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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 8:13:37 PM

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Stop talking about 9 damn it :)

I'm not ready for 9

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 8:35:12 PM

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if you can use 8, which was harder than 7, 9 won't be any different for you, there only numbers tbh GUI is the same with nearly all windows versions, just a few tweaks, but basically the same

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Stop talking about 9 damn it :)

I'm not ready for 9

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 9:24:13 PM

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I don't upgrade the OS on PCs I own. I keep the same one that I installed when I built it. I see no reason to upgrade. There is never feature/upgrade in the new OS that is must have for me.

I recently bought a laptop with 8.1 on it for my kid going to college. I have to say that I liked the changes, and it was easy to switch to a normal desktop.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 10:30:08 PM

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easy for a guy who builds computers, there has to be a just right word that applies here, what would it be?

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/22/2014 11:11:06 PM

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Where is the point of installing a new OS version just to make it look like it's predecessor?

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/23/2014 2:25:10 AM

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so true,

Windows 9 release date. As of right now, we expect to see Windows 9 in a preview build as early as September 30

beta works well btw

Seriously, Microsoft is churning these out faster (recently) then I can keep up. I guess this is one of their main money makers.

This is why I never jump on new band wagon OS's or video cards and such that is the latest suppose to be greatest (unless it's free of course)

I ran XP until they no longer supported it and then only upgraded to Vista 64 after that. Then there was a need to have Win7 so I bought a cheapo dual core 8500e or something like that for like $150 and I'm satisfied until there is a need or Vista is no longer supported.

I hardly touch Win7 because I've read so many horror stories about older games that don't work on it. Like Medieval Total War I and others.

Right now everything is working so I'm not going to upgrade until I have to again. They say if it's not broken don't fix it but Microsoft is just money grubbing now. Reminds me of OotpBB a new version every year with little tweaks and a new roster for the same full price of $39.99. I fell off that bandwagon a long time ago and I'm still happy playing the older versions I have.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/23/2014 3:23:30 AM

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tbh im speed freak, don't care about cars or stuff etc or have any nasty habits etc, so spend what money i do have on stuff i like and need, been a pc engineer all my working life so like to keep in touch.

have used all version in the past, most if not all processors and video cards over the years and now like the newest techknowledge in SSD's and the improvements in memory etc.

so each year or so i get a new board and cpu, newer memory and video card, see what's hot in the SDD market and either upgrade to a fully new pc or upgrade what i have, always sell on what i get rid of, as most stuff nowadays comes with 1 to 3 years warranty etc, so pass that on when i build for others, the loss you get is small if you buy right at the right time and don't get stuff when at a premium when just first out.

most of my friends get newer and faster pc's and i get each year a faster one to keep up, with this it's nice to have the latest O/S on it as each time a newer one comes out, most of the time it's faster, with more bells and whistles etc.

but yes agree it's not everyones cup of tea, i still spend a lot of time repairing other pc's / and O/S's for friends and ex colleges etc so again it's nice to keep upto date on the tech thats out, so i keep the knowledge also... as it's true what they say "if you don't use it, you lose it" with brain knowledge i mean

as each version of windows comes out, the speed to backup and reinstall has gone down a lot, i used to make incremental backups, but now i just drop all my backups onto a server and reinstall off a image i make when i first install the windows version i use atm.

at any one time i can have 5 to 6 pc's in the home, with up to 3 or more different O/S on them, all networked doing different stuff and used for different reasons, GF stuck with win 7 as she likes it, and tbh has far too much stuff on it for me to move her yet onto win 8.1.

why i keep and use images for all O/S is for testing stuff, it only takes 30 mins max to install almost any O/S onto a modern pc nowadays, if the image is kept up to date with patches also, this can be lower and very easy to do.

windows 8.1 for me over any other is the easiest & fastest O/S to image and reinstall, on a i7 with SDD installed it can be done in less than 30mins for both actions, to install an image only i have timed it at 13 minutes from start to fully working with all drivers and updates and all programs installed.

if i was still working and time equals money, the time spent doing it versus cost alone would make it worthwhile for me.

not everyone wants to upgrade, backup and a clean install for me is the best way as you don't take over older junk and then also you get a better newer cleaner system / O/S...

the time taken to get used to a newer O/S is no longer than a newer phone or car for most, for techies it's called fun and a hobby for myself, so either hate it or love it, we all embrace it or move onto something else.

for me linux / unix is far too hard for general use, with the cost of apple too high, android being easier than linux & unix but still not a mainstream with enough use for most users, gaming for one for me etc...

so until something totally different comes along, i'll stick with pc's and windows, which ever version it will be...

