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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/2/2014 6:40:30 AM

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I trade P-26s, P-36s for P-38s ;). I do this all in December. It requires getting one of the P-36 units out of the PI, though.

PDU-off. I can't trade out the P-38s at all. Just have to wait.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/2/2014 6:42:49 AM

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AFVs for Oz are totally different than for India so you do not have to turn one countries' units off. Matilidas and M3/Lee/Grant tank goes exclusively to Australian tank units. And you get enough of these devices to have your Aussie armor up and running by about May 1942. The Indian tank brigades are much more slower to fill out and take the Valentine, Lee or Grant tank (but not the Grant\Lee) so you do not have to worry about them losing tanks to OZ. Valentines go to India with NZ unit also taking them as well but you will need all you can get in India. Only shared tank is the Stuart but you really get enough of these to go around. Just don't put tanks in units that are due to withdraw as you will lose them all.

Thanks. Yes, this last part is what I have to check on now. Haven't seen the game in a day or two as Nic is in Sardinia lapping cocktails and laying on a beach!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/2/2014 12:54:03 PM

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A amendment to my last post. Three of the six Australian tank regiments eventually withdraw but you have them long enough and have plenty of tanks that I do fill them out and use them well. One Australian cavalry division that upgrades to armor eventually withdraws so I don't put tanks in it because you then will lose about 150 tanks. The second cavalry unit upgrade but does not withdraw. This becomes a useful and powerful armored brigade.

It is more the British and Indian tank units that you need to watch for withdrawal.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/2/2014 6:57:10 PM

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Yes, without masses of tojos in 1942, the P40K really becomes a great tool for the Allies as it is way faster than the zero or oscar. In the end, I think PDU off benefits the Allies more.

I believe this will be the case as well. Most of the PDU off games I've seen haven't made the late war where the effects of PDU off will be more apparent in my opinion. The Allies can go toe to toe against Japanese air by late 1942 with PDU off. The skill of the Japanese player is going to be a huge factor in getting the most out of PDU off and will have to prioritize deployment of the best Japanese aircraft. I think the Allied bomber forces become more of a factor as well against weaker opposition until Japan gets some bomber killers in their arsenal and even then they may not have enough of them. Time will tell, but I want to see late war PBEM's with PDU off. We'll really see the effect on the game with this option then, because 1942 is way too soon to see if Japan will still be competitive in the air war or simply simulate the RL debacle that was the Japanese air force in the late war. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to be an Allied player in a PDU off game.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/2/2014 10:05:27 PM

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Yes, without masses of tojos in 1942, the P40K really becomes a great tool for the Allies as it is way faster than the zero or oscar. In the end, I think PDU off benefits the Allies more.

I believe this will be the case as well. Most of the PDU off games I've seen haven't made the late war where the effects of PDU off will be more apparent in my opinion. The Allies can go toe to toe against Japanese air by late 1942 with PDU off. The skill of the Japanese player is going to be a huge factor in getting the most out of PDU off and will have to prioritize deployment of the best Japanese aircraft. I think the Allied bomber forces become more of a factor as well against weaker opposition until Japan gets some bomber killers in their arsenal and even then they may not have enough of them. Time will tell, but I want to see late war PBEM's with PDU off. We'll really see the effect on the game with this option then, because 1942 is way too soon to see if Japan will still be competitive in the air war or simply simulate the RL debacle that was the Japanese air force in the late war. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to be an Allied player in a PDU off game.

Nic had just played a PDU-ON game where the Japanese had all late war fighters by mid-to-late 44 and the Allies could do nothing against J7W and Ki-83 and Ki84r in numbers. i know enough from the Japanese side to think that if a player has no restrictions on the Japanese side they can make the air war unplayable for the Allies in the late war. Reading Jocke's AAR now I realize even in my rookie campaign and without trying to optimize everything, I was able to make enough very good planes to tie the Allies in knots at times until the P-47N arrived in numbers.

