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So how does Supply REALLY work? - 4/20/2014 1:34:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		The manual seems to contradict itself. First it states that all supply flows from the supreme HQ to every unit in order to speed things up, rather than down through each lower HQ as in DC1. Next it says that you can do a supply overlay to see how supply flows from selected HQ's.

Also, what happens when you set some of your troops to requesting 50% supply, while leaving others at 100%? Do the 50%ers have to wait until all the other troops get 100%? Or is is a proportional division of supply, with the 100%ers getting twice as much, but not necessarily 100%?

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RE: So how does Supply REALLY work? - 4/20/2014 2:51:32 PM   
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The manual seems to contradict itself. First it states that all supply flows from the supreme HQ to every unit in order to speed things up, rather than down through each lower HQ as in DC1. Next it says that you can do a supply overlay to see how supply flows from selected HQ's.

The supply flows from Stavka/OKH directly to all units below. (unless you play with hardcore logistics)

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Also, what happens when you set some of your troops to requesting 50% supply, while leaving others at 100%? Do the 50%ers have to wait until all the other troops get 100%? Or is is a proportional division of supply, with the 100%ers getting twice as much, but not necessarily 100%?

The supply available is equally distributed over the requests. By lowering request% of a unit you basically put a maximum on what it can receive.

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RE: So how does Supply REALLY work? - 4/20/2014 7:11:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vic

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The manual seems to contradict itself. First it states that all supply flows from the supreme HQ to every unit in order to speed things up, rather than down through each lower HQ as in DC1. Next it says that you can do a supply overlay to see how supply flows from selected HQ's.

The supply flows from Stavka/OKH directly to all units below. (unless you play with hardcore logistics)

Thanks. So what is the purpose of doing a supply overlay from any other HQ below Stavka or OKH? It wouldn't show anything unless it's based on the supreme HQ, right?

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Also, what happens when you set some of your troops to requesting 50% supply, while leaving others at 100%? Do the 50%ers have to wait until all the other troops get 100%? Or is is a proportional division of supply, with the 100%ers getting twice as much, but not necessarily 100%?

The supply available is equally distributed over the requests. By lowering request% of a unit you basically put a maximum on what it can receive.

Best,
Vic


So if there's only enough supply available to get units 50% supply, all units requesting 50% and all units requesting 100% will get 50%? If there's a little extra, the ones requesting 100% will get it.

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RE: So how does Supply REALLY work? - 4/20/2014 7:54:47 PM   
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Thanks. So what is the purpose of doing a supply overlay from any other HQ below Stavka or OKH? It wouldn't show anything unless it's based on the supreme HQ, right?


Well. It would only be usefull if you would be playing with hardcore logistics variant.

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So if there's only enough supply available to get units 50% supply, all units requesting 50% and all units requesting 100% will get 50%? If there's a little extra, the ones requesting 100% will get it.


The effect is more dramatic the more units you put on 50%.

For example an army of 2 units:

Available 100 supply points
Unit #1 need: 100 sup. Req: 50%. will receive around 33 sup.
Unit #2 need: 100 sup. Req: 100%. will receive around 66 sup.

With same units but 150 supply points they both would receive their full request (50sup and 100sup)

Hope this helps.

Keep in mind you can change the supply level at corps or army level to affect all units below.

Best,
Vic


< Message edited by Vic -- 4/20/2014 8:55:04 PM >

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RE: So how does Supply REALLY work? - 4/20/2014 11:22:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks a lot for the info.

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RE: So how does Supply REALLY work? - 4/22/2014 8:04:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Using hard-core supply with supply flowing down the HQ-chain.
When sub-HQs is deployed in ports it looks like they must have no superior HQ to receive optimal supply. It seems they now draw supply directly from the top HQ.
if they are part of a chain it looks like they draw from the immediate superior HQ which is probably less efficient.

Is this a correct observation?

Thanks
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RE: So how does Supply REALLY work? - 4/23/2014 10:09:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Erik Nygaard

Using hard-core supply with supply flowing down the HQ-chain.
When sub-HQs is deployed in ports it looks like they must have no superior HQ to receive optimal supply. It seems they now draw supply directly from the top HQ.
if they are part of a chain it looks like they draw from the immediate superior HQ which is probably less efficient.

Is this a correct observation?

Thanks
Erik


You have to explain a little bit better if you can. Tell me the exact two chains of HQs in the two variants you describe please.

best,
Vic


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RE: So how does Supply REALLY work? - 4/23/2014 10:55:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Vic


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ORIGINAL: Erik Nygaard

Using hard-core supply with supply flowing down the HQ-chain.
When sub-HQs is deployed in ports it looks like they must have no superior HQ to receive optimal supply. It seems they now draw supply directly from the top HQ.
if they are part of a chain it looks like they draw from the immediate superior HQ which is probably less efficient.

Is this a correct observation?

Thanks
Erik


Original, all units in Germany:
OKW HQ -> Korps HQ -> Div HQ -> Reg HQ

I move the divison and regiment to Norway.
Two possible chains, keep the original or change to:
Div HQ (in port) -> Reg HQ.
The Div HQ no longe has a superior HQ. This shorter chain produces more supply to the Reg HQ than the original chain.

Hope this helps
Erik

You have to explain a little bit better if you can. Tell me the exact two chains of HQs in the two variants you describe please.

best,
Vic



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RE: So how does Supply REALLY work? - 4/23/2014 11:10:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Erik,

I get it now.

Its because of the ExecGiveSupply().

This distributes the supply points given over any HQs without superior HQ on hexes reachable with movementtype rulevar(99) in range rulevar(3).

So your Norwegian Div is now directly supplied by the event based supply hand out. (If it was still attached to Corps HQ in Germany the supply would flow through the chain from OKW)

If you want to have this Div without superior HQ and avoid this behaviour you will have to code something like this for giving the supply at start of turn:

tempvar1=rulevar(99) //make a copy of original value
rulevar(99) = Land only supply movement type //so the supply will not be able to reach HQs overseas.
ExecGiveSupply()
rulevar(99)=tempvar1 //reset the original movement type to keep the rest of the supply functioning as it was.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Vic

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