Slitherine

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However, you double the reorganization cost of a unit if any reorganization point came from a co-operating major power or minor country.

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Rule 11.18.4 states:

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However, you double the reorganization cost of a unit if any reorganization point came from a co-operating major power or minor country.

Does this rule mean that reorganization costs are doubled if a reorganization point came from a cooperating major power or any minor country, or does it mean that the costs are doubled only if the reorganization point came from a cooperating major power or a cooperating minor country? That is, does the adjective "cooperating" apply to both "major power" and "minor country", or only to "major power"? In particular, if a minor country reorganizes its own units, should the reorganization cost be doubled?

I thought not, but MWIF disagrees, and when I parsed the rule I realized the rule was ambiguous.

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It's not that difficult. Unit is same country as the HQ - minimum re-org points. Different country unit from the HQ (and cooperates, of course) - double. In both cases the cost is as per the action choice of the unit.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

I think it's not a bug.

AFAIK, you cannot ally Netherlands to CW unless they are at war (we are not supposed to be talking about NEI) so these ships are most probably British ships of Netherlands origin.

If this is the case, the cost if I remember well should be 1 point for any of them pure CW ships and CW formerly Netherlands ships, or 2 for any of them if the impulse is not a naval impulse.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Ok, you re saying the same ruling that i wrote in my previous post, although I was wondering whether it's a naval impulse or not. Now I double-checked post #5 and he says it's naval. Ok, it's wrong. But not because of being a minor country reorganizing a major.

The only way CW can align the Netherlands in this version of WIF (no DoD) is if the Netherlands is declared war. And considering that the Netherlands has only one land unit most probably the Netherlands has being incompletely conquered and those ships are CW's so they don't have the minor country rule doesn't apply.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Ok, then I would agree with Centuur.

Centuur, I spoke with the guy who is supposed to know more on WIF in my group and he disagrees with you, in his opinion had the Netherlands lost their lands in Europe and NEI been created the NED ships are CW, no Ned anymore. Of course he has been mistaken sometimes, but maybe I will ask this at the mail list...

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Really?

I guess you must be right 'cause being your country Netherlands you probably paid much more attention to this details. Then we have been playing it wrong for more tan 10 years... I guess people treat them like CW because there is very few aspects (being reorganization one of those) where it affects the gameplay.

We consider them 100% british even with an incomplete conquest, I guess because of the special ruling of the Netherlands in the game (NEI creation).

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Rule 11.18.4 states:

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However, you double the reorganization cost of a unit if any reorganization point came from a co-operating major power or minor country.

Does this rule mean that reorganization costs are doubled if a reorganization point came from a cooperating major power or any minor country, or does it mean that the costs are doubled only if the reorganization point came from a cooperating major power or a cooperating minor country? That is, does the adjective "cooperating" apply to both "major power" and "minor country", or only to "major power"? In particular, if a minor country reorganizes its own units, should the reorganization cost be doubled?

I thought not, but MWIF disagrees, and when I parsed the rule I realized the rule was ambiguous.

These rules were a royal pain to code. The beta testers kept finding subtleties that required me for refine the code. There is no easy way to explain how the calculations are done, because the calculations are very difficult to do.

Action choice, unit type for unit being reorganized, unit type of HQ providing reorganization points, ATR type that provides reorganization points, cooperating major powers, minor countries, offensive chit used. These all affect the points required by the unit and the point(s) provided by the reorganizing unit. The points spent in the naval, air, and HQ reorganization phases are cumulative, so the program has to keep that straight too.

Trying to figure this out precisely in your head will give you a headache. My advice is just use the reorganization points as simply as possible and don't try to do anything 'clever' with them to eek out one more reorganized unit. In the long run, this will save you a lot of time, effort, and grief.