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Stupid AI Tricks - 2/5/2003 1:22:41 AM

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I decided to start cataloguing all the stupid things I have seen in UV to demonstrate that only a few things are dumber than the AI. In this battle, for instance, of 26 fighters that should have been escorting my bombers, only 16 actually did so. And even then, they only escorted one group of torpedo bombers. Out of 41 torpedo bombers, only 6 survived. :mad: Fortunately, my dive bombers were able to get through.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/04/42

Weather: Clear

Sub attack at 9,33

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
DD Arashi

Allied Ships
SS Nautilus

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 6
B-26 Marauder x 4

Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger x 5 destroyed
TBF Avenger x 1 damaged
B-26 Marauder x 2 destroyed
B-26 Marauder x 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi

Attacking Level Bombers:
2 x B-26 Marauder at 200 feet

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
B-17 Fortress x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
no losses

Allied aircraft losses
no losses

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
CV Soryu

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
no losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 8 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54

Allied aircraft
TBD Devastator x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
no losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBD Devastator x 1 destroyed
TBD Devastator x 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
CV Akagi

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54

Allied aircraft
TBD Devastator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
no losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBD Devastator x 15 destroyed

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54

Allied aircraft
TBD Devastator x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
no losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBD Devastator x 10 destroyed
TBD Devastator x 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 6
TBD Devastator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 damaged
TBD Devastator x 10 destroyed
TBD Devastator x 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 10
SBD Dauntless x 54

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 9 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna

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Air attack on Midway at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
D3A Val x 36
B5N Kate x 36

Allied aircraft
F2A-3 Buffalo x 20
F4F-3 Wildcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed
D3A Val x 1 destroyed
B5N Kate x 3 destroyed
B5N Kate x 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F2A-3 Buffalo x 15 destroyed
F2A-3 Buffalo x 4 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

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Sub attack at 9,33

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Nautilus

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
no losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 3 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

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Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Allied aircraft
B-17 Fortress x 12

Allied aircraft losses
no losses

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu, on fire, heavy damage

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
D3A Val x 18

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed
D3A Val x 13 destroyed
D3A Val x 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 3, on fire

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Air attack on TF at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
B5N Kate x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed
B5N Kate x 5 destroyed
B5N Kate x 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

:p

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- 2/5/2003 2:07:01 AM

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:eek: Now that's funny :D

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Re: Stupid AI Tricks - 2/5/2003 2:16:49 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cap_and_gown
[B]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on Midway at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
D3A Val x 36
B5N Kate x 36

Allied aircraft
F2A-3 Buffalo x 20
F4F-3 Wildcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed
D3A Val x 1 destroyed
B5N Kate x 3 destroyed
B5N Kate x 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F2A-3 Buffalo x 15 destroyed
F2A-3 Buffalo x 4 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

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[/B][/QUOTE]

Midway ? Buffalo's?

Some trick, the AI turned your copy of Uncommon Valor into WITP. :eek:

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Strikes - 2/5/2003 2:17:20 AM

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Re: Strikes - 2/5/2003 2:33:49 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mogami
[B]................ [/B][/QUOTE]

You staring at your rock garden again?

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- 2/5/2003 2:47:59 AM

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**** thats some unrealistic combat reports you got going on there. :D

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Posts - 2/5/2003 2:54:25 AM

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Hi, We can not delete our own posts anymore

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Re: Posts - 2/5/2003 3:23:18 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mogami
[B]Hi, We can not delete our own posts anymore [/B][/QUOTE]

Does that mean I fooled you? ;)

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Truth Stranger than Fiction - 2/5/2003 3:34:01 AM

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Good one Cap and Gown!

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- 2/5/2003 3:49:45 AM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/06/42

Weather: Clear

Sub attack at 43,53

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hammann, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage, and is sunk

Japanese Ships
I-168

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- 2/5/2003 4:28:46 AM

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So, why did the AI refuse to send all the aircraft that were available? Why did cap-and-gown allow the AI to control his troops?

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- 2/5/2003 4:52:11 AM

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[B]Some trick, the AI turned your copy of Uncommon Valor into WITP.[/B]

You mean you dont have the Battle of Midway Variant Patch for Uncommon Valor?

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- 2/5/2003 6:17:26 AM

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Funny enough, your dead TBD's tired out all his CAP so your SBD's could come through and cream his CV's ...

Escorts are not to prevent planes from being shot down, they are there to absorb bullets and burn fuel so when it comes time to shoot at the bombers, you can't ;)

I would REALLY LOVE to see some form of AMMO limit on planes, as when I get the message that CAP "God" has been credited with kill number 12 (during 1 fight!) I gotta wonder just what he used to shoot down the plane??? :eek:

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- 2/5/2003 8:11:10 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Admiral DadMan
[B]AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/06/42

Weather: Clear

Sub attack at 43,53

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hammann, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage, and is sunk

Japanese Ships
I-168

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Hmm, I have never seen the "and is sunk" message in a sub attack report. Could it be that someone has been doctoring their AARs? :eek:

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- 2/5/2003 8:33:28 AM

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It was a big explosion...

