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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/17/2014 7:24:41 PM   
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I think Bullwinkle has a valid point. Going for Wake/Marcus should have a larger objective then just go there for the sake of going there. GJ can quite easily get those back (although at some cost). You got nothing to lose but a few xAKs. Its well worth a try IMO. Have a few ready to try and sneak through. Don´t bother with escorts and stuff. Just create a bunch of 1-2 ship xAK TFs.

Air search is quite fickle and I have successfully dodged it many, many times. 20k supply on PI can change the war by forcing GJ to divert critical forces from other places.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/17/2014 8:46:01 PM   
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The mission to supply the PI remains on the table, but ONLY if GJ completely ignores a move to Cent Pac. I won't plan for him to make a mistake ...

Well, that's exactly what you should do .. plan for his mistakes (Lao Tsu, Belisarius, Charles X, Fredrick, Napoleon, Mao). What they didn't say is one should have plans in place to take advantage of those mistakes. One must have a strategic vision of their own. Catch-as-catch-can isn't part of it. With a vision of their own, one can see an opponent's moves as mistakes. Without a vision, an opponent's moves are simply ... moves.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/17/2014 9:00:46 PM   
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You can route to avoid Babel-de-bob and Davao air search. That's why Wake and Marcus. It's a big ocean. But if you're not going to resupply the PI there's no reason to do the other two. They aren't hold-able now and you'll lose good assets.


The PI is still in play, but only if he lets it be. I can waste a bunch of ships but that doesn't help me come time for AV, and that's my main concern.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/17/2014 10:58:13 PM   
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The mission to supply the PI remains on the table, but ONLY if GJ completely ignores a move to Cent Pac. I won't plan for him to make a mistake ...

Well, that's exactly what you should do .. plan for his mistakes (Lao Tsu, Belisarius, Charles X, Fredrick, Napoleon, Mao). What they didn't say is one should have plans in place to take advantage of those mistakes. One must have a strategic vision of their own. Catch-as-catch-can isn't part of it. With a vision of their own, one can see an opponent's moves as mistakes. Without a vision, an opponent's moves are simply ... moves.


This is it exactly.

If I go in thinking simply that I'll plan my op, go forward and do it, step by step, and that I must get to resupply the PI or it's a bust, that won't get me far.

I plan on trying to play with flexible objectives, making moves to which there are counters, but understanding that those counters necessarily open something else, and being ready to take advantage of those openings for new objectives. GJ is a very good player, and he reacts well to threats. I have to use that against him, and to do that I have to make threats and carry them out, then see how much he covers and where the small openings may be. His moves will only be 'mistakes' if I make them so, if I can take advantage.

So far he's taken good advantage of my 'mistakes' in the opening moves. I haven't yet made very many of his moves into 'mistakes.' Now, if a CV or two from the KB had been sunk by subs in the IO would that move to interdict shipping on the far edge of the map have been a 'mistake?' Maybe. Or maybe just unlucky. But it wouldn't have been unlucky if I didn't put 20 subs in his way.

What I mean above is that I have to plan for 'best' play while watching out for anything less. So I can't assume he'll leave openings that are easily taken advantage of, but instead have to prepare for his 'best' reaction and prepare to still be able to do something positive. Then if he leaves more, the overall strategic vision should help me determine what I can use and how far to go.

I know vaguely where I want to go, but his moves will determine where I will best be able to go as well.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/17/2014 11:04:32 PM   
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I think Bullwinkle has a valid point. Going for Wake/Marcus should have a larger objective then just go there for the sake of going there. GJ can quite easily get those back (although at some cost). You got nothing to lose but a few xAKs. Its well worth a try IMO. Have a few ready to try and sneak through. Don´t bother with escorts and stuff. Just create a bunch of 1-2 ship xAK TFs.

Air search is quite fickle and I have successfully dodged it many, many times. 20k supply on PI can change the war by forcing GJ to divert critical forces from other places.


