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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 10:31:23 AM   
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The CW conduct a strategic bombing raid on Essen and cause 2 production points to be lost. Good shooting lads!




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 10:36:21 AM   
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I have a light blue Swordfish on Ark Royal, which is a waste. So in the rebase phase I remove it and place in Gibraltar. Let's see if that works next go.

The turn ends on a 1.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 10:40:21 AM   
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The US choose to relocate the fleet to Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor? Sounds like a good name for a film...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 11:01:10 AM   
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Production

Germany:
Field Artillery
2 x Submarine
Motorised
Mechanised
2 x Pilot
Fighter
Land Air
Carrier Air

Italy:
Battleship
Anti-Tank

Japan:
3 x Pilot
3 x Carrier Air
Militia
2x Lt Cruiser









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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 11:06:02 AM   
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Production

China:
Infantry
Garrison

CW:
4 x Pilot
3 x Carrier Air
1 x Nav Air
Motorised

USA:
Infantry
Bunker Hill
Cleveland
Armour
2 x Pilot
2 x Carrier Air

USSR:
Garrison
Motorised
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Pilot
Fighter


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 11:11:48 AM   
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Reinforcement

Germany:
Ju-88
Me-109
Scharnhorst
Armour
Anti-tank
Motorised

Italy:
Conti di Cavour
Submarine
Infantry

Japan:
Militia
Marine Division
Chitose
Choyoda
AMPH





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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 11:17:51 AM   
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The Japanese are asked if they want to swap the battleship Shinano for an aircraft carrier. There are two choices, an historical and an ahistorical version.

The historical version:

• Engine(s) output: 150,000 hp
• Top Speed: 27 knots
• Main armament: 16 x 5-inch (127mm), 145 x 25mm AA guns
• Aircraft: 47 (see below)
• Displacement (full load): 71,890 tons
• Thickest armour: 8.1-inch (belt)

This counter gives the Japanese player the historic option of building the third Yamato-class battleship as an aircraft carrier. World In Flames (WIF) actually allows the Japanese player three alternatives. The first option is to complete Shinano as a battleship as originally intended (see Counter 4371). The second option allows her construction as a more powerful aircraft carrier than was actually the case, and as befits the size of the vessel (see Counter 4339). The third option is represented by this counter and allows the completion of Shinano to her historic specification.

In her aircraft carrier guise, Shinano's role was that of a support ship for the Imperial Japanese Navy's fleet carriers. As such she was built to provide spare aircraft, aviation fuel and maintenance facilities to the frontline carrier fleet. For this role, the forward part of her hangar was given over to workshops and she could carry an impressive 158,000 Imperial Gallons of fuel. There was room for twenty-three "spare" aircraft in addition to forty-seven of her own.

A single hangar was served by two lifts and on deck she had fifteen arrester wires to assist the landing of aircraft. As per standard practice, no catapult was fitted to assist take-off. Compared to previous Japanese carrier designs, She featured a very large island structure.

Armour protection was greatly increased in Shinano compared to pre-war Japanese carriers and she was fitted with a 3-inch armoured flight deck between her two lifts. Although her belt armour was retained, at 8.1-inches, it was half the thickness envisaged in her battleship design. Her magazines and machinery spaces were covered by armour plate 7.5-inch thick. A major weakness, and one that proved her un-doing, was the anti-torpedo defence.

Shinano featured a strong anti-aircraft (AA) defence with eight twin 5-inch dual-purpose guns supported by no less than one hundred and forty-five 25mm guns and a further twelve, multi-barrelled rocket launchers for close-range defence.

Despite her size, she was capable of 27 knots as she retained the powerful machinery that she would have had as a battleship.

Shinano was commissioned in November 1944 and her life was to be one of the shortest among the fighting ships of World War II; lasting a mere 10 days in commission. On her way for final completion at the Kure Naval Yard, she was spotted and attacked by the American submarine USS Archerfish, which sank the carrier with four torpedoes.


However, the Japanese choose the latter!




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 11:39:42 AM   
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Reinforcement

China:
Infantry

CW:
Beaufighter
Swordfish
Curacoa
3 x AMPH
Infantry

USA:
New Jersey
Infantry

USSR:
2 x Land Air
Motorised
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 11:42:28 AM   
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Initiative and Weather

The Axis win the initiative despite a re-roll at their request. The only comfort is that the weather is Snow and Storm (except for North Monsoon and South Temperate which are Fine). The Impulse Advance is 3.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 2:43:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Nov/Dec 1941
End of Turn

The US choose to relocate the fleet to Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor? Sounds like a good name for a film...

A film named Pearl Harbor must be great. With such a historical background, and events, a movie about it can't go wrong.

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US relocating the fleet to Pearl Harbor could be taken as a sign for Japan that it might be time to DOW USA soon.


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 3:40:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Nov/Dec 1941
End of Turn

The US choose to relocate the fleet to Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor? Sounds like a good name for a film...

A film named Pearl Harbor must be great. With such a historical background, and events, a movie about it can't go wrong.