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/23/2014 5:53:17 PM

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Actually what I think was behind the move was a fast penny pench buck. The "One size fits all" approach that would save them doing a version for Desktop, smartphone and tablet. Just have the same GUI across the board--and save all that development cost. A generalization of an OS that would work across everything.

Except most people did not like it--but they went ahead and ignored beta feedback and stuck to their guns, convincing themselves they could sell everyone one it--and then reaping the rewards when their stock increased.

Problem was the "general base" was a mobile device...and the rude truth...like so many others I could go into-- the mobile market is solely and completely dependant on a tech that has been at a dead end and stagnant for nearly 100 years. A battery.

As my education is in Electronic engineering, and i did work for MS from the early days of Windows 95...through it's 3 releases of Win95a, Win95b and Win95c, Win98, Wind98SE, Win Mil and left in 2000 during the development of XP--, I understand both their approach and the realistic fact all tech will hit a wall---Even way back then my professors predicted, and rather 100 percent point on--computers would HAVE to go to something other than the slow electron to maintain the adage of all things electronic get cheaper and more powerful....except when they hit that wall. We have seen it in CPU speed--and they went multicore to continue--and when that wall was hit then it was chip size...shorting the distance the electron had to travel-- and today they admit about .15 micron is about the limit--and the next step-light---which BTW is about 5 years off as IBM researchers already have protypes---they are just now looking for a decent semi-conductor replacment now for the base.

But the battery--for all intent and purposes hit that wall long before most of us were born. They have repackaged it, relabled it and re-advertised it to appear there has been progress--but the truth is the tech that powered a 1936 Uboat hasn't changed at all, nor the average car battery from the very first car we all drove. Except of course to get more expensive. And this is the future? Mobile devices? the be all base for an OS across all devises? Heck everyone I know that carry around a smartphone can't be found too far from the neareast electrical outlet for a recharge. And the truth is---that is not changing...ever. Until of course something else replaces a "battery". And there is nothing in sight. So i find this whole move in that direction rather silly as how far it can go is already determined---and until somebody solves that crushing "power" problem it's not going too far. They can go a small ways toward chips that use less power, but any decent engineer will point out the average ARM chip is already intentally crippled to conserve power.

It becomes doubly scary this limited tech is now the "base' a good majority of games is developed towards as well--to get a bit off topic...because that means things like smarter A.I. just took a giant leap backwards because if your going cross platform the lowest common demoninator determines what exactly can be realistically done...and if that is a smartphone or tablet with a crippled ARM chip--then what appears on your average PC will be just as limiting.

First it was a 10 year old console holding the industry back--and now something even worse has raised it's ugly head---but the lure of the dollar has the whole industry doing just that sadly. Regardless of how obvious the truth.

Same goes for solar or windmills in regards to solving the World's Energy problem BTW--as they are as soly dependant on that dead tech that only grows more expensive as time goes on.Then a double wammy as that DC has to be converted to AC--another expensive and dead tech with no replacment in sight.

For ALL the above to be practical and work something that stores energy...lots of energy, has to be not only cheaper and far more efficient but it needs to be on that road that says "cheaper and more powerful" with every new version. But a battery is not digital tech. For that we use capacitors or electrolitic copacitors---as is found in the average Power supply--something that can store and release energy without failing in 2 years--( if it's china made an electorlectic capacitor can fail that quick BTW---so look for full solid state design and manufacturers in Japan.)but again, those are analog too and not digital. they never got better or cheaper either. And they do have a shelf life.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/23/2014 6:59:14 PM

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I just upgrade my pc to Win8.1 after formatting my Vista64. It is nice, but going to take time for me to navigate around this weird App Windows.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/23/2014 7:01:55 PM

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Actually...

Very interesting. I've been toying with the idea of a solar power system for my house. I don't like what is currently being offered.