The ships will be loaded and ready, and if the opportunity is there, I'll use it.

The larger objective of the op is about India. That area is still fluid and if the KB simply moves back I may not need what i'm planning, hence the name, 'boomerang.' If it missed it'll come right back. No weapons lost.

Torsten did sneak a few xAK through my air search as single ships in Feb-March 42 in my second PBEM as Japan, but after the first ships arrived and started unloading I just placed a Val group on Luzon, and they trained up nicely hitting xAKs the day after they arrived to unload supply.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/18/2014 8:13:33 AM   
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Sounds like a good plan! Just getting him to react to you is a small victory!

Reading your AAR is starting my AE itch again!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/18/2014 8:44:08 AM   
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Feb 19 - 21, 1942



SUBS: GJ placed a sub right at the probable exit from the canal zone to PH. Smart man. The I-23 hits an escorting DMS in a very valuable TF of AK/AP/AKV. Won't be using this route again. Two ML near Karachi put a licking on I-164 with two direct hits, leaving the sub on fire with heavy damage. Nice.

INDIA: The Fighters at Colombo get beat down by three big A6M sweeps. One the day we lose 1:2 airframes but only 9 pilots kiled out of 50+ downed. I bet he lost more, and better. At least that is the only thing I can hope for if the zero is doing this well. All groups will move to Bangalore and on to Bombay to replenish airframes and get new and (hopefully) somewhat competent pilots added in. My standard is improving, but it's not where I want or need it yet, obviously.

The para-assault goes for Imphal, which was undefended. All smaller units and base forces around are moving for Ledo. It's a river crossing there, so tougher.

One section of the AVG flies into Chittagong to hit bombers there. It does get about 15-20 but then is knocked out when the base is taken. I'm fine with that, as I can't support all of these with new airframes anyway now. I'll keep the other two in China for now.

Pacific: The slow race continues, and now five I-boats trail the Yorktown and her numerous escorts. Only 3-4 hexes to Kona now and I thought about stopping off there, but think now I'll go the whole way in to PH if possible. I'll mine Lanai and send York through the islands.

CHINA: Our larger Corps makes it to the contested hex in the woods near Pingsiang. This solidifies the line and the two units now moving in will also close the opposite hex sides to make sure he can't move thought the 'unowned' hex.

SIGINT: Interesting. RF guns (AT) won't tend to be costly to buy out, so this could be real. Perth is doing well with preparations, anyway.

1st RF Gun Battalion is planning for an attack on Perth.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR February 19, 42
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Morning Air attack on Colombo , at 29,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 4
Hurricane IIb Trop x 16
P-39D Airacobra x 51
P-40E Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
I-15-III: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 4 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
15 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Colombo , at 29,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 31

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 3
Hurricane IIb Trop x 12
P-39D Airacobra x 35
P-40E Warhawk x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
I-15-III: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 3 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Colombo , at 29,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 1
Hurricane IIb Trop x 7
P-39D Airacobra x 20
P-40E Warhawk x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 5 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
27 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 103 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 62
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 24
Ki-27b Nate x 3
Ki-30 Ann x 9
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 26


Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
24 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
21 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
21 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/18/2014 8:46:57 AM   
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Sounds like a good plan! Just getting him to react to you is a small victory!

Reading your AAR is starting my AE itch again!


Ha!! Hope its gets red and inflamed! You'll get a game going when things quiet, hopefully!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/18/2014 3:51:48 PM   
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PHILIPPINE RE-SUPPLY



Here is some more info on the current state of the PI. With the fields this wiped out I'm not sure supply will really make much difference here now.

The two routes possible seem to be North of Mindanao around Leyte, then up. Legaspi has a base force and search, so this seems unlikely to be effective.

The other route North of Luzon is well within range of Takao on Formosa, but of course the strike planes and search may have been moved away. The other major threat here is constant shipping traffic.