This game is PDU-off at Nic's suggestion. We both want to try to get a better balance, and with his skill and knowledge I'm betting the Japanese will still field a tough air force, expertly utilized, right to the end of the game. In the very end ALL paths end in a great fighter anyway! So if he makes it far enough suddenly I'll be facing a lot of tough planes. Hopefully the gains in the middle war can keep the Allied side on pace to catch up early losses and push toward being near historical schedules. This is my first time through though, and I'm sure I'll make some more mistakes as well, but as Jocke showed it's still possible for good play late to catch the Allies up.

I do like the idea that I'll see a lot of different planes, and I'll use all of them too, even the FM-1 that I rarely see around in other games.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 4:42:22 AM

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Nic had just played a PDU-ON game where the Japanese had all late war fighters by mid-to-late 44 and the Allies could do nothing against J7W and Ki-83 and Ki84r in numbers. i know enough from the Japanese side to think that if a player has no restrictions on the Japanese side they can make the air war unplayable for the Allies in the late war. Reading Jocke's AAR now I realize even in my rookie campaign and without trying to optimize everything, I was able to make enough very good planes to tie the Allies in knots at times until the P-47N arrived in numbers.

This game is PDU-off at Nic's suggestion. We both want to try to get a better balance, and with his skill and knowledge I'm betting the Japanese will still field a tough air force, expertly utilized, right to the end of the game. In the very end ALL paths end in a great fighter anyway! So if he makes it far enough suddenly I'll be facing a lot of tough planes. Hopefully the gains in the middle war can keep the Allied side on pace to catch up early losses and push toward being near historical schedules. This is my first time through though, and I'm sure I'll make some more mistakes as well, but as Jocke showed it's still possible for good play late to catch the Allies up.

I do like the idea that I'll see a lot of different planes, and I'll use all of them too, even the FM-1 that I rarely see around in other games.

+1

I think PDU OFF will be fun for both sides. There is a lot of problems for the allies early on as I�m just starting to find out...

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 7:35:30 AM

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Nic just got back from his sun time and should have a new turn for me today.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 9:25:52 AM

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Could we (I) get a screen of China please!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 10:44:25 AM

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Could we (I) get a screen of China please!

Here is the current situation. Sian has recovered up to around 2050AV in the past month since the attack there. The more shattered and smaller units are heading into the mountains behind it where in recon it will be impossible to tell what is actually there. In the woods on the SE approaches to the city are 1300 AV well dug in.

All over China units are getting to the 3-4 forts area after digging for a good while. This will make progress tough, but a potential downside is if they are attacked they will take longer to retreat and thus be almost destroyed before they move back. Or maybe this is good to get the areas behind figured out.

There is still a good reserve at Changsha for theta front, and around Liuchow another two big Corps are moving down as reserve to fill in near Nanning should that be a target.

On the Burma side mostly the smaller spit Corps are holding the lines, but there is also the burma division at Lashio which is slowly recovering and hasn't been challenged yet. If seriously threatened it will move up into China.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 11:16:44 AM

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Thanks!

Wow you are doing WELL!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 2:17:47 PM

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Thanks!

Wow you are doing WELL!

It could all change once he gets serious in the air there. If you remember I sent in the IJNAF with two big expert zero groups and a few Nettie groups for LR use. Due to the India campaign they've been used there, but that could change any time.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 2:42:54 PM

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Hi Erik,

My post was not intended as a criticism of PDU off, nor the decision by Nic and yourself to choose it. It was offered merely as an opinion based on my playing 15 months of game time with PDU off in a Scenario 1 game.

I have no doubt that you both will relish the challenge and my comment about needing a skilled Japanese opponent to maximize the capabilities under PDU off was in fact a tip of the hat to Nic. He is a skilled and tenacious opponent.

Not having seen many PDU off games go into 1944/45, I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the air war to develop more along historic lines, which is the entire point of PDU off. If Nic can still compete in the air war AFTER 1942 and well into 44/45, I'll be the first to re-evaluate my thoughts on PDU off. The game has changed monumentally from my stock Scenario 1 game back in 2009, so of course my experience is based on that fact. A full campaign with PDU off under DaBabes and the recent beta's has yet to be seen. I'm just as curious as the next person to see how it plays out.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 3:56:30 PM

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Hi Erik,

My post was not intended as a criticism of PDU off, nor the decision by Nic and yourself to choose it. It was offered merely as an opinion based on my playing 15 months of game time with PDU off in a Scenario 1 game.

I have no doubt that you both will relish the challenge and my comment about needing a skilled Japanese opponent to maximize the capabilities under PDU off was in fact a tip of the hat to Nic. He is a skilled and tenacious opponent.

Not having seen many PDU off games go into 1944/45, I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the air war to develop more along historic lines, which is the entire point of PDU off. If Nic can still compete in the air war AFTER 1942 and well into 44/45, I'll be the first to re-evaluate my thoughts on PDU off. The game has changed monumentally from my stock Scenario 1 game back in 2009, so of course my experience is based on that fact. A full campaign with PDU off under DaBabes and the recent beta's has yet to be seen. I'm just as curious as the next person to see how it plays out.

I think Eriks point was that by end game (44-46) most squadrons have upgraded to quite potent aircraft. I went through all starting squadrons and IJA ones seem to end with either the Frank-R or the last Tojo. Landbased IJN with the Shinden. That being said their route to get there might not be as pleasant. But the same thing is true for the Allied side.

What might be different is how the Jap player can use his air force. It will no longer be possible to focus on one single great AC like the Tojo in 42 and the Frank in 44. So instead of completely dominating the skies with sheer numbers both sides will probably have to pick their battles with limited top notch fighters backed up by less potent ones like late Tojos/P40 for example. That being said PDU OFF will probably make fighters like the P47 even more powerful and it will bring more allied planes into play like the P38 and P40 models. At least the last point is a positive one I think.

I think (and hope) it will lead to a better airwar with a slower pace and more variety. Also hope it will lead to more finesse then just throwing P47s against hordes of Franks.

Also worth taking note of is that the Jap player will still have a huge numerical advantage. And will save a couple of million worth of supplies that can now be used to maintain the army and build defenses.

I�m hopeful at least it will bring a more interesting and fun air war for both sides!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 3:56:49 PM

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Hi Erik,

My post was not intended as a criticism of PDU off, nor the decision by Nic and yourself to choose it. It was offered merely as an opinion based on my playing 15 months of game time with PDU off in a Scenario 1 game.

I have no doubt that you both will relish the challenge and my comment about needing a skilled Japanese opponent to maximize the capabilities under PDU off was in fact a tip of the hat to Nic. He is a skilled and tenacious opponent.

Not having seen many PDU off games go into 1944/45, I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the air war to develop more along historic lines, which is the entire point of PDU off. If Nic can still compete in the air war AFTER 1942 and well into 44/45, I'll be the first to re-evaluate my thoughts on PDU off. The game has changed monumentally from my stock Scenario 1 game back in 2009, so of course my experience is based on that fact. A full campaign with PDU off under DaBabes and the recent beta's has yet to be seen. I'm just as curious as the next person to see how it plays out.

It seems to me that there needs to be a little bit extra given to the Japanese player to help with PDU-off in game. This is Scen 30, the DBB version of Scen 2, so a few more air groups, planes arriving earlier, and few more good LCU for the opening.

We see what that does when the Japanese player can be halfway through India in March 42. Nic has used his forces really well and has pushed hard, playing Malaya and Singapore perfectly. I now have to play with the threat of AV which of course makes the Allied player need to do something instead of simply waiting for the Essex class. I like that pressure.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 4:17:54 PM

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I think Eriks point was that by end game (44-46) most squadrons have upgraded to quite potent aircraft.

I understood Erik's comment.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 5:04:42 PM

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We see what that does when the Japanese player can be halfway through India in March 42. Nic has used his forces really well and has pushed hard, playing Malaya and Singapore perfectly. I now have to play with the threat of AV which of course makes the Allied player need to do something instead of simply waiting for the Essex class. I like that pressure.

Still, you did not do badly. The Allies can't fight much but they have to fight for something. Your CV's are more or less intact, you have most of the Northern Pacific (which he has to guard against, the Philippines hang on which might be trouble if supplied, China remains unfinished business and it you didn't leave much standing in places you lost. The next few months suck because you don't get many new toys and you can't really offer a significant challenge anywhere. So you train, build, repair, move supplies, repeat. Your time is coming, just not for a while yet

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 5:27:10 PM

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Could we (I) get a screen of China please!

Here is the current situation. Sian has recovered up to around 2050AV in the past month since the attack there. The more shattered and smaller units are heading into the mountains behind it where in recon it will be impossible to tell what is actually there. In the woods on the SE approaches to the city are 1300 AV well dug in.

All over China units are getting to the 3-4 forts area after digging for a good while. This will make progress tough, but a potential downside is if they are attacked they will take longer to retreat and thus be almost destroyed before they move back. Or maybe this is good to get the areas behind figured out.

There is still a good reserve at Changsha for theta front, and around Liuchow another two big Corps are moving down as reserve to fill in near Nanning should that be a target.

On the Burma side mostly the smaller spit Corps are holding the lines, but there is also the burma division at Lashio which is slowly recovering and hasn't been challenged yet. If seriously threatened it will move up into China.

The paradox is that with success in China comes a price. With all supply from the West now cut off you might end up with too many mouths to feed.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 6:16:15 PM

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Very true. Another reason for keeping reinforcements off for most units. Once supply drain starts from bombing it'll be tough to hold many spots, but I hope the forts can help there. I haven't built up base forts much either to conserve supply.

The last month without much fighting has seen supply rise all over China in spite of the many units healing hundreds of disabled squads. The slower it goes the better!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 9:09:23 PM

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Very true. Another reason for keeping reinforcements off for most units. Once supply drain starts from bombing it'll be tough to hold many spots, but I hope the forts can help there. I haven't built up base forts much either to conserve supply.

China with stacking limits is more defensible than ever before. However, if you lose the supply input from India via Ledo that could change everything. I'd recommend you defend every base that creates supply, but understand they will fall once the forts are reduced. Every siege will buy you time and create zombie troops in exchange for sacrificing the defending units. Where China becomes a nightmare for Japan with SL's are the non-base hexes with 20-25k maximum as they are always 3x terrain if I recall. Look for these kinds of hexes and any that are key road junctions or protect against flanking critical bases or positions. Max these hexes out and get fort levels to 3 or 4. These will cause slow battles of attrition that require time to overcome. Essentially, under SL's, hexes become atolls for combat purposes. Fight within the stacking limits and the Japanese will have to resort to long periods of wearing down the defence before a successful assault will clear the hex. If Nic becomes impatient and overstacks in an effort to bludgeon his way through it will fail. Not only does overstacking use up more supply, but the combat penalty becomes prohibitive the greater the degree. I learned this first hand as I was under the impression overstacking simply used more supply, it doesn't, it incurs the same combat penalties associated with attacking atolls. The more overstacking, the more disruption attacking troops suffer. The combination of defensive terrain, field fortifications and the atoll equivalent of every non-base hex means China is now a meat grinder for Japan. If the Chinese are allowed to establish a MLR as you are in the process of doing in 3x terrain it's going to be extremely tough for Japan to overcome.

Treat every hex as an atoll and max out the SL and Nic is going to be in a world of hurt trying to make headway. Don't sweat Japanese bombers as they will make next to no impact on Chinese troops dug into 3x defensive terrain under the changes to bombing in DaBabes.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/3/2014 10:40:50 PM

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Where IJAAF bombers will make the biggest difference is in Sian and in supply destruction at other bases. They are still a huge factor, and even once forts are built they increase disruption some if they don't kill as many squads. I do feel like China is in good shape, but the introduction of air forces and possibly more free troops could change that in a hurry. To really push through against Jocke I brought 3kAV of experienced troops from the PI and DEI. I brought in the IJAAF and the INJNAF bombers, and bought all of the armor from Manchuria. I've not seen armor divisions here yet, so they could change things too.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/4/2014 3:28:41 PM

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March 17-18, 1942

The game resumes and Nic keeps rolling, landing in Darwin.

SUBS: The ASW outside of SF get a few hits on I-boats there, likely sending two home for repairs. Good timing. I'm about to send two more BBs to the West coast.

INDIA: Para-drops move the front lines closer and closer to Bombay and Ahmedabad. I'm sending a few armor units to shore it up at Ahmedabad and Surat, but I won't commit them until I know what he's heading for and how much he might bring. Hard to do without recon, but the Lysanders can at least give me a look once they are close.

Pacific: The Indomitable, Hornet and Lex make SD and move out into the Pacific toward PH.

CHINA: Nothing.

OZ: Fleeing units will get run down by tanks if I don't get planes in to bomb them. I'll try to get Alice Springs to level 2 and get some LR Hudsons in there at least for annoyance. Most units have a good head start though. About 8-10 subs are working this part of OZ and will do their best to harass the KB and company. If the KB comes toward Perth that would give me a good shot at something in the Pacific, and just about the right time too. I'll start loading an amphibious force once the CVs have gotten within range if the possibility still exists due to the placement of the KB. There is nothing to hit at Perth, a few ARDs at Esperance, but the fleet and merchants will stay well away and LBA will try to blunt any efforts in the area.

SIGINT: This is interesting. Right now there is 950AV in Perth, 300 AV at Geraldton, a brigade at the three other possible landing sites to the South of Perth, and I'm sending another CD gun unit to Geraldton. Two US infantry regiments of the Americal division are the only local reserves, sitting in Kalgoorlie in strat mode. Three PG, one MB and one DB are landing at Esperance from Cape Town in about 4-5 days. The Aussie Kittyhawk groups are just arriving around the same time.

22nd Ind Engineer Regiment is planning for an attack on Perth.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 17, 42
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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 39570 troops, 430 guns, 134 vehicles, Assault Value = 969

Defending force 28686 troops, 321 guns, 402 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Japanese adjusted assault: 548

Allied adjusted defense: 184

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Colombo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1056 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 101 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
35723 casualties reported
Squads: 308 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2569 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 96 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 439 (439 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 514 (514 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 15

Assaulting units:
5th Division
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
27th Ind Engineer Regiment
18th Division
6th Guards Division
3rd Mortar Battalion
25th Army
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
Colombo Fortress
99th Indian Brigade
2nd Royal Tank Regiment
100th Indian Brigade
98th Indian Brigade
21st Light AA Regiment
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
Ceylon Base Force
222 Group RAF
222 RAF Base Force
2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
23rd AA Bde
Eastern Fleet
Ceylon Command
22nd Light AA Regiment

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Since I've lost western Australia, I would say that Kalgoorlie is the key. Once in Japanese hands its hard to get troops out. Two ways to take it, IMO - by para against a light defense and then by invading Esperance and driving north with tanks in the lead. If GJ is coming here, this will need to happen.

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Since I've lost western Australia, I would say that Kalgoorlie is the key. Once in Japanese hands its hard to get troops out. Two ways to take it, IMO - by para against a light defense and then by invading Esperance and driving north with tanks in the lead. If GJ is coming here, this will need to happen.

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Since I've lost western Australia, I would say that Kalgoorlie is the key. Once in Japanese hands its hard to get troops out. Two ways to take it, IMO - by para against a light defense and then by invading Esperance and driving north with tanks in the lead. If GJ is coming here, this will need to happen.

One of the reasons behind keeping the US regiments in Kalgoorlie is to keep them close to Esperance. I've also put one of the three divisions on the East coast into strat mode and I'm moving it to Port Augusta. CD guns are on the way to Esperance as well, as I sent the 16 x 6" that were here to Geraldton.

I have 45AV of a battalion and a base force dug in and prepped for Kalgoorlie, so para assault should be taken care of. If the main army lands at Esperance I'd consider brining the bulk of the forces at Perth to Kalgoorlie and fighting there.

The first installment of the USAAF is arriving just in time, but another 6 groups are coming a week behind them, and I have to decide where it might be safe to send them now. They just entered the map. I'll first aim for Adelaide and if the KB comes running turn and go for NZ until the coast is clear. Another two TFs are passing Christmas Island with support, engineers and a few FP groups, and two TFs just left PH with the last of the Americal and more base forces.

I've not had PPs to buy out many troops lately as I'm buying all of the Indian brigades and armor while their small and cheap. Once this force does get built up it won't have to just stop at the border but could keep rolling right into Burma or hop a boat and go around the whole mess.

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Get a CAT squad to Western OZ in case you havn�t already. Should give you 2-3 days of warning if you are lucky!

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Get a CAT squad to Western OZ in case you havn�t already. Should give you 2-3 days of warning if you are lucky!

I have two half full Cat groups, partially because I've lost 4 planes in three days to the KB and mini-KB. They are both in Geraldton. I'll pop a Wirraway group up here now to do the bulk of search as those are useless airframes for much else.

There is not much mystery here though, and no sneaking up. This is a full frontal move with much of the IJN from what it looks like. Here is a screen from the next turn I'm about to write up.

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March 19-21, 1942

SUBS: Snapper gets lucky with the Mk 14s and hits a troopship with two! What are the chances of that?

PI: For 78 2E bombing Manila and on the 19th only 9 hits are registered. Training?

OZ: Big things brewing here. Lots of ships heading South from the Darwin area toward Exmouth, and Exmouth itself is landed by a Naval Guard and taken. Carnarvon may prove more difficult.

INDIA: Ledo is being bombed followed by Oscar sweeps so I decided to put some of the AVG there. Nothing happened the day they arrived so I took them out again. The base was again bombed the next day. Now they'll go back.

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Submarine attack near Truscott at 67,123

Japanese Ships
xAK Meigen Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Snapper

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

xAK Meigen Maru is sighted by SS Snapper
SS Snapper attacking on the surface

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 21, 42
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Morning Air attack on Ledo , at 65,38

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 37

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 65,38 (Ledo)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 16

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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March 22-23, 1942

SUBS: Ten subs swirl around and vector toward the KB and fleet near Geraldton. Will they get lucky this time? A few are either Dutch of old S-boats with working TT.

OZ:Things are getting interesting near Geraldton. The bulk of the fleet has moved in close and may be landing there next turn. Or they could be feinting to draw reserves forward before moving somewhere like Esperance. I've got a division 4-5 days out of Kalgoorlie railing in so I sent the two regiments forward in the hope of making Geraldton in 2-3 days, maybe in time to be of use there. If he bypasses that I'll turn them around and make for Kalgoorlie again.

Geraldton is ready. I wish I hadn't run out of mines, but there are 87 there now, plus the 32 x 6" CD guns and another few 4" CD guns. It'll have 3.4 forts, 350AV plus a small HQ by the 24th and the two US regiments by at least the 26th. An RN CA plus a US CA and 6 DD are near Esperance but will hold way back in case of a sprint by the KB. If he goes direct to Perth another 20+ CD guns await including 9.2" from the fort, plus the two divisions and other assorted units that would be firing back. There are 172 mines there and 4.2 forts.

One fighter group landed at Albany and the others should unload at Esperance tomorrow. The investment the Japanese have put into India makes me more able to let units leave E OZ to support Perth and that area. It would be tough to now land in E OZ as well, especially after the invasion bonus is gone. A priority will be to get troops on all coastal hexes to guard against para-drops and make sure anything landed must be done the old-fashioned way.

INDIA: The Brit 70th division arrives fully fleshed out but with may squads disabled in Karachi. With this unit and a few soon to arrive Indian infantry units, the situation has stabilized in India. I don't fear a full move here seeing what's happening in OZ and with the time I've had to consolidate. Now the pressure must be put back on the Japanese. A lot of good quality air unit have been stationed here and there must be still a huge investment of troops.

Pacific: As CVs near PH I'm looking to prepare a move in Cent Pac. Within a week troops could be moving. This is later than i'd hoped but the transit took a while from Cape Town.

Two more BB left PH for Bremerton making 14 knots on the 23rd.

CHINA: Nothing.

SIGINT: More confirmation on Perth as the goal in OZ.

5th Mortar Battalion is planning for an attack on Perth.
17/Imperial Guards Division is planning for an attack on Perth.

Where will they land?

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March 24 - 26, 1942

"I don't like paying for the same real estate twice" General George S. Patton

OZ: So, the invasion of SW OZ begins. I had prepared for this and really considered a few options, finally settling on an active defense to try and stall the first waves at Geraldton. With 32 x 6" guns I had planned on disrupting the troops enough that they'd need a few days before being able to strike here. Since he got in just under the wire of the invasion bonus the CD guns did well against the transports, but the speed of unload allowed the troops to apparently be good enough to be in decent fighting condition the day after the attack. He also added a 4th division on the second day which made the defenders crumple horribly in the DA on the 26th.

So, based on some good advice, I've decided not to pay for SW OZ just yet. I'm getting out of dodge. Everything will rail to Kalgoorlie. The rear guard will fight it's way back and any troops left will rail out to recoup in Sydney. At least this will save several divisions and a bunch of armor for later when they will be stronger. Perth will fall, which makes me upset, but it's the right choice. Losing another huge garrison would put all of OZ in jeopardy and really give GJ a shot at AV, so ti's back to the rear for a few months.

SUBS: A decent few days for subs. The KVIII nails a transport with troops near Addu. O24 and KXVIII get a shot at the KB TF, but can't make it through the escorts.

INDIA: Everything is getting quiet here except a move on Ledo to cross the river. The base will likely fall in a day or two.

Pacific: A BB TF left PH and will move to Midway where CVs wil meet it. This will head to Wake and at least give it a test bombardment to see what's there. Troops haven't quite finished prep but could be on the move soon. I'll also see what this does to the position of the KB in the IO.

CHINA: Nothing.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 25, 42
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TF 73 encounters mine field at Geraldton (49,141)

Japanese Ships
DD Arashi, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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Pre-Invasion action off Geraldton (49,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

246 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 1
BB Nagato
CL Tama
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 1
DD Tawakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arare
DD Minegumo
APD Fuji
xAKL Tokuwa Maru, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Miyako Maru, Shell hits 1
PB Toko Maru #4
PB Aso Maru #7
PB Kohuku Maru
PB Kenkon Maru
PB Kamitsu Maru
AMC Saigon Maru

Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
611 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled

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Amphibious Assault at Geraldton (49,141)

TF 294 troops unloading over beach at Geraldton, 49,141

Japanese ground losses:
601 casualties reported
Squads: 37 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)

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Invasion Support action off Geraldton (49,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

130 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato, Shell hits 2
CL Tama
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 1
DD Urukaze
DD Arare
DD Minegumo
AMC Saigon Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
AMC Bankok Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
AMC Awata Maru, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
AMC Akagi Maru
APD Fuji, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAKL Bunzan Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAKL Tokuwa Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Gyoun Maru
PB Toko Maru #4
PB Aso Maru #7
PB Kohuku Maru
PB Kenkon Maru
PB Kamitsu Maru
DD Tawakaze, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Montevideo Maru

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

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Ground combat at Geraldton (49,141)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 10358 troops, 107 guns, 122 vehicles, Assault Value = 347

Defending force 37470 troops, 334 guns, 354 vehicles, Assault Value = 977

Japanese ground losses:
217 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
13th Australian Brigade
4th Aus Cav Brigade
10th Cav Recce Regiment
6th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment
5th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment
Torres Strait Battalion
Geraldton Fortress
Western Command
Geraldton RAN Base Force

Defending units:
4th Division
7th Tank Regiment
56th Division
2nd Tank Regiment
5th Amphibious Brigade
16th Army
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
4th Air Division
5th Mortar Battalion