One of the hangups I have is frankly DC backup, no one will even touch the idea.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/23/2014 7:54:04 PM

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I would be in favor of a nuclear battery(have no idea how they would do it.) But a small battery for a cell phone would not be too dangerous. No problem for me if any risk. Progress is more important.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/23/2014 8:00:56 PM

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Well, boats and RVs run DC. For solving the energy crisis it is not practical--the reason for AC (alternating current) is transmission. Otherwise our lines would be enormously thick. As an example transmission lines in Europe are roughly twice as thick because they run at the less efficient 50hrtz as opposed to 60hrtz the U.S. uses. Just that 10 hrtz difference equate to a 20 percent loss. The 'alternating' is most effective at 220v, 60 Hrtz. Early on however Telsa compromised at 120v--

For storing and converting the very first converters were to go from AC to Dc. Since the technology can work in reverse to go from DC to AC they renamed them inverters. You always get lees out than you put in...today's tech is pretty much at a standstill at 20 percent loss. Add to this of course the power requirment to manufacture all that is needed from the panels, batteries and inverters, the toxic waste issues and so on and the sensible fear may well be not only is the cost too high but the cure may well be far worse than the illness. Anyone who works at a battery factory has to be tested monthly-- now imagine if this was amplified world wide if everyone was on solar dependant on them. The disposal issues alone would make disposal issues of a level 4 nuclear plant a cakewalk. Wether you invert the DC before or after the storage batteries (both are possible) leakage from tranformers pose another enviromental hazard.

It's like anything else. All hype--very little actual truth. Be it 'renewables" to "recyclables". here in the US as an example, by our governments own figures hardly any actual plastic recycling even happens here. About 1 percent. the rest is sent on barges to china. Plastic has to be hand shifted, and only 1 type is actually recyclable and that is only once. the cost of shifting and picking too high, except for chinese children apparantly. Though a tree can be regrown 'recycled' paper is popular--the polluting chemicals to bleach and prepare the used paper is far worse than just cutting down a tree but it matters not for those on this idealogical agenda. Me I'm for cheap , clean and practical energy, but i am smart enough to also know whatever that may be it first MUST be able to fit into our current energy grid. No one is going to manufacture a totally new grid for any new energy source...so in practical terms that boils down to the fuel used to turn that turbine that already sits in place. Personally i like Helium 3--found on the moon--a shuttle full would power the US for 6 months---but of course our "green" president killed the shuttle program so go figure.

But back on point-- you could go DC homebased much like an RV or boat and cut costs and power loss via conversion--but keep in mind like a car, DC is usually LOW POWER. There are low power dc refrigerators, water heaters, etc --as there are in RV and boats--but they do not work as well as their AC counterparts. To turn a compressor takes high power--and dc current at that level would produce enough heat to fry your home for the same reason your not see DC power lines along a road.

However, depending where you live and the politics involved--if there's a "buy back" policy with the power companies then the battery problem on the home level can be eliminated. When it's cloudy your use energy from the grid and on sunny days the grid pays you for the power you feed. the grid eliminated the need to store power. But I'll point out this hardly solves the overall problem. the power plant still exists to feed the grid. You haven't replaced that. But your energy needs have lowered so of course less power plants need to be built. Wether you 'reduced' pollution is very arguable however. those panels, supports and all have to be manufactured. That takes power and that pollutes. In fact manufacturing any semi-conductor is pretty polluting as there's lots of toxic chemicals involved in the process. And what is their life rated at before they need to be replaced? And where do you discard them? Most studies I've seen on this are totally unreliable with political agenda that scew the numbers in their favor--on both sides- making a level informed decision on the matter very hard. so hard we could create another thread and 100 pages in no one could conclude anything lol

One thing I am sure of...this mobile craze is set to go nowhere fast because nothing is going to make that smartphone last a full day's charge under average use. And nothing in the forseeable future. there's absolutely nothing on the table at all.

You want GPS? better have a charger plugged into the car or your phone will die in less than hour. want to play a game? Do anything? That ain't changing. It just ain't.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/24/2014 12:11:06 AM

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Well, boats and RVs run DC....

I'm aware of the overall nature of energy production and consumption, I do not have ideological reasons for wanting

a replacement power source for my house. I seem to be getting my power shut off at least one every few months,

for one reason or another.

