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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 6:28:08 PM

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Tom is doing great with the Nicks on sweeps.

I need to start sweeping everywhere except for Prome. Wear down those plane pools...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 7:08:20 PM

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Yeah, how does your future on the plane side look? You don�t have a HR for altitudes do you? When can you get the Ki-83 online?

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 7:48:01 PM

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Yeah, how does your future on the plane side look? You don�t have a HR for altitudes do you? When can you get the Ki-83 online?

Bleak. Maybe really bleak.

Ki-83. Maybe 10/45.

If I live that long, lol.

I just moved my last factory to r&d the Oscar IV, so I will get that in six weeks. Then the Ki100I, George, Frank....and then, if my ancestors are kind Sam J and Ki202 in fourth quarter 44. Lots, and lots and lots of them.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 8:05:49 PM

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The first four or five mini-sub squads all have 10 detection, so I created some more.

Can you say swarm... I think this is simply a raid, but you never know. Creating the mini-subs and perhaps some plane moves are my only counter here.

The carriers here are at 14 hexes from Roi, 13 hexes is within escorted Oscar range and well within range for Betties with torps...hmm.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 8:08:05 PM

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Yeah, how does your future on the plane side look? You don�t have a HR for altitudes do you? When can you get the Ki-83 online?

Bleak. Maybe really bleak.

Ki-83. Maybe 10/45. If I live that long, lol.

I just moved my last factory to r&d the Oscar IV, so I will get that in six weeks. Then the Ki100I, George, Frank....and then, if my ancestors are kind Sam J and Ki202 in fourth quarter 44. Lots, and lots and lots of them.

Ouch..that sucks.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 8:43:19 PM

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Ouch..that sucks.

It is all in your outlook.

Thunderbolts always make the outlook bleak.

I wanted to see how well the Empire could do if you purposefully under built and under researched the middle planes and went right for the last of the multi model planes and really concentrated your research on one IJAAF and one IJNAF uber end war fighter.

I could have chosen the Ki83, but people have done that or are doing that. I wanted to chose a path less traveled...and that has made all the difference at least for me. Well, one engine was kind of important too.

I would have skipped Tony, but Obvert talked me into them.

Can Japan expand without a great air force in the middle years? I guess the jury is out since it depends a lot on the Allies...but I think you really only need one armored fighter for both the Navy and Air Force....if you don't go for auto victory it all comes down to 44-45 and supplies and fleet conservation.

Anyhow, that was kind of my plan. I think I am a pdu off fanboy anyway, however I worry if that puts Japan into too much of a straight jacket...which is why the latest raft of AARs are great!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 8:48:39 PM

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10/45!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are an eternal optimist.

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Yeah, how does your future on the plane side look? You don�t have a HR for altitudes do you? When can you get the Ki-83 online?

Bleak. Maybe really bleak.

Ki-83. Maybe 10/45. If I live that long, lol.

I just moved my last factory to r&d the Oscar IV, so I will get that in six weeks. Then the Ki100I, George, Frank....and then, if my ancestors are kind Sam J and Ki202 in fourth quarter 44. Lots, and lots and lots of them.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 8:51:50 PM

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10/45!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are an eternal optimist.

I am planning on having supplies for that long, and longer. The Empire might not be pretty, but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 9:01:42 PM

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The Maya might be consumed by spreading fires...another casualty of really poor bombardment jockeying by my naval commanders. There are 240 naval squads working furiously on her trying to put out the fires, and did drop them to 34, from 54, but now they are back at 58.

I expanded the Ha45 engine factories more, not a day can go by when they don't expand.

Starting my experiment on pulling resources from Singers....

Have a few tricks up my sleeve in Burma and the Central Pacific, other than 4 million mini subs at Wake that is. Actually, I think the raid must have been triggered by intel that Wake was getting a coastal defense unit (which was steaming to Wake, about 10 hexes away).

He has a free shot at the troops at Prome, but I think he might hit my airfields this turn to some degree.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 10:51:45 PM

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The Maya might be consumed by spreading fires...another casualty of really poor bombardment jockeying by my naval commanders. There are 240 naval squads working furiously on her trying to put out the fires, and did drop them to 34, from 54, but now they are back at 58.

Disbanded in port? Then she's toast ....

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/6/2014 10:57:12 PM

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The Maya might be consumed by spreading fires...another casualty of really poor bombardment jockeying by my naval commanders. There are 240 naval squads working furiously on her trying to put out the fires, and did drop them to 34, from 54, but now they are back at 58.

Disbanded in port? Then she's toast ....

Really, I just had a tanker on fire disband in port and snuffed the fires right out. And the tanker had oil...yep, quite right! Maya goes up in flames. Lesson learned the hard way, again.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 12:51:21 PM

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Aug 18th, 1943

Less than 30 days to the monsoon.

Night air attacks: Betties raid Prome and some bombers retreat from the night fighters...but they can't climb high enough to engage.

I get 1 runway hit.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 12:56:40 PM

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During the day...

A sub chaser is torpedoed north of Truk...

A standard C tanker operating near Ternate, torpedoed yesterday, sinks today before making port.

Tojo IIc sweep Akyab, and dance with wildcats and Hurricanes. The Wildcats are insanely high, and I lose 4 fighters to 2 of his. I guess that is a success.

Prome gets their daily dose of love from Allied bombers, several waves, I can damage them but not destroy them with AA. More AA on the way...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 12:59:26 PM

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I am a big fan of 'skipping' many airframes. I think one of the secret sauces is to upgrade as few times as possible to conserve HI. Can you be more specific of your plan?

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I wanted to see how well the Empire could do if you purposefully under built and under researched the middle planes and went right for the last of the multi model planes and really concentrated your research on one IJAAF and one IJNAF uber end war fighter.

I could have chosen the Ki83, but people have done that or are doing that. I wanted to chose a path less traveled...and that has made all the difference at least for me. Well, one engine was kind of important too.

I would have skipped Tony, but Obvert talked me into them.

Can Japan expand without a great air force in the middle years? I guess the jury is out since it depends a lot on the Allies...but I think you really only need one armored fighter for both the Navy and Air Force....if you don't go for auto victory it all comes down to 44-45 and supplies and fleet conservation.

Anyhow, that was kind of my plan. I think I am a pdu off fanboy anyway, however I worry if that puts Japan into too much of a straight jacket...which is why the latest raft of AARