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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR


And that's the reason we ask the question.....because there is an answer that's better than "Who knows?" So let them answer the question.

As for the post above about the appearance to the casual gamer......you mean the way it appears to the majority of gamers......as in all of them who don't frequent this forum regularly.

you would think most would realize that if you only get the people who frequent this forum to buy the game,...the game will be a huge financial failure...so you might want to have an answer for those "other" gamers.

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ORIGINAL: markb50k

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR


And that's the reason we ask the question.....because there is an answer that's better than "Who knows?" So let them answer the question.

As for the post above about the appearance to the casual gamer......you mean the way it appears to the majority of gamers......as in all of them who don't frequent this forum regularly.

you would think most would realize that if you only get the people who frequent this forum to buy the game,...the game will be a huge financial failure...so you might want to have an answer for those "other" gamers.

Actually i said the casual observer, and what I meant is that I can see very easily why people have a "WTF" moment when they see the price hasnt changed. I wasnt trying to draw a distinction between casual gamers and hardcore gamers, if that is what you were thinking. Overall, I don't fault people in the least for reacting, at least at the beginning, with a ?. Its definitely odd. But the fact that its still a good price and the fact, that most likely, there some constraints Matrix has on the pricing of the game (like if its too low it will eat into the actual board-game sales) I just dont see it as an issue to get too worked up about.

If they did lower it would I have a "WTF" moment and complain, because I paid more for books that I didnt necessarily want? Nope. The game has been worth the price, and I would have felt fine paying $99 for it without the books.

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

To quote Ian from another thread:

1) Follow a business plan based on 13 years of running a successful company and over 20 years in the games industry.
2) Follow a business plan based on what a journalist and our fans (none of whom to my knowledge have ever made a game or run computer game publisher) suggest because we don't have the guts to follow our beliefs.

Maybe JD et al should do some reading? http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3308906&mpage=1&key=tim%2Cstone

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ORIGINAL: AxelNL

Compared to the time creating the content the printing costs are a small factor. Postal charges and customs for outside US shipments is more expensive than the printcosts of the books I would say.

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: AxelNL

Compared to the time creating the content the printing costs are a small factor. Postal charges and customs for outside US shipments is more expensive than the printcosts of the books I would say.

In another thread about game prices,....a matrix employee listed the time it takes to develop a game as one of the factors in its cost........I made a joke....that WIF had been in development for so long it would probably cost around $100 when it finally released. It was a joke,...but sadly it was on us.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: juntoalmar

So instead of waiting for having the perfect game in 2 years (PBEM, AI, ...), they decided to release it now. And some of you would prefer they have waited a bit more.

So?

1) If you are like those who wanted it now: buy it now.
2) If you are like those who wanted them to wait until AI & PBEM was ready: wait until they are ready.

Shouldn't everybody be happy?

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

The question being asked has been answered multiple times.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Matrix needs to answer that they've done exactly what they said they'd do? To some troll that's been plaguing the forum for 36 hours now, who won't buy the game because it's unfinished and and has no AI, and can't afford it to start with?

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Matrix needs to answer that they've done exactly what they said they'd do? To some troll that's been plaguing the forum for 36 hours now, who won't buy the game because it's unfinished and and has no AI, and can't afford it to start with?

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ORIGINAL: Challerain

I certainly can't spreak for Matrix, but here is my take anyway

Here is a quote from Erik from another thread

Hi everyone, the decision to go with a physical only release was made a while ago and the rationale was explained in my earlier posts. We honestly feel the hardbound manuals are a key part of the game - adding them in actually decreases our margin per copy as we did not increase the planned price once we made the decision to print the manuals at this quality level, but we feel that they are necessary to the game. We tried to get the shipping costs down as much as possible, but until our European warehouse re-opens, we were unable to get them down further outside the US given the weight and size of the package. We were not happy with the shipping costs either. The only option I can offer right now is to wait until later in Q1 2014 when the European warehouse opens as that should reduce shipping costs to Europe and remove the risk of a customs duty. Per the announcement we posted, our best guess on that is February/March.

< Message edited by Erik Rutins -- 11/8/2013 9:20:03 AM >


So, Erik is stating the price was $100 before they added the manuals so removing them is still $100.

As for the physical versus download option and the $10 difference on all other games, I'll give you that one....however at $110 versus $100, it really isn't that big of an issue.