All of this may be irrelevant if the KB and company move out of sight and possibly back to the Pacific. It looks like from SIGINT that they may be in Singapore now. Lots of traffic there, and it would be about the right moment. We'll likely know soon if they're heading West again.






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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/18/2014 6:44:32 PM   
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My vote is route 2...the other runs into Formosa!!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 12:48:27 AM   
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Looks like you could avoid passing through a couple of IJA base hexes by going close to Panay and then via Busuanga.

Any reports from your spies whether the woman in the sedan chair is secretly "going commando"?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 1:54:29 AM   
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My vote is route 2...the other runs into Formosa!!


I would actually combine the two. Run northerly, north of the Marianas...If he hasn't set up search from the Bonins yet, you could run north of Marcus, south of the Bonins, and then run in from due east of Luzon. Once you get close, circle around to the south side and slip through the middle of the PI chain. That's what I'd try to do, depending on his search patterns.

EDIT: Another thought. If he's reconning Manila, he may detect you unloading and know what's going on. If you want to be completely undetected, I'd try unloading at Iba or Bataan - if he isn't keeping up a DL on them. Of course, if he sees you on the way in those last few days, you may as well unload at Manila anyway.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 10:31:17 AM   
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My vote is route 2...the other runs into Formosa!!


I would actually combine the two. Run northerly, north of the Marianas...If he hasn't set up search from the Bonins yet, you could run north of Marcus, south of the Bonins, and then run in from due east of Luzon. Once you get close, circle around to the south side and slip through the middle of the PI chain. That's what I'd try to do, depending on his search patterns.

EDIT: Another thought. If he's reconning Manila, he may detect you unloading and know what's going on. If you want to be completely undetected, I'd try unloading at Iba or Bataan - if he isn't keeping up a DL on them. Of course, if he sees you on the way in those last few days, you may as well unload at Manila anyway.


He doesn't have a DL on Iba, and only sporadically on Bataan. He does seem to have search here though as when I move the PTs they are picked up. I could also try to confuse the search by keeping PTs at those bases. As we know, indications of ship type are not often completely correct.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 11:15:17 AM   
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YORKTOWN MAKES IT TO PEARL!!!

Pacific: The long saga of limping back to Pearl with most of the Pacific Fleet as escort finally is over. She is safe in port, but the repair will not be short. The best estimate is about 130 days. This may decrease as other BBs finish repairs. Two are due out of the dock within the month. I'll send two more that are seaworthy but need extensive time repairing serious float damage to Bremerton. All of the Japanese subs seem to be retreating as shown by search, so that transit will commence as soon as the BBs are out of dock. Hornet will arrive in 11 days and move to PH.

SUBS: The Skipjack hits Yugumo with one fish. Nice. Love getting those modern Japanese DDs down.

INDIA: The 4E barrage continues as they target industry recently taken by the IJ at Hyderabad. more forward para-drops take cities closer to Delhi, 11 and 12 hexes, so some will also be focused on taking out airfields early to reduce the ability to fly those troops in and out, damaging transports and reducing supply. Madras falls to one division, and currently it has a strong group of A6M CAP. The Allied fighters from Colombo are transiting back to Bombay. I'll have about 120 in Bombay and 150 in Karachi in the next few days. Karachi made level 6 fields and Bombay just made level 5. I'll now focus exclusively on forts until both get to level 6.

CHINA: Just resting units here now. I sense the IJA will wait for air support to try again near Sian and in the center.

DEI: Batavia is handing on, and a few more troops move to Darwin where they will transit back to rebuild in SE OZ. A few nice big engineer units and a tank regiment arrive in Melbourne and will make sure Perth is a tough nut to crack. This addition will send it to 900AV and it's nearing forts 4.

SIGINT: I'd say this looks pretty real. Interesting. The questions is, should I reinforce or pull out? I'm leaning toward getting anything decent out, which would mean buying the NZ units there. Hmmmm. I'll send some xAP to the area just in case and start to get Pago Pago, Penrhyn and Christmas island beefed up as much as possible. Canton could use another small tank or infantry unit as well to get it up around 100 AV and make it tough to take. Both it and Pago have reached forts 4. Two fighter and two bomber groups are embarking for Adelaide today.

Guards Mixed Brigade is planning for an attack on Suva.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR February 22, 42
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Morning Air attack on Patna , at 54,30

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 28

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Hyderabad , at 39,32

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 14

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 32
Fires 15498


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Batavia (49,98)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 937 troops, 79 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 897

Defending force 19945 troops, 176 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 403

Assaulting units:
4th Division
56th Division
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
1st Regt Cavalerie
1st KNIL Regiment
1st KNIL Landstorm Battalion
2nd KNIL Regiment
4th KNIL Landstorm Battalion
West Borneo KNIL Bn /1
Batavia KM Base Force
KNI Leger
1st KNIL AA Battalion
Batavia Defenses
Teloekbetoeng Base Force
ABDA
KNI Zeemacht
ML-KNIL
6th Avn Sup Afd
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR February 23, 42
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Morning Air attack on Hyderabad , at 39,32

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 6
Fires 4022
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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ASW attack near Trincomalee at 31,47

Japanese Ships
DD Yugumo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Sendai
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsuharu
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yukikaze

Allied Ships
SS Skipjack

SS Skipjack launches 4 torpedoes at DD Yugumo
DD Hatsuharu fails to find sub and abandons search
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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 1:20:55 PM   
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I'd put Yorktown on Pierside and chew on the 10 System. Let the shipyard finish the BBs, or maybe just Nevada even. In shipyard mode the ship is isolated from the other four sources of repair points. You have to fix both flooding and system on Yorktown eventually, so work on system and let the yard do what only the yard can do on ships near to being finished on flooding.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 1:51:05 PM   
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I'd put Yorktown on Pierside and chew on the 10 System. Let the shipyard finish the BBs, or maybe just Nevada even. In shipyard mode the ship is isolated from the other four sources of repair points. You have to fix both flooding and system on Yorktown eventually, so work on system and let the yard do what only the yard can do on ships near to being finished on flooding.


Given the level of damage to the Yorktown you may want to set it pierside, clear the system damage and then send it to the Bremerton yard to fix the major damage. It should be much faster there as you can set the priory to critical.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 1:51:24 PM   
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I'd put Yorktown on Pierside and chew on the 10 System. Let the shipyard finish the BBs, or maybe just Nevada even. In shipyard mode the ship is isolated from the other four sources of repair points. You have to fix both flooding and system on Yorktown eventually, so work on system and let the yard do what only the yard can do on ships near to being finished on flooding.


Yes. Good point. I changed it this turn, and the Nevada is now down to 19 days. Once that is finished I'll pop it back to shipyard.


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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 2:39:41 PM   
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Sounds like a good plan! Just getting him to react to you is a small victory!

Reading your AAR is starting my AE itch again!


Ha!! Hope its gets red and inflamed! You'll get a game going when things quiet, hopefully!


Yeah, 4 weeks ago I was pretty sure I wan´t going to play another PBEM. Not so sure anymore which is probably a good sign!

Whats your take on PDU OFF so far? I know its early still but any initial feelings?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 2:40:37 PM   
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I'd put Yorktown on Pierside and chew on the 10 System. Let the shipyard finish the BBs, or maybe just Nevada even. In shipyard mode the ship is isolated from the other four sources of repair points. You have to fix both flooding and system on Yorktown eventually, so work on system and let the yard do what only the yard can do on ships near to being finished on flooding.


Given the level of damage to the Yorktown you may want to set it pierside, clear the system damage and then send it to the Bremerton yard to fix the major damage. It should be much faster there as you can set the priory to critical.


It's too much of a risk to move her again. I had several pump failures coming from Penrhyn. It's a longer trip to the west coast with no LBA support. I'll take my chances at Pearl. The BBs are easier, can make 4 hexes a day and if I start now the sub danger should be minimal as they head back to replenish.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 3:16:14 PM   
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Keep in mind that once down to 5 major floatation, you don't need the shipyard... I expect you know this already, but just to be sure. I would be flipping Yorktown in/out of the dock depending on what else is going on with my ships... Like Bullwinkle, I like to play with the repair estimates every day.

It looks like you're sending Oklahoma and Arizon to the WC for final repairs. I'd be careful with Oklahoma... You should at least knock that 7 System damage off before sending her with 58 Float. Maryland and California could head for Puget Sound as well. Ships with that level of damage... I would spread them - 2 at Puget, 1 in the SF Bay area. If you send Oklahoma also, 2 in each of those places. Mare Island or Alameda has a bigger SY than San Francisco does (something I didn't notice until recently).

And I'd keep Yorktown at Pearl. Once you got her down to being able to conduct flight ops to provide her own ASW coverage, you'd be in the range of may as well just keep her there due to transit times anyway. No real reason to send her to CONUS only to send her back out later. At least with the BBs when you do so, they can act as torpedo bait in a convoy or something.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 5:59:06 PM   
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Keep in mind that once down to 5 major floatation, you don't need the shipyard... I expect you know this already, but just to be sure. I would be flipping Yorktown in/out of the dock depending on what else is going on with my ships... Like Bullwinkle, I like to play with the repair estimates every day.

It looks like you're sending Oklahoma and Arizon to the WC for final repairs. I'd be careful with Oklahoma... You should at least knock that 7 System damage off before sending her with 58 Float. Maryland and California could head for Puget Sound as well. Ships with that level of damage... I would spread them - 2 at Puget, 1 in the SF Bay area. If you send Oklahoma also, 2 in each of those places. Mare Island or Alameda has a bigger SY than San Francisco does (something I didn't notice until recently).

And I'd keep Yorktown at Pearl. Once you got her down to being able to conduct flight ops to provide her own ASW coverage, you'd be in the range of may as well just keep her there due to transit times anyway. No real reason to send her to CONUS only to send her back out later. At least with the BBs when you do so, they can act as torpedo bait in a convoy or something.

I've been doing a lot of flipping ships in and out too. I agree with your notes. I'll probably send Oklahoma though just because the timing is right to get her 10-15 hexes from Pearl with no subs nearby.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/19/2014 8:47:30 PM   
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Yeah, I hadn't checked in Babes, so I was thinking Bremerton was the biggest, but it's 150 and Alameda is 180. San Fran is 140. There is more naval Support, at least now, at Bremerton though. I'll send these first two to Alameda as it's a closer ride by 5-7 hexes and subs have been active around the mouth of the Puget Sound and Vancouver Island, but not so much farther South.

Changed Oklahoma's Captain for a guy (forget the name now) with 72 naval and great leadership. That should help too.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/20/2014 8:03:26 AM   
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Hey newbie here and just caught up with this AAR, exciting stuff. Playing my own allied PBEM and having a much easier time of things than you!

I also have a very overloaded shipyard at Pearl and was wondering what damage could a BB have and still have a very good chance of making it to the West Coast? I errored earlier and lost BB Pennsylvania, system damage was high, lesson learnt there. Any insights would be very much appreciated.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/20/2014 8:10:06 AM   
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Feb 24 - 26, 1942



SUBS: Pickerel goes down after repeated DC attacks at Trincomalee. Japanese ASW is actually doing much better than the Allied so far. Even the PBs are getting good hits in the shallows.

INDIA: Para-payback is going to be a bitch. The entire Malaya and India offensives have been para-driven. All forward shots at small undefended bases and then troops railing behind. It works, and there is not much for the Allied side to do now except bomb the crap out of undefended bases. One day though, the Chindits and other para-units will be able to respond, and that is going to be fun.

After the 4Es had their way for a few days on the front lines GJ sends in a big expert zero group and also some Oscars. Unfortunately we bombed the base next door. Lost 6 4E on the days for about 5 fighters. It would be really nice if the Allies had any recon at this stage. There is one 10 hex Hurri unit of two planes and that is it!

At Colombo the IJA tries a DA and lowers forts to 2 but takes much higher casualties. Must be the tanks here. Good to know as there are some more at Karachi. Nice that something can slow the hordes at this point.

Pacific: The Oklahoma and Arizona get a good start toward the west coast. no subs in sight. Ships move up to remove the brigade from Suva and bring it to Pago.

I sense not only based on SIGINT but on the sudden absence of the KB that something more is coming in the Pacific or IO. Or both. If the KB doesn't show itself soon then Boomerang will be scrapped and most efforts will be centered around building up rear defenses in deep So Pac and NZ and into OZ while continuing to solidify the North.

CHINA: Gone quiet. Good.

PI: The IJA bring in a division and finally crush resistance at Malaybalay.

SIGINT: The KB?

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Babeldaob (90,97).

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR February 24, 42
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Submarine attack near Trincomalee at 31,47

Japanese Ships
PB Okiyu Maru
PB Hakkaisan Maru, Shell hits 1
PB Fukui Maru

Allied Ships
SS Pickerel, hits 13, and is sunk

SS Pickerel is sighted by escort
Pickerel bottoming out ....
PB Okiyu Maru attacking submerged sub ....
SS Pickerel forced to surface!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR February 25, 42
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Ground combat at Malaybalay (80,90)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21878 troops, 222 guns, 153 vehicles, Assault Value = 692

Defending force 9440 troops, 41 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 280

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 284

Allied adjusted defense: 142

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Malaybalay !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
901 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 65 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
11044 casualties reported
Squads: 546 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 450 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 17 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 59 (59 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 4


Assaulting units:
8th Tank Regiment
Kure 2nd SNLF
26th Division
5th Amphibious Brigade
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
3rd PA Constabulary Regiment
102nd PA Infantry Regiment
102nd PA Infantry Division
III Philippine Corps

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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 29221 troops, 331 guns, 123 vehicles, Assault Value = 909

Defending force 30663 troops, 247 guns, 365 vehicles, Assault Value = 410

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 580

Allied adjusted defense: 424

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2364 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 192 disabled

Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled


Allied ground losses:
295 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 35 (1 destroyed, 34 disabled)


Assaulting units:
5th Division
18th Division
3rd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Army
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
2nd Royal Tank Regiment
100th Indian Brigade
Colombo Fortress
99th Indian Brigade
98th Indian Brigade
222 Group RAF
1/3 Ceylon Base Force
21st Light AA Regiment
222 RAF Base Force
Eastern Fleet
1/1 Ceylon Base Force
2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
22nd Light AA Regiment

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Morning Air attack on Benares , at 51,27

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 63
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 24

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 16 damaged

Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Losses:

Loss of SS Pickerel on Feb 24, 1942 is admitted







Everything is in use, from elephants to bulldozers, at Ledo. Forts are going up slowly as the IJA advances on the town.





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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/20/2014 9:24:16 AM   
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Hey newbie here and just caught up with this AAR, exciting stuff. Playing my own allied PBEM and having a much easier time of things than you!

I also have a very overloaded shipyard at Pearl and was wondering what damage could a BB have and still have a very good chance of making it to the West Coast? I errored earlier and lost BB Pennsylvania, system damage was high, lesson learnt there. Any insights would be very much appreciated.


Always best to reduce system damage to 0 before moving. This is the stuff that operates the ship, so that includes damage control and other systems. If the float is over 65 I'd be wary as well, but a lot of people will move ships with an even higher level of major float at some point.

With Oklahoma I'm taking a calculated risk that the reduced sub activity currently is preferable to waiting weeks for the system to go to nothing. Also, I need escorts soon if I'll be ready to do anything offensive and don't want a bunch tied to bringing BBs to west coast ports.