There are a number of problems with residential photovoltaic installations in my area. One of the problems for me is

the buy backs are financialized and rolled in with the incentives into a single package deal. The installers push

hard on the low cost and avoid any technical discussion or detailed disclosures of their own cut in the financing

schemes.

So, one of my issues is with the idea that I have of maintaining some power source when the solar units either fail

or due to extended poor weather do not produce enough power during a utility outage.

So, I was thinking of batteries as a storage and maybe 2 day power supply. Obviously, the cheapest thing would be an

automotive based solution. A large rack of car batteries wired into a dc to ac box and then through a switch into the

house main.

Trouble is, no one, (contractors) is willing to even talk to me about it.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/24/2014 1:23:48 AM

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It really bothers me,I cant even download burn a film,

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/24/2014 1:48:07 AM

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A large rack of truck batteries would be better.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/24/2014 4:15:16 AM

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Indeed. the problem with car/truck batteries is their lifespan. If you can get 3 years your lucky. Remember the 5 year battery years ago? Where did they go? Well, there really was no 5 year battery. it was a marketing scheme. Garantee a battery for 5 years to give the impression of better quality, and in 3 years pro-rate a refund on time left. Then they started a competetion on the scheme itself until it balooned to be unprofitable. So now a warranted battery is 3 years--because that has always been the lifespan.

A rack of truck batteries, costing roughly $150 each...which is a very low sale price estimate, to reach a solution of 2 days worth of power-- to DC ready appliances- would in the very least consist of 10, if not 20 of them. In the end, whatever you monthly energy bill- going this route just the upkeep would run $100 a month not even concidering the upkeep on the rest of the system.

Seems to me the most cost effective way to deal with periodic outages that can last a day or more is still the old fashioned gas powered generator. Diesel would be far more realiable and a properly maintained Diesel generator would run decades--if your idealogically bent on the green issue then a converted one that ran on biofuel seems the practical angle--but I'll point out biofuels have driven the price of a $5 steak to $15 in the supermarket because no one grows the corn for feed anymore when the biofuel is far more profitable. But the poor have always been hungry-why worry about food costs?
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Now re-reading your post I see this is not DC based appliances--and your need a DC to AC invertor---I do not think the the average 60 amp car/truck battery would work....you'd need 120 amps before conversion to get to the standard base of 100 amps on an AC home. ( a standard DC based RV is a 15 to 25 amp system).You could wire them in series to double the 60 amps to create 120 amps but the high power drain would require a much larger bank of batteries than my above 'guess' estimate. if you plugged an AC refigerator via an invertor to a common car battery you'd drain the battery within 30 minutes. Now add in the rest of your high drain appliances. You've reached cost prohibited territory---and unlike a solar powered power plant there is no government substities to grant "until the tech catches up". Remember that U-boat of 1936? That was a huge bank of very large batteries driving a very effective engine and the silent running was very limited time wise. it no way approached 2 days. More like 2 hours. Again the tech has not budged since- so do not expect more.

The bio-fuel generator is looking even better now. the cost of the generator would be lower than that bank of batteries and 10 gallons of bio-fuel would run it 2 days easy. An idle diesel engine uses very little fuel. Still that's $40 for 2 days of power-far more expensive than what the grid is offering up--which brings us back to my first point. At this time there is no solution to the energy problem. It won't be found in Windmills or Solar. Bio-fuel have soared food costs.

In the end if people "really" were concerned they be buying their drinks in Glass, their milk in cardboard and not plastic---which, contrary to myth-is not recyclable and is a petro product. From that poly-based rug on the floor to the synethic linens in the bath-petro based products have completely dominated our life style. It used to not be that way. milk was sold in waxed cardboard, grocery bags were renewable paper-as was the meat that was wrapped in them. Glass brang us soda to water.And the rug under your feet was wool. But today's Earth child is a plastic based consumer to all ends. Stop that first- and I'll start taking the issue more seriously as far as the political discussion. As for the practical solution again, you would need to convert completely to DC--all appliances- then, you'd be in a territory where a self powered home could work using a combination of wind and solar. It probably would cost about the same- and you'd certainly notice the huge difference between low powered DC appliances to their high powered AC counterparts. But it would be doable in the least.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/24/2014 6:38:49 AM

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well so off topic now i forgot what the debate was about, how about we cook some bacon and eggs and all go camping, or not