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- 2/5/2003 9:17:46 AM

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Yes, Cap & Gown, the AI just does stuff no one would do in real life. Why, take a look at this AAR. I thought I'd spotted a couple of USN CVs in a TF in this port, so I put some of my Vals and Kates on Port Attack, and some on Naval Attack. I guess the CVs moved, but instead of tracking, finding, and attacking the CVs, my dumb AI pilots just attacked surface ships in port! Jeesh. If only I could minutely control which plane attacks which ship, as in real life.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/07/41

Weather: Partly Cloudy

Air attack on Pearl Harbor, at 40,10

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
B5N Kate x 40
D3A1 Val x 51

Japanese aircraft losses

B5N Kate x 11 destroyed
B5N Kate x 8 damaged
D3A1 Val x 6 destroyed
D3A1 Val x 12 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Runway hits 52
Airbase hits 33
B-17E Fortress x 8 destroyed
B-17E Fortress x 12 damaged [snip]

Allied ground losses

Men lost 2403

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Bomb Hits 4, Torpedo Hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Torpedo Hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb Hits 5, Torpedo Hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Torpedo Hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
BB Utah, Torpedo Hits 6, on fire, heavy damage [snip]

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- 2/5/2003 10:37:31 AM

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Grotius, another good one!

Man, I LOVE this thread....

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- 2/5/2003 10:43:37 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Grotius
[B]
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/07/41

Weather: Partly Cloudy

Air attack on Pearl Harbor, at 40,10

......

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Bomb Hits 4, Torpedo Hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Torpedo Hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb Hits 5, Torpedo Hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Torpedo Hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
BB Utah, Torpedo Hits 6, on fire, heavy damage [snip] [/B][/QUOTE]

Torpedo hits in a port attack? Hmm, I think this AAR has been doctored as well. I am simply shocked, shocked I tell you, that anyone would do such a thing! :eek:

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- 2/5/2003 12:16:08 PM

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this just in - 2/5/2003 2:10:38 PM

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After Action Report 11/12/40

Night

Air attack on TF, in port, Taranto

Allied Aircraft
Swordfish x 21

Allied Aircraft Losses
Swordfish x 2 Lost
Swordfish x 5 Damaged

Axis Ships
BB Littorio Torpedo Hits 3, Sunk
BB Conte Di Cavour Torpedo Hits 1, Sunk
BB Vittorio Veneto
BB Guilio Cesare
BB Caio Duilio Torpedo Hits 1, Aground
CA Trento Bomb Hits 1, Heavy Damage
CL Fiume Shell Hits 2
CL Zara Shell Hits 1

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Re: Stupid AI Tricks - 2/5/2003 3:42:34 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cap_and_gown
[B]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air attack on TF, at 9,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
B-17 Fortress x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
no losses

Allied aircraft losses
no losses

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
CV Soryu

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17 Fortress at 20000 feet

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[/B][/QUOTE]

Why you flying your level bombers @ 20,000 feet? We all know that they are soooo much more effective at 1,000! Try that, win the war, then get back to me. :p

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- 2/5/2003 3:46:09 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Snigbert
[B][B]Some trick, the AI turned your copy of Uncommon Valor into WITP.[/B]

You mean you dont have the Battle of Midway Variant Patch for Uncommon Valor? [/B][/QUOTE]

:eek: :confused: :(

No patch for me. Lousy supply. SOPAC leaves me to rot on this island while the brass drinks gin and tonics in the shade of a palm tree. You guys in the rear have it made.

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hex 43.52 - 2/6/2003 1:00:28 AM

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Hi, Actually hex 43,52 is Manila in PI (Clark Field is hex 43,51)

Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
G3M Nell x 22

Allied aircraft
P-40E Kittyhawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Kittyhawk x 2 destroyed
B-17C Fortress x 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 12
Runway hits 16

Attacking Level Bombers:
18 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
4 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
????????????????????

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- 2/6/2003 1:14:06 AM

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I think this AAR proves fairly decisively that the AI takes liberties when playing the US side.

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After Action Report 12/06/41

Air attack on TF at 30,12

Allied Aircraft
F-14A Tomcat X 12

Japanese Aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
D4A Val x 54
B5N Kate x 48

Allied losses

Japanese Losses
A6M2 Zero x 24 destroyed
D4A Val x 54 destroyed
B5N Kate x 48 destroyed

Allied Ships

CV Nimitz

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Experiance ratings - 2/6/2003 1:24:14 AM

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Hi, Jeez did you see the starting experaince levels for the "Jolly Rogers"? All of them are in the 90's

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- 2/6/2003 4:57:16 AM

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[QUOTE]F-14A Tomcat X 12[/QUOTE]

Hard level eh?

What really ticks me off is that scouting report from the EC-2's ... now THAT is cheating! :rolleyes:

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- 2/7/2003 8:20:13 AM

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Okay - if anyone happens to run across the AAR for the SSN Seawolf please remember TASM performance parameters are classified until 1943.

Thank you.

Your United States government.

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- 2/7/2003 10:05:38 AM

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I think I found found the mother of all bugs:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/27/42

Weather: Thunderstorms

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Ground combat at Buna

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
(10th US Special Forces)

Defending force 1000 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
(1st Imperial Shogun Warrior battallion)

Allied assault odds: 22 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Buna base !!!

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Night Time Surface Combat at 51,67

25 Japanese wooden junks sunk
15 Japanese wooden junks on fire heavy damage

Allied Ships

PT Boat 34
PT Boat 35

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Damndest thing I ever seen
:D :D

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