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: juntoalmar

So instead of waiting for having the perfect game in 2 years (PBEM, AI, ...), they decided to release it now. And some of you would prefer they have waited a bit more.

So?

1) If you are like those who wanted it now: buy it now.
2) If you are like those who wanted them to wait until AI & PBEM was ready: wait until they are ready.

Shouldn't everybody be happy?

I would have no issue with that,...but I would expect to pay accordingly. Part of the game delivered should equal part of the price....not the highest price ever at Matrix.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

So far no answer has been given why the download version with just the game costs the same as the game and three hardback books. I am aware of how the game was released and how some claimed they would be happy with just downloading the game at the same price,...but as far as I am aware those people in no way speak for everyone.

The answer is immediately above in post #27. The fact you don't like the answer doesn't mean there's no answer.

He's looking for an answer from Matrix Games - like an official answer - not an answer from some pseudo spokesman or self assigned forum policeman.

He's entitled to ask - you can answer if you want, but he can choose to ignore your answer because he wants to know officially.

And as he said - the people who were willing to pay the same price without the books were not spokespeople for everyone. You probably only saw those answers in those threads because the rest couldn't be arsed to say that wasn't acceptable to them because of the hostility in this place.

If you don't like the "whining" and "carping" and "complaining" then don't read. Go play the game. And those terms used themselves are inflammatory.

HTF did you think this thread was going to go with that statement?

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Hi everyone, the decision to go with a physical only release was made a while ago and the rationale was explained in my earlier posts. We honestly feel the hardbound manuals are a key part of the game - adding them in actually decreases our margin per copy as we did not increase the planned price once we made the decision to print the manuals at this quality level, but we feel that they are necessary to the game. We tried to get the shipping costs down as much as possible, but until our European warehouse re-opens, we were unable to get them down further outside the US given the weight and size of the package. We were not happy with the shipping costs either. The only option I can offer right now is to wait until later in Q1 2014 when the European warehouse opens as that should reduce shipping costs to Europe and remove the risk of a customs duty. Per the announcement we posted, our best guess on that is February/March.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

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ORIGINAL: juntoalmar

So instead of waiting for having the perfect game in 2 years (PBEM, AI, ...), they decided to release it now. And some of you would prefer they have waited a bit more.

So?

1) If you are like those who wanted it now: buy it now.
2) If you are like those who wanted them to wait until AI & PBEM was ready: wait until they are ready.

Shouldn't everybody be happy?

I would have no issue with that,...but I would expect to pay accordingly. Part of the game delivered should equal part of the price....not the highest price ever at Matrix.

warspite1

But its not your company. Its not for you to set the price and say what it should or shouldn't be. That is Matrix's job. As consumers we can then choose to pay said price or walk.

To you, the price is not worth it, and that's fine, no problem, that's your choice. Matrix on the other hand, think they have the price right.

Matrix have brought a game out that does not have many of the usual features - but are charging a premium price. A great many of us think its worth that price and we bought (and will pay more for more later) - many it seems do not and walked. Right can we move on now?

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What exactly is your objection to the question being asked

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ORIGINAL: KERENSKY

So they got trapped by their idea to force sell the books on people.

Game should have been sold 90$, 120$ with book.
They force the book into the package and print them, but made a gesture to put a price of 100$.

Now they are trapped and cant lower the price of the digital dowload edition without raising the physical edition up to 125$.

As simple as that.

I am also convinced that they think that including books was mandatory because no one will pay 100$ for a computer games without shinies added to it.

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ORIGINAL: Treale

I just don't understand all of the fuss and hostility? If you don't like the deal, don't buy. If you can't afford it, don't buy. Matrix doesn't have to justify their business decisions to anyone! When it's all said and done, it's just s game! And yes I did purchase when it first came out! Am I happy with it, No. But I'm an adult and I made my decision, so I live with it....

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ORIGINAL: KERENSKY

So they got trapped by their idea to force sell the books on people.

Game should have been sold 90$, 120$ with book.
They force the book into the package and print them, but made a gesture to put a price of 100$.

Now they are trapped and cant lower the price of the digital dowload edition without raising the physical edition up to 125$.

As simple as that.

I am also convinced that they think that including books was mandatory because no one will pay 100$ for a computer games without shinies added to it.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805