Buio
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ORIGINAL: Spidey I could've said a lot of things, absolutely. But I still just answered the question. And then you hand-waved my reasons away as irrelevant bile and called me a creep, which strikes me as a generally odd reaction from someone who isn't a fan of hate posts. Regarding your question, I would actually agree that MS is a bigger "bad guy" than Valve but what has that got to do with anything? This topic isn't about MS, is it? And MS being bigger dicks than Valve doesn't even begin to imply that Valve aren't also dicks, does it? Should I pretend they're not dicks because they're not the biggest dicks alive? What kind of general principle is that based on? Do you use it in all aspects of life or does it only apply to Valve? Yeah, your post was long and ranting so I made a stupid reaction post. But as you hate Steam everything is overblown by you and sometimes I see red. So let's take a look at your reasonable reply. quote:
ORIGINAL: Spidey For one, Steam is a backdoor into your system that you've only got whatever control over that Valve allows you to have. I doubt it will get hacked anytime soon, but the occasional stealth update shows that Steam can force updates through without asking permission and regardless of your settings. Backdoor to your system? Come on. Steam does scan some things to detect hackers and to be able to ban cheaters more easy. But everybody does that, Microsoft, Blizzard, Origin, etc. "I doubt it will get hacked anytime soon" - What do you mean, that you want Steams protections to get hacked? Stealth updates? It's the publisher that publishes updates. Blaming "stealth updates" on Valve is just ignorant. quote:
ORIGINAL: Spidey On top of that, you've got zero version control. Maybe you're afforded the luxury of holding out on an update here and now, but reinstalls are with the latest version and I could swear that I've read about cases of games where you simply can't play, not even offline, unless you activate online and patch up. This won't be critical in all games but there are situations where you lose saved games with serious time investments and there are times where patches actually hurt the game more than they help. This is done to ease work for publishers. The PC market is already very fragmented and hard to support, and having Steam warn to update drivers and keeping the game to the latest version is a way to alleviate that. "lose saved games with serious time investments" - well how about all times when it is the opposite, a bug that need to be fixed quick to remove potential problems. You are just slanting everything to be bad, when often it also has a positive effect. You are also forgetting that a majority of gamers don't have your control and knowledge to keep games in perfect condition and with exact patch they want. This feature is done to help a majority getting easier gaming. But as usual it's easier to read complaints and think it's only a problem. quote:
ORIGINAL: Spidey And Steam's answer to both those problems is essentially "go **** yourself", and if you make the mistake of complaining about it on their forums then you'll get swarmed with brats spewing nonsense about how consumer rights shouldn't be and all hail the mighty freaking Valve. And how is that different from other forums on general gaming sites? If you complain or write negatively about something and is in a minority, you will get lots of retorts. This is the internet, happens everywhere. But you are applying it as a negative on Steam when it is a general problem. quote:
ORIGINAL: Spidey If that system appeals to you then fair enough. It doesn't appeal to me. I can patch my games manually just fine, I can mod my games manually just fine, and I sure can live without giving my money to Valve. If that means I can't buy certain games then that's really not my loss, is it? You choose to hate a game client and system so much that you don't use it, missing out on good games? I see it as your loss. quote:
ORIGINAL: Spidey Final thing, I do take some measure of offense from games that require online activation for offline play. And it pleases me when developers actually show me the respect of not treating me like a moron by stuffing the game they're hoping I'll like full of copy protection garbage that doesn't provide any value for me and also doesn't keep cracked versions off the pirate-infested shores of Sweden. That sort of respect and common courtesy makes me want to buy the game. The Steamworks DRM option? Not so much. So basically you are just hung up on DRM. The most important thing for you when buying a game isn't if it is good, it is that it is not on Steam or have any other form of online DRM. I would say that is having your priorities wrong. I'm not a fan of DRM, but I rate a good game much higher. Much higher. And I want to contribute to publishers that creates good games. Then you rant about pirate-infected shores of Sweden. How about checking up some fact before you type a statement like that. Below are piracy rates from 2009 (didn't find any good graph from the later reports from BSA). I believe Sweden was at 25%, USA was lowest at 20%. Don't think piracy has gone up since then, rather the opposite. Online music services like Spotify etc has reduced music piracy. http://i.imgur.com/rKuh2YA.png
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