Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: crsutton

You have to be a baseball fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murderers'_Row

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ORIGINAL: tocaff

The 1927 New York Yankees lineup was referred to as Murders Row as Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Tony Lazzeri and company were an awesome offensive team.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Port size in the game drives unload speeds and repair capability. While Ulithi was a vast, relatively safe anchorage, how much shore infrastructure was ever built? If you make it a 6 you're making it roughly a Brisbane, and that's nuts.

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ORIGINAL: msieving1

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Port size in the game drives unload speeds and repair capability. While Ulithi was a vast, relatively safe anchorage, how much shore infrastructure was ever built? If you make it a 6 you're making it roughly a Brisbane, and that's nuts.

I've always wished that the game had two port size ratings: one for anchorage size and another for facilities. As it is, there's really nothing to distinguish between someplace like Eniwetok, which had a large enough anchorage to hold all the navies of the world, and Wake Island, which could barely manage one or two ships.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Port size in the game drives unload speeds and repair capability. While Ulithi was a vast, relatively safe anchorage, how much shore infrastructure was ever built? If you make it a 6 you're making it roughly a Brisbane, and that's nuts.

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ORIGINAL: wdolson

The port size in game is the max size and complexity of the facilities. The game engine pretty much allows all anchorages, even at level 1 bases, to be infinite. There was some attempt in the AE effort to tie the size and number of ships anchored in a base to the base size, but it was taken out. I don't remember why exactly, but I believe it interfered with something else and there wasn't the time to fix it.

I agree the anchorage size and port size should be two different things. In the real world, if there is enough land around an anchorage, it can usually be built up to level 9. But atolls are a different matter. Places like Ulithi have a massive lagoon which is ideal for anchoring ships, but it has so little land, being able to build a size 6 port there is very generous. In the real war the port probably mazed out around level 2 or 3.

Bill

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Port size in the game drives unload speeds and repair capability. While Ulithi was a vast, relatively safe anchorage, how much shore infrastructure was ever built? If you make it a 6 you're making it roughly a Brisbane, and that's nuts.

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ORIGINAL: Capt Cliff
I disagree. To have that many ship in a "lagoon harbor" and being able to refuel, resupply and rearm them does give you the same capacity of a size 6 port. It is stupid to think you would just harbor ships there without having the ability to resupply them. Actually it is laughable.

WitP AE - Test team lead, programmer

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ORIGINAL: Capt Cliff

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Port size in the game drives unload speeds and repair capability. While Ulithi was a vast, relatively safe anchorage, how much shore infrastructure was ever built? If you make it a 6 you're making it roughly a Brisbane, and that's nuts.

I disagree. To have that many ship in a "lagoon harbor" and being able to refuel, resupply and rearm them does give you the same capacity of a size 6 port. It is stupid to think you would just harbor ships there without having the ability to resupply them. Actually it is laughable.

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ORIGINAL: Barb

Actually one can disband his complete USN even into size 0 port.Add lots of AE, AKE, AR, ARD, AG, AD, AGP, AO and whatever else you can think of... And you can rearm, refuel and repair with effect comparable to real-life Ulithi/Kwajalein/Majuro/Manus/Leyte/Kerama Retto advance base.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Capt Cliff

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Port size in the game drives unload speeds and repair capability. While Ulithi was a vast, relatively safe anchorage, how much shore infrastructure was ever built? If you make it a 6 you're making it roughly a Brisbane, and that's nuts.

I disagree. To have that many ship in a "lagoon harbor" and being able to refuel, resupply and rearm them does give you the same capacity of a size 6 port. It is stupid to think you would just harbor ships there without having the ability to resupply them. Actually it is laughable.

In your haste to post a snarky response you have once again failed to grasp the points in question. So, one more time:

1. Port size in the game drives cargo load/unload rates. Supplies and fuel for storage at ashore facilities such as tank farms and warehouse complexes. Speed is a function of pier services and civilian longshoreman assets. Hence, Brisbane= fast, and a Port Level 0 atoll=slow. If you make the atoll the same level as Brisbane it becomes Brisbane on this measure. But it has no real estate to build those facilities.

2. Ship repair, which you ignore in the reply above, is also a function of port size, the other sources of repair points (naval, support, own-ship, tenders, yards) being equal. Port-based repair point generation is an abstraction of, again, ashore brick & mortar shops combined with a skilled civilian workforce. Brisbane has them, Ulithi does not. Although that guy in the breechclout in the OP's photos could be a skilled pipefitter I suppose. And that other guy in the breechclout might have superior underwater welding skills. Regardless, make Ulithi a Port Level 6, and they'll have to learn.