x Infantry

CW:
Queen Elizabeth
Indomitable
Indefatigable (1st cycle)
Armour
Fighter

France:
Fighter
Pilot

USA:
Atlanta and Juneau (both 1st cycle)
Marine
Pilot
Carrier Air

USSR:
3 x Infantry
Infantry HQ

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 4:55:23 AM

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End of Turn

Holland was conquered by Germany. Its roll time....

Jacob van Heemskerck (in the Construction Pool) is to be incorporated into the Kriegsmarine.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 5:04:30 AM

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Reinforcement

Germany:
2 x Me-109
2 x Infantry
Mechanised

Italy:
Submarine and Roma have been placed in the Construction Pool
Z.506B
Littorio
Infantry

Japan:
Kashima
Infantry

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 5:08:36 AM

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Reinforcement

China:
Infantry

CW:
Beaufort
Wellington
Illustrious
Fiji
Bonaventure

France:
MS406
Infantry

USA:
North Carolina and Washington placed in the Construction Pool
Dauntless
Hudson

USSR:
I-153
3 x Infantry

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 5:12:00 AM

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Weather and Initiative

The Allies win the Initiative and the weather is Fine everywhere

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 5:58:03 AM

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The Allies win the Initiative and the weather is Fine everywhere

Allied initiative is bad for the Axis going into France. OtOH, if the rolls break for the axis they could very well get back to back impulses.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 6:56:52 AM

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The Allies win the Initiative and the weather is Fine everywhere

Allied initiative is bad for the Axis going into France. OtOH, if the rolls break for the axis they could very well get back to back impulses.

warspite1

True, although I don't think there is too much they can/should do. Its for the Germans to break their pretty solid defence.

I might have to start to think about bringing Italy in to try and help out - although that wouldn't really fit with my goal of keeping a realistic focus i.e. Mussolini only declared war because he thought it was won. Had Hitler got bogged down in the Low Countries he would no doubt have stayed out.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 7:22:59 AM

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The Allies do little once again. The hope is that by sitting back in their defensive positions the Germans will break themselves against the wall of units they can defend with. The impulse is limited to putting the RN to sea and ensuring the French troop placement is optimised - a just-arrived 6-3 Infantry takes its place in the front line.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 7:38:32 AM

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The Germans decide to attack Brussels. Two aircraft - a Stuka and a Ju-88 are available for a ground strike attempt. The RAF can get 7 fighter strength to the Belgian capital, while the Germans can get 10. The RAF decide to fly on the basis that the Armee de l'air is still intact and can wreak some havoc when the Luftwaffe is spent. The Germans fly interception with just 8 points - keeping two fighters in reserve for the French.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 7:58:27 AM

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The Great Air Battle over Brussels is about to sprout forth - Brussels, Sprout, geddit? No? Okay

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The Luftwaffe have a 6.2:5.8 advantage (not that that did them any good last turn) and the Allies throw first.

Round 1

13 (No effect)
The Germans counter with an 11 (DC) There are no Allied bombers to clear and so is effectively no effect.

Round 2

5 (DX) The Germans have to decide whether to lose their front fighter or bomber. They choose the fighter.. another Me-109 bites the dust (the pilot survives).
8 (DA) The Germans abort the RAF Spitfire. That round is firmly in favour of the CW.

Round 3
The German superiority grows as they have another 5 quality to the RAF's 4. On the basis that they have been lucky so far, the RAF decide to ride their luck and stick around.

Incredible!! its a 19 (AX PX) The CW get to choose which front aircraft to destroy (the pilot is killed). They choose the fighter.
14 (DA) The Germans are really not getting the rub of the green here....

Round 4
The German superiority(

) is down to 0.3. The RAF obviously choose to stick around.

14 (DA) The Germans decide whether to abort the front fighter or bomber. They choose the fighter
13 (No effect) Oh dear.....

Round 5
The RAF now have a full 1.0 advantage.

15 (AA) The Allies choose to abort the German fighter
15 (No effect)

Round 6
The Germans feel they have no choice but to stay and fight and hope to get lucky. They have no fighters left and are at a disadvantage 2.0:4.0 - but the CW cannot maintain this level of luck can they?.....

Er yes...16 (DX PX) The Ju-88 is shot down and the pilot killed...
15 (DA) The last Hurricane is aborted.

So at the end of that, the Germans lose three aircraft and two pilots for no loss, despite having the clear advantage for most of the combat....amazing. A lone Stuka gets through to the target hex...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:00:08 AM

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The Stuka has a 50% success rate....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:08:12 AM

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There will be two attacks this turn. In Belgium Gort and Rundstedt give HQ Support and the Germans bring two bombers to the hex to try and up the odds a notch

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:13:19 AM

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The attack against Changsha is first. The Chinese choose the Assault table and....