It's always a risk, but changing the captain can help too. Some of the BB skippers to start are not great. Choose a high naval skill. Set to cruising speed. use plentiful escorts. Make sure you have search planes looking for subs, night and day.

Weird stuff happens. Sometimes ships just get into trouble. I've had ships with very high float damage, in the 80s, make it home, but others founder with much lower levels of damage.



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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/20/2014 12:25:04 PM   
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After the 4Es had their way for a few days on the front lines GJ sends in a big expert zero group and also some Oscars. Unfortunately we bombed the base next door. Lost 6 4E on the days for about 5 fighters. It would be really nice if the Allies had any recon at this stage. There is one 10 hex Hurri unit of two planes and that is it!


One of the things I did for RA was to increase the number of recon planes the Allies get. The groups come in close to full and the replacement rate was increased significantly. You get spoiled playing Japan in this one area. In my DBB game in March '44, I'm still short recon planes for a lot of groups.

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Yeah, not until somewhere in late 44 that I had enough recon to fill everything out.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/20/2014 2:48:05 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Hey newbie here and just caught up with this AAR, exciting stuff. Playing my own allied PBEM and having a much easier time of things than you!

I also have a very overloaded shipyard at Pearl and was wondering what damage could a BB have and still have a very good chance of making it to the West Coast? I errored earlier and lost BB Pennsylvania, system damage was high, lesson learnt there. Any insights would be very much appreciated.


Always best to reduce system damage to 0 before moving. This is the stuff that operates the ship, so that includes damage control and other systems. If the float is over 65 I'd be wary as well, but a lot of people will move ships with an even higher level of major float at some point.

With Oklahoma I'm taking a calculated risk that the reduced sub activity currently is preferable to waiting weeks for the system to go to nothing. Also, I need escorts soon if I'll be ready to do anything offensive and don't want a bunch tied to bringing BBs to west coast ports.

It's always a risk, but changing the captain can help too. Some of the BB skippers to start are not great. Choose a high naval skill. Set to cruising speed. use plentiful escorts. Make sure you have search planes looking for subs, night and day.

Weird stuff happens. Sometimes ships just get into trouble. I've had ships with very high float damage, in the 80s, make it home, but others founder with much lower levels of damage.




I send them home with minimal escorts. Preferably 2 DDs, but I will send them with 1 (or with AMs) if that's what I have. I figure that at such slow speed, if a sub finds them they're dead anyway, no matter how many escorts they have. Multiple escorts may soak up or prevent an attack here and there, but a damaged BB is going to be moving more slowly than the sub. The sub can keep pace, especially if it's got float planes for search. So BB escort duty is not very high on my priority list for my escorts.

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Interesting. I've always felt more escorts allow more chances for them to be in the way and harder for a sub to penetrate. With slow tankers I've always used equal escorts to tankers. Lost more PBs in sub strikes than TK by a good margin. I'm also a stickler to get good naval and aggression for escorts to find subs and prosecute attacks. I've got 6 with these two BBs. Two DD, two PC and two AM.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/20/2014 6:09:49 PM   
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After the 4Es had their way for a few days on the front lines GJ sends in a big expert zero group and also some Oscars. Unfortunately we bombed the base next door. Lost 6 4E on the days for about 5 fighters. It would be really nice if the Allies had any recon at this stage. There is one 10 hex Hurri unit of two planes and that is it!


One of the things I did for RA was to increase the number of recon planes the Allies get. The groups come in close to full and the replacement rate was increased significantly. You get spoiled playing Japan in this one area. In my DBB game in March '44, I'm still short recon planes for a lot of groups.

It's odd because Japanese recon has few planes with cameras but a LOT of groups that can use very good recon planes. The Allies have smaller groups, fewer planes but get cameras.

Well, both sides had very good cameras, but the Allies had a great system for making recon available quickly and putting it right into use that the Japanese did not quite develop. So I get it to an extent, it's just another surprise about the early war on the Allied side.






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