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Ground combat at Carnarvon (49,133)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6075 troops, 55 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value = 274

Defending force 7261 troops, 60 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 239

Japanese ground losses:
234 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Motor Brigade
6th Aus Cav Brigade
17th MG Battalion
Carnavon RAN Base Force
3rd RAAF Base Force

Defending units:
63rd Naval Guard Unit
Kure 3rd SNLF
32nd Nav Gsn Unit
15th Naval Guard Unit

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 26, 42
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TF 146 encounters mine field at Geraldton (49,141)

Japanese Ships
DD Uranami
DD Kasumi
DD Tanikaze
TB Hato
TB Manazuru
DD Hagikaze, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

7 mines cleared

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Night Naval bombardment of Geraldton at 49,141 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

21 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
CA Chokai
CA Atago
CL Oi
CL Kitakami

Allied ground losses:
554 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)

BB Hyuga firing at 13th Australian Brigade

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Night Naval bombardment of Geraldton at 49,141 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

48 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
CL Kuma
CL Abukuma
CL Yura, Shell hits 1

Allied ground losses:
337 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled

BB Yamashiro firing at 6th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment

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Night Naval bombardment of Carnarvon at 49,133

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Haguro
CA Myoko
DD Shiranui
DD Natsushio
DD Akigumo

Allied ground losses:
422 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 25 (2 destroyed, 23 disabled)

Port hits 16
Port fuel hits 5
Port supply hits 5

BB Kongo firing at Carnarvon
CA Suzuya firing at 3rd Motor Brigade

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Sub attack near Geraldton at 49,140

Japanese Ships
xAK Hakonesan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Bunzan Maru
xAK Hakubasan Maru
xAK Atlas Maru
PB Taijin Maru

Allied Ships
SS KXVIII

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS KXVIII launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Hakonesan Maru

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Morning Air attack on Geraldton Fortress, at 49,141 (Geraldton)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
B5N2 Kate x 100

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 6 damaged

Allied ground losses:
218 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Pre-Invasion action off Geraldton (49,141) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

118 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
CL Tama
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 4
DD Tatsukaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Arare
DD Asashio
xAK Kinugasa Maru, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nanpo Maru
PB Kohuku Maru
PB Kenkon Maru
PB Aso Maru #3
PB Musashi Maru
PB Hinode Maru #20
PB Choun Maru #21
SC Ch 7
AK Sakito Maru

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

BB Mutsu firing at 5th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment

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Ground combat at Geraldton (49,141)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33040 troops, 336 guns, 242 vehicles, Assault Value = 1332

Defending force 19413 troops, 236 guns, 310 vehicles, Assault Value = 606

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 634

Allied adjusted defense: 155

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Geraldton !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
539 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

Allied ground losses:
6231 casualties reported
Squads: 186 destroyed, 65 disabled
Non Combat: 463 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 61 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 116 (111 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 230 (228 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 11
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Division
7th Tank Regiment
4th Division
2nd Tank Regiment
56th Division
5th Amphibious Brigade
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
16th Army
4th Air Division
5th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
754th Tank Battalion
5th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment
13th Australian Brigade
4th Aus Cav Brigade
10th Cav Recce Regiment
6th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment
Torres Strait Battalion
182nd Infantry Regiment
132nd Infantry Regiment
Geraldton Fortress
Western Command
Geraldton RAN Base Force

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Ground combat at Carnarvon (49,133)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7186 troops, 62 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 230

Defending force 6929 troops, 60 guns, 142 vehicles, Assault Value = 224

Japanese adjusted assault: 85

Allied adjusted defense: 47

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
403 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
445 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 75 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Kure 3rd SNLF
63rd Naval Guard Unit
32nd Nav Gsn Unit
15th Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
6th Aus Cav Brigade
3rd Motor Brigade
17th MG Battalion
Carnavon RAN Base Force
3rd RAAF Base Force
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Ouch, that sucks. Looks like his BBs did what they are supposed to do and suppressed your troops while his where unloading.

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