...what a turn for the Axis; they throw a 1... The Japanese lose 2 units and all are disorganised. The Chinese suffer one loss. What a terrible blow...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:16:50 AM

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Meanwhile chez Brussels, the CW also choose the Assault for this 4:1 +1 attack.

The Germans gain some measure of revenge for their battering in the air by throwing a 7. Both British motorised corps are destroyed for no loss.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:21:39 AM

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Antwerp suddenly becomes the most important hex on the map...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:23:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: WarHunter

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ORIGINAL: warspite1
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Weather and Initiative
The Allies win the Initiative and the weather is Fine everywhere

Allied initiative is bad for the Axis going into France. OtOH, if the rolls break for the axis they could very well get back to back impulses.

warspite1

True, although I don't think there is too much they can/should do. Its for the Germans to break their pretty solid defence.

I might have to start to think about bringing Italy in to try and help out - although that wouldn't really fit with my goal of keeping a realistic focus i.e. Mussolini only declared war because he thought it was won. Had Hitler got bogged down in the Low Countries he would no doubt have stayed out.

You have already changed some of the historical events. Axis invaded Netherlands and Belgium ahead of schedule and CW sent more help than they did historically. Germany botched this invasion and that is one of the reasons that Germany has a hard time at the moment.

Who knows how Mussolini had reacted if Adolf had thrown a fit over the failure in the low countries and demanded a second front, in Italy, versus France.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:27:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: warspite1
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Weather and Initiative
The Allies win the Initiative and the weather is Fine everywhere

Allied initiative is bad for the Axis going into France. OtOH, if the rolls break for the axis they could very well get back to back impulses.

warspite1

True, although I don't think there is too much they can/should do. Its for the Germans to break their pretty solid defence.

I might have to start to think about bringing Italy in to try and help out - although that wouldn't really fit with my goal of keeping a realistic focus i.e. Mussolini only declared war because he thought it was won. Had Hitler got bogged down in the Low Countries he would no doubt have stayed out.

You have already changed some of the historical events. Axis invaded Netherlands and Belgium ahead of schedule and CW sent more help than they did historically. Germany botched this invasion and that is one of the reasons that Germany has a hard time at the moment.

Who knows how Mussolini had reacted if Adolf had thrown a fit over the failure in the low countries and demanded a second front, in Italy, versus France.

warspite1

No that's not what I said. The intention is not to recreate WWII but to make the actions of the leaders in line with their real life goals, capabilities etc. That is why, despite it being a sensible ploy in the game, I have not invaded Denmark with the Germans. Hitler had no need to attack a "Germanic" country. He needed Denmark to secure Norway. Norway was only a target because of British and French shenanigans.

Had it not been for bad weather, Hitler would have ordered Case Yellow in the autumn of 1939. I think it was postponed about three times...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:27:55 AM

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Beware of Japanese attempts to infiltrate the Chinese rear areas.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:35:58 AM

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Weather and Initiative
The Allies win the Initiative and the weather is Fine everywhere

Allied initiative is bad for the Axis going into France. OtOH, if the rolls break for the axis they could very well get back to back impulses.

warspite1

True, although I don't think there is too much they can/should do. Its for the Germans to break their pretty solid defence.

I might have to start to think about bringing Italy in to try and help out - although that wouldn't really fit with my goal of keeping a realistic focus i.e. Mussolini only declared war because he thought it was won. Had Hitler got bogged down in the Low Countries he would no doubt have stayed out.

You have already changed some of the historical events. Axis invaded Netherlands and Belgium ahead of schedule and CW sent more help than they did historically. Germany botched this invasion and that is one of the reasons that Germany has a hard time at the moment.

Who knows how Mussolini had reacted if Adolf had thrown a fit over the failure in the low countries and demanded a second front, in Italy, versus France.

warspite1

No that's not what I said. The intention is not to recreate WWII but to make the actions of the leaders in line with their real life goals, capabilities etc. That is why, despite it being a sensible ploy in the game, I have not invaded Denmark with the Germans.

Had it not been for bad weather, Hitler would have ordered Case Yellow in the autumn of 1939.

I was just trying to say that as the historical setting changes you have to consider how the leaders would have reacted. Bad German progress may have caused Germany to put pressure on Italy.

I agree with you that it is likely that Mussolini would have liked to stay out of the war longer. But how would he have reacted if there was a demand from Hitler that he entered the war at once? That is for you to decide and for me to find out.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:47:47 AM

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Beware of Japanese attempts to infiltrate the Chinese rear areas.

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There is a strong Chinese garrison in Kweillin so pushing northwest is going to be tough for the Japanese. However, that is the plan if the Chinese insist on holding the Yangstse river line.

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