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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 10:34:56 PM   
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The CW has 8 surprise points to spend - all 8 of which are used to increase the combat column. The actual result was not quite as bad as it could have been - but it was still pretty awful.. 1 submarine sunk and two aborted.




A submarine with so low speed deserves to be sunk!
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Yes I should have left him behind and had all units in the higher box, but as it turned out, it would not have made any difference to the search nos.


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 10:47:42 PM   
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The CW has 8 surprise points to spend - all 8 of which are used to increase the combat column. The actual result was not quite as bad as it could have been - but it was still pretty awful.. 1 submarine sunk and two aborted.




A submarine with so low speed deserves to be sunk!
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Yes I should have left him behind and had all units in the higher box, but as it turned out, it would not have made any difference to the search nos.


One less box means one more surprise point for CW. So in this battle CW would have had 7 surprise points instead of 8 and thereby would have fought at one lower combat column. So it is not that the Italians missed to find that bothered me.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 10:57:04 PM   
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The Germans once more choose three attacks. Odessa in the south and the two hexes previously targeted for ground strike. Aircraft cannot alter any of the battle odds and there are no HQ's left to provide support.

The attack on Odessa is at 3:1 (no modifier) on the Assault table....

...its only a 4. All attackers are disorganised but there is no loss to the Germans. However, the Soviets lose the 4th Motorised Army - but at least Odessa holds..





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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:00:43 PM   
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The next attack is against Timoshenko and the 3rd Armoured Army. This is a 3:1 +1 with the Germans choosing the Blitzkrieg table.....

... its a 6 (7) which means no losses to either side but the Soviets are Shattered (no conversion!).




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:05:43 PM   
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The third and final attack - but by certainly not the least important. This is a 3:1 +1 attack on the Blitzkrieg table against a lone Guards Infantry Army, but its removal will really split the Soviet Army apart...

...its only a 2 (3)... The defender is destroyed but the attacking units are disorganised and one division is also lost.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:09:01 PM   
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The turn ends on a 3! There are mutterings of dodgy dice in the German camp.....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:15:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The dice are clearly not pro-Germany.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:17:13 PM   
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< Message edited by warspite1 -- 1/5/2014 12:18:00 AM >

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:23:12 PM   
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Production

Germany:
Infantry
Mechanised
Motorised
Field Artillery
3 x Pilot
Fighter
3 x Land Air

Italy:
Infantry HQ

Japan:
Submarine
Carrier
2 x Carrier Air
2 x Pilots
Militia
Garrison




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:26:33 PM   
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Production

China:
2 x Infantry

CW:
Hermione
Dido
Carrier
3 x Pilot
3 x Carrier Air
Garrison
Anti-Aircraft
Armour Division

USA:
Missouri
Wisconsin
Alaska
2 x TRS
3 x Carrier Air
3 x Pilot
Infantry
Submarine

USSR:
4 x Infantry
2 x Motorised
2 x Anti-Tank
3 x Pilot
2 x Fighter
2 x Land Air


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:35:32 PM   
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Production

Germany:
Infantry
Mechanised
Motorised
Field Artillery
3 x Pilot
Fighter
3 x Land Air

Italy:
Infantry HQ

Japan:
Submarine
Carrier
2 x Carrier Air
2 x Pilots
Militia
Garrison




Germany must gear up their infantry production now. Two infantry class units built seems to low.

They also need garrisons and militia to defend against partisans and pesky invasions.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:42:43 PM   
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Reinforcement

Germany:
Romania Militia x 2
2 x Fighters
2 x Land Air
Infantry HQ
Mechanised
Armour
Anti-Aircraft

Italy:
SM 84
Submarine

Japan:
Taiho has been placed in the Construction Pool
Militia
Agano
5 x Carrier Air


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:49:52 PM   
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Reinforcement

China:
Chiang
Infantry
Garrison
Communist Cavalry Division

CW:
3 x Carrier Air
Indefatigable
Temeraire
Trinidad
Cleopatra
Mountbatten

USA:
San Diego
Massachussetts
Carrier Air
Armour

USSR:
Fighter
Land Air
2 x Infantry HQ
Artillery
2 x Infantry
Armour


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/4/2014 11:51:25 PM   
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The Axis win the Initiative despite a re-roll and the weather is Fine everywhere except the North Monsoon (Storm).

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 3:21:58 AM   
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 2:17:10 PM   
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Right lets see what the Germans can do with a double move...

First off the order goes out to the Italians to keep quiet in the Mediterranean - the Germans do not want any side shows distracting them while they enter the key phase of the European war.

First off is a series of four Stuka ground strikes in the north. Once again the quality of the Luftwaffe aircraft means that the Soviets dare not try and fight it out...










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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 2:20:19 PM   
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In the attack against Minsk the Soviet AA causes a 2-point reduction to the attacker.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 2:29:37 PM   
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The attacks were a real mixed bag - bizarrely the most success came at Minsk where the chances were least but all Soviet units were disorganised.. There was no success at all in the forest north of the city, nor in the western most of the two hexes targeted north of the Dvina.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 2:44:28 PM   
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The Germans identify three targets for this impulse: Odessa, Minsk and the clear terrain two hexes southwest of Pskov.

There is no HQ Support used by either side - Guderian declines the privilege. Only in the most northerly hex can aircraft make a difference, and the Germans bring in a bomber which the Soviets can do nothing about....

The first attack takes place in Odessa - its a 5:1 (no modifier) on the Assault table....