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/24/2014 1:10:39 PM

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lol yeah sorry about that. The point being Windows 8 is a mobile based GUI across everything-- It's like redressing the horse and carriage to replace a toyota concidering the base tech here has been dead 100 years and ain't ever going to change from being a horse and carriage. All to support the idea I can get greasy fingerprints on my 26 inch display. I spend a lot of effort trying to keep that bugger clean and here comes the leading tech company of the world all ready with a GUI that will garantee it'll never stay clean. I've never understood why people need to touch their screen and I doubly don't understand an OS being force feed on me that does just that.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/24/2014 1:42:45 PM

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well so off topic now i forgot what the debate was about, how about we cook some bacon and eggs and all go camping, or not

Microsoft OS discussions are frustrating. Some like , some don't like And it seems every six months a new windows s being churned out. No wonder the discussion goes off topic.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/25/2014 3:05:11 AM

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Sadly these type of discussions will continue until a ubiquitous OS to run all systems comes along. A ubiquitous OS seems to favor operation through a browser, than on a personal system.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/26/2014 1:18:01 AM

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Be warned if buying a new computer with Win 8. Due to marketing laws it will not come with many essential programs, such as media player. Sure there are other programs, the point is previously you could pop a dvd or AVI file into a brand new computer and it plays. Nope, not with win 8. We are computer literate here, many people are barely functional but got by in win 7 because it came with many essential programs pre-loaded. Win 8 will lead to the end of PC computing when people take the path of least resistance to an X-box, out-of-box which can do more than your lap-top directly out of the box.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/27/2014 2:22:13 AM

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A lot of what ends up missing happens in court and is not because it was left out. When i was at MS I could take home alpha or beta builds of any upcoming OS and try them out. The alpha of WinXP had the best firewall I had ever seen. It had the best media player I had ever seen. But by the time it reach beta those were stripped of features down to the barebones--afterall ZoneAlarm couldn't compete...etc etc etc.

What amazes me is how Apple always gets away with doing worse. It's not even letting Adobe's Flash to play at all, etc etc etc. If MS could have it's way you wouldn't need 3rd party anything from movie/sound editing, FAX, Anti-virus or Firewalls--but that is deemed unfair to the competetion. I believe let them make a better product, not legally force MS to nerf theirs. But that's the way it has been ever since I can remember.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/27/2014 8:44:52 AM

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Well I am not happy with this issues, I am fine with Wins 8.1, but my GF having problems with her laptop in same household. She got ripped off by Rent-A-Center, paying way too much for that laptop and it came in with WinsVista32, but no backup. When I moved in with her, I had WinsVista64 and her laptop barely can handle it and she still having problems with her laptop, esp malwares. She had only 2Gb ram on that thing.

When I bought this Home Edition Full Version Wins 8.1 (both 64&32 bits), I wanted to put that 32 on her laptop and she like it. Unfort there only one activation key and wont let her laptop activate. She contact Microsoft and see if they willing to help her, all they want is another hundred dollars to do it. What a rip off.

I told her, when the laptop no longer can be use, I can delete and reinstall that Wins 8.1 I have. Not sure how long that will last. Back then I can put WinsVista64 in three pc and included her laptop and they never wanted anything. I have Wins XP 32, but Microsoft no longer support it :(

Anyway by Christmas I am going to buy a decent laptop either from Newegg or TigerDirect that comes in with OS, least it will be better for her.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/27/2014 9:39:20 AM

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so let me get this right, you unhappy because you have to pay for windows?

each unit or pc you have has to have it's own license and always has, just because you could circumvent it in the past, doesn't mean its right either, plus if the laptop thats old is has vista on it, might make it a poor choice to install win 8 on it anyway, so for me i would have saved the money and got a new laptop from the start tbh...

and if the laptop could hardly / barely work with vista, ie slow memory / hdd and cpu, why would you think win 8 would be any better? btw if you have less than 3gb of ram, its always best to install the 32bit version of any o/s, but be aware that once used you can't at a later date choice the 64bit license to reinstall if you add more hardware like ram etc unless you are using the full M/S product and not the OEM version etc etc as per licensing rules... same as sometimes it's even locked to the pc / laptop you have bought, so the key can't be used elsewhere as you don't own the product either, eg: dell windows 8 keys are locked to dell hardware...