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US relocating the fleet to Pearl Harbor could be taken as a sign for Japan that it might be time to DOW USA soon.



A Hollywood movie set in the Hawaiian islands Between the titles "Pearl Harbor" or "Tora! Tora! Tora!"? My money is on the movie with the most closeups of nurses. Doing nurse things and such. Oh and some romance. Can't be in the Hawaiian islands without romance.

"Tora! Tora! Tora!" sounds like an advertisement for some kind of sushi.

Sushi or nurses? Which is it?

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 3:56:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WarHunter


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Nov/Dec 1941
End of Turn

The US choose to relocate the fleet to Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor? Sounds like a good name for a film...

A film named Pearl Harbor must be great. With such a historical background, and events, a movie about it can't go wrong.

----

US relocating the fleet to Pearl Harbor could be taken as a sign for Japan that it might be time to DOW USA soon.



A Hollywood movie set in the Hawaiian islands Between the titles "Pearl Harbor" or "Tora! Tora! Tora!"? My money is on the movie with the most closeups of nurses. Doing nurse things and such. Oh and some romance. Can't be in the Hawaiian islands without romance.

"Tora! Tora! Tora!" sounds like an advertisement for some kind of sushi.

Sushi or nurses? Which is it?
warspite1

I just hope that if they ever make a film called Pearl Harbor they use quality dialogue. I'm thinking something along the lines of:

"I think World War II just started".

or

"Do you ever wonder if this war's going to catch up with us?"

or

"You died Rafe. So did I".

I mean I'm welling up here.....


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 4:00:53 PM   
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Just out of curiosity, how many fighter units have you kept back to guard the Reich and France from the strategic bombers?

I am really finding this annoying from the standpoint that I have 6 fighters (4 109, 2 110) and still can't get coverage against the strategic attacks. Its not like I have sent a lot of fighters off to Russia either and I have made a pretty big investment in the Luftwaffe and didn't take very many losses at all in the battle for France.

I read someplace there is some discussion about new interception rules where bombers go 4 hexes at a time and the 4th hex is a potential interception point. I think this may be a big help and solution to the issue since old slow bombers can pass over perfectly fine fighters on the way to bomb a factory that is out of intercept range.

Just wondering if anyone else house rules this. Obviously it can't be fixed that easily in MWiF and there are more important things to look after.

Sorry for the slight derail.


I'd like to touch on this briefly.

The entire game its a dilemma. Front line fighters or Air defense of factories/resources. The degree is different for each game. As warspite1, pointed out, his choice is easy. Not much in the way of bombers allows a conscience free of worry. Until the bomber shows up.

When setting up for an Air Defense, my priority are the following cities. Berlin, Hamburg, Essen, Hanover, Dusseldorf, Cologne, Metz. From this core its expanded on. If playing the oil option. The oil resources are added to the core.

All of those cities have 1 thing in common. If a bomber of 1 strength point attacks and is not intercepted and rolls a 10 to 11 you lost 2 factors. That can't happen at a 1 factory/resource hex.

Over time it all depends on how aggressive the CW player is in pursuing a bombing campaign.


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 4:17:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1
quote:

ORIGINAL: WarHunter
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ORIGINAL: Orm
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ORIGINAL: warspite1
Nov/Dec 1941
End of Turn
The US choose to relocate the fleet to Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor? Sounds like a good name for a film...

A film named Pearl Harbor must be great. With such a historical background, and events, a movie about it can't go wrong.
----
US relocating the fleet to Pearl Harbor could be taken as a sign for Japan that it might be time to DOW USA soon.

A Hollywood movie set in the Hawaiian islands Between the titles "Pearl Harbor" or "Tora! Tora! Tora!"? My money is on the movie with the most closeups of nurses. Doing nurse things and such. Oh and some romance. Can't be in the Hawaiian islands without romance.
"Tora! Tora! Tora!" sounds like an advertisement for some kind of sushi.
Sushi or nurses? Which is it?
warspite1
I just hope that if they ever make a film called Pearl Harbor they use quality dialogue. I'm thinking something along the lines of:
"I think World War II just started".
or
"Do you ever wonder if this war's going to catch up with us?"
or
"You died Rafe. So did I".
I mean I'm welling up here.....


Good writing has that effect. Same as when the police opened up a couple of cans of tear gas in the neighborhood.
Sometimes i can't tell the difference.


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 5:37:05 PM   
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"further twelve, multi-barrelled rocket launchers for close-range defence."

AA _rockets_ in WWII? I did not know that. The things you learn playing this game…….thanks!



"Tora! Tora! Tora!" is one of the greatest movie lines ever, whatchutalkinbout Willis? I think that line is why I play World in Flames today. So when the red pieces have their greatest moment of glory, I get to say it to my humbled opponent! It is a way more fun line than "climb Mount Tanaka"



There is an option for en-route aircraft interception in paper World in Flames. It is not commonly played, many think it is a time waster. I have always played with it, and generally seen it used just a few times a game usually. Works fine. Would not be completely simple on the computer, but not completely impossible either.

I find strategic bombing in the game to be the most devastating to …. the Chinese.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 6:27:32 PM   
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The weather has ended the possibility of further Naval Air attacks on the Med convoys for this impulse, but the Italians put three subs to sea in the Western Med (to go with the one they left there last turn).

The dice rolls are 9 and 8 for the Axis and Allies respectively and there will be no combat this impulse as a result.

Meanwhile in southern China, the Japanese begin the trek west and south as part of operations to push further into China and begin preparations for the attack in the Philippines and beyond...






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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 6:47:39 PM   
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The Allies turn now and its time for some shuffling of units.

Having given the order to send the Pacific Fleet to Pearl, the first of the naval units move to Hawaii - Pennsylvania, Arizona and Oklahoma are the first to arrive.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 6:48:52 PM   
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The CW launch another raid on Essen, but this time a dice throw of 3 yields no result...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 8:10:08 PM   
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I have a light blue Swordfish on Ark Royal, which is a waste. So in the rebase phase I remove it and place in Gibraltar. Let's see if that works next go.


The only mission a carrier plane not on a carrier may perform is a rebase mission.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 8:14:49 PM   
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I have a light blue Swordfish on Ark Royal, which is a waste. So in the rebase phase I remove it and place in Gibraltar. Let's see if that works next go.


The only mission a carrier plane not on a carrier may perform is a rebase mission.
warspite1

What I was referring to was whether the program would recognise what I was doing and execute it properly i.e. re-basing from the carrier to land.

I am pleased to say it did and Ark Royal sailed, empty, the next turn to pick up a more appropriate aircraft.

I have had one AAR ended because of carrier aircraft so you must excuse my nervousness where these units are involved!


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/2/2014 8:29:01 PM   
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Yeah, I have done some shuffling of air units on carriers as well on the Jan/Feb turn (shrinkage provides more size and planes can be moved around allowing some carriers to head home for fresh planes). I had the same caution as Bob, based on his mention of having this end a game for him.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 6:20:51 AM   
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Back to the Axis now and the weather in the Mediterranean has eased slightly - its Rain - so aircraft can fly once more. The order goes out to the RA and Fliegerkorps X.

The Axis are asked if they want to initiate combat in the Eastern and Western Mediterranean sea zones. The answer of course if yes to both.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 6:25:47 AM   
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The bring a second flying boat to the Eastern Mediterranean, and the CW respond with a Hurricane fighter flying over the convoy (0 box) and a flying boat of their own in the 3 box to try and limit surprise.

Throws of 4 and 7 mean that no combat is possible this impulse.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 6:35:19 AM   
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To the western end of the Med now, and the Axis send in reinforcements in the shape of an Italian SM.79bis. The CW respond as before with a fighter flying CAP over the convoy and a Sunderland to try and minimise surprise effects.





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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 6:38:54 AM   
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This time the Axis get the breaks - they have the choice of sea boxes (they ignore the Sunderland - its the convoys they are after).




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 6:48:36 AM   
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Given what happened in France, the Axis are loath to trust to the air war dice god. They therefore choose to attack with the subs only.

I am amazed. I thought it would be something of a turkey shoot given the lack of escorts, but instead, the Italian submarine force has been hurt with two of the four attackers damaged and one 1/2 abort.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 6:52:42 AM   
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So what can the subs do in response?

Well they destroy 1, damage 1 and abort 2. I do not know if these are counters or convoy points though. I was not asked to choose - the computer went straight into the dice throws??






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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 6:57:52 AM   
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The sides have to decide whether to stick around. Both say yes. The Luftwaffe now bring in the big guns. The Me-109 attached to Fliegerkorps X is flown to the 0 box....

Sadly for the Axis, neither search roll was successful.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 7:18:45 AM   
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The rest of the turn saw the Japanese manoeuvre in China but the weather ends any hopes for further attacks. Units begin the march into Indo-China as Japan begins to think about war against the evil, decadent, Western Democracies "Mwahahahahahahaha!!" [Alright Tojo, zip it]

Back to the Allies and its a case of:

USA: Minneapolis, Houston and North Carolina sail for Pearl.
CW: The TRS are too few and too scattered. They need aircraft in the Med and there is no means to get them there

The CW are then asked if they want to initiate combat in the two contested Mediterranean sea zones. I didn't think this would happen as nothing new had occurred in those zones, but anyway...

Obviously the Western Med is a no no, but in the Eastern half, the CW decide to take a chance on the basis they have the better quality fighter. The Italians bring another 4-quality fighter to the party (0 box).

It does not matter, throws of 8 and 10!! ensure that once again this part of the Mediterranean remains a fighting-free zone...


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 7:25:32 AM   
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There is no chance of Strategic Bombing in Snow - Bomber Harris is therefore unable to order his trusty Hampden and Wellington units into the air for their regular trip to Essen.

A 2 is then thrown and the turn ends...



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