...its an 8. The Soviet 1st Motorised Army is destroyed for no loss or disorganisation. Odessa falls and the situation looks bleak in the south....





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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 2:52:09 PM   
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The next battle is that for the hex north of the Dvinsk river. This is a 5:1 +3 on the Blitzkrieg table and so the Germans, spearheaded by the 3rd Panzer Corps and led by Guderian, are supremely confident of total success....

....its an 8 (11). The Soviets lose the 5th Paratroop Corps and a motorised division.






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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 3:00:04 PM   
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The final attack is a 3:1 +3 on the Assault table, and again the Germans save the most important to last. Not only does this hex contain a key Soviet city, but they have Yeremenko, an important HQ in the hex. If ever the Germans needed the Nakatomi dice its now....

....its good enough, its an 8 (11). The Soviets lose two units and the third is shattered (this time Field Marshal Ormster's advice is ignored and the shattered result is converted. The chances of destroying Yeremenko later in the turn is too good to pass up).




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 3:07:34 PM   
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The turn has been devastating for the Soviets. They have not lost an aircraft but have had 5 disorganised this early in the turn. Their main stack in front of Vitebsk is out of supply. Their forces in Latvia are threatened with being put out of supply thanks to the breakthrough by Army Group North's Panzer spearhead. The Germans have taken a bit of a chance and used two of their HQ's to organise most of their Stuka formations.

Things look bleak for Uncle Joe...




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 3:11:39 PM   
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The Americans have an 70% chance of declaring war on the Japanese and Germans. They have no choice but to go for it....

RATS






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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 3:29:44 PM   
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Roosevelt: It looks like them Russkies are in big trouble
Hull: I give em six weeks
Roosevelt: Mmmmm - what do you think Henry?
Stimson: Maybe, but probably less
Roosevelt: Well in that case I think we have no choice but to declare war on Germany
Hull, Morgenthau, Stimson [in unison]: Agreed!
Roosevelt: Right, how do we do this. I've never done this before in my life?
Hull: You have to throw some dice Mr President. Apparently we have a 70% chance of success.
Stimson: Yes but if we fail, we lessen our chances of success going forward.
Roosevelt: Well that's a chance we'll have to take.
Hull: Why don't we use the dice made by the Nakatomi Corporation? - I hear they're very good.
Roosevelt: If you think so. Get me the Nakatomi dice
Stimson: Sorry Mr President, they are still in Germany, Hitler has just been using them to steamroller the Soviets..
Roosevelt: Damn.. oh well, we'll just have to use these [Roosevelt wheels his chair over to a cupboard in one corner of the Oval office and pulls out a Monopoly box]. Okay, here goes......

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 3:45:37 PM   
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For the Soviets, the north looks dire. They have at least been able to form a line of sorts behind the Dneiper, but the swamp land north of Riga has made getting away almost impossible.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 3:59:30 PM   
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The Chinese Communists attack a Japanese Militia guarding a resource hex near Tsinan. The attack is a 5:1 (no modifier) on the Assault table. The Chinese throw a 1! The defender is destroyed but the Chinese lose two units in taking the hex...




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 4:03:23 PM   
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I can imagine the scene at the oval office...

Roosevelt: It looks like them Russkies are in big trouble
Hull: I give em six weeks
Roosevelt: Mmmmm - what do you think Henry?
Stimson: Maybe, but probably less
Roosevelt: Well in that case I think we have no choice but to declare war on Germany
Hull, Morgenthau, Stimson [in unison]: Agreed!
Roosevelt: Right, how do we do this. I've never done this before in my life?
Hull: You have to throw some dice Mr President. Apparently we have a 70% chance of success.
Stimson: Yes but if we fail, we lessen our chances of success going forward.
Roosevelt: Well that's a chance we'll have to take.
Hull: Why don't we use the dice made by the Nakatomi Corporation? - I hear they're very good.
Roosevelt: If you think so. Get me the Nakatomi dice
Stimson: Sorry Mr President, they are still in Germany, Hitler has just been using them to steamroller the Soviets..
Roosevelt: Damn.. oh well, we'll just have to use these [Roosevelt wheels his chair over to a cupboard in one corner of the Oval office and pulls out a Monopoly box]. Okay, here goes......



Haha, good stuff.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 4:44:49 PM   
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For the Soviets, the north looks dire. They have at least been able to form a line of sorts behind the Dneiper, but the swamp land north of Riga has made getting away almost impossible.




I say that things looks good for the Soviet Union. Germany will soon be in trouble.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 4:47:42 PM   
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The Americans have an 70% chance of declaring war on the Japanese and Germans. They have no choice but to go for it....

RATS






I would say that now it is time for Japan to declare war on US whether they are ready or not.

Edit: At least they can attempt a Pearl Harbor kind of port strike. Then someone can say one of the most famous world war II quotes: "I think World War II just started".

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 1/5/2014 4:52:30 PM   
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For the Soviets, the north looks dire. They have at least been able to form a line of sorts behind the Dneiper, but the swamp land north of Riga has made getting away almost impossible.




I say that things looks good for the Soviet Union. Germany will soon be in trouble.
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Interesting view. They certainly have some strong assets in the south, and the Dneiper should afford them some good measure of protection, but - all things being equal - the Germans should be able to take Pskov and Vitebsk this turn together with clearance of the Baltic States.

The Soviet reinforcements are not that much greater than the Germans next turn.





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