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Well I am not happy with this issues, I am fine with Wins 8.1, but my GF having problems with her laptop in same household. She got ripped off by Rent-A-Center, paying way too much for that laptop and it came in with WinsVista32, but no backup. When I moved in with her, I had WinsVista64 and her laptop barely can handle it and she still having problems with her laptop, esp malwares. She had only 2Gb ram on that thing.

When I bought this Home Edition Full Version Wins 8.1 (both 64&32 bits), I wanted to put that 32 on her laptop and she like it. Unfort there only one activation key and wont let her laptop activate. She contact Microsoft and see if they willing to help her, all they want is another hundred dollars to do it. What a rip off.

I told her, when the laptop no longer can be use, I can delete and reinstall that Wins 8.1 I have. Not sure how long that will last. Back then I can put WinsVista64 in three pc and included her laptop and they never wanted anything. I have Wins XP 32, but Microsoft no longer support it :(

Anyway by Christmas I am going to buy a decent laptop either from Newegg or TigerDirect that comes in with OS, least it will be better for her.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/27/2014 11:11:06 AM

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so let me get this right, you unhappy because you have to pay for windows?

each unit or pc you have has to have it's own license and always has, just because you could circumvent it in the past, doesn't mean its right either, plus if the laptop thats old is has vista on it, might make it a poor choice to install win 8 on it anyway, so for me i would have saved the money and got a new laptop from the start tbh...

and if the laptop could hardly / barely work with vista, ie slow memory / hdd and cpu, why would you think win 8 would be any better? btw if you have less than 3gb of ram, its always best to install the 32bit version of any o/s, but be aware that once used you can't at a later date choice the 64bit license to reinstall if you add more hardware like ram etc unless you are using the full M/S product and not the OEM version etc etc as per licensing rules... same as sometimes it's even locked to the pc / laptop you have bought, so the key can't be used elsewhere as you don't own the product either, eg: dell windows 8 keys are locked to dell hardware...

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ORIGINAL: RisingSun

Well I am not happy with this issues, I am fine with Wins 8.1, but my GF having problems with her laptop in same household. She got ripped off by Rent-A-Center, paying way too much for that laptop and it came in with WinsVista32, but no backup. When I moved in with her, I had WinsVista64 and her laptop barely can handle it and she still having problems with her laptop, esp malwares. She had only 2Gb ram on that thing.

When I bought this Home Edition Full Version Wins 8.1 (both 64&32 bits), I wanted to put that 32 on her laptop and she like it. Unfort there only one activation key and wont let her laptop activate. She contact Microsoft and see if they willing to help her, all they want is another hundred dollars to do it. What a rip off.

I told her, when the laptop no longer can be use, I can delete and reinstall that Wins 8.1 I have. Not sure how long that will last. Back then I can put WinsVista64 in three pc and included her laptop and they never wanted anything. I have Wins XP 32, but Microsoft no longer support it :(

Anyway by Christmas I am going to buy a decent laptop either from Newegg or TigerDirect that comes in with OS, least it will be better for her.

Not only that, you can only use it up to 15 times. Back then when I use my Vista, I can use it on multi-pcs and now you cant. They are greedy and going to cost each pc platform, now i am not sure after you install Windows and not be able to activate it. Just spoken one of Microsoft Tech that still be running, just no updates. Up to 15 times is crazy, cause i have to clean/format my pc incase it need it.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 8/27/2014 11:48:04 AM

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15 times rules is dependant on version bought, like i said above if you have the cheapest versions like OEM ones, then the rule is enforced, buy the full version and most of the time it isn't, i used to do it for a living so a quick phone call and they do it again for you, with no questions asked, unless its a stupid number of times, then a few questions etc

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 9/1/2014 10:27:56 PM

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Buy a Mac and you get a new version of Apple's OS X every 12 month and for free.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 9/1/2014 10:50:45 PM

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well so off topic now i forgot what the debate was about, how about we cook some bacon and eggs and all go camping, or not

Oh let's do bacon and eggs.

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RE: Lost in Windows 8 - 9/2/2014 5:05:03 AM

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yes lets all do this, as we all know mac's are better, cheaper, faster, last longer, more value for money, can play more games on than a pc, have loads of free apps, programs are very cheap to buy on macs, very easy to upgrade and great value parts for repair (tbh running out of sarcastic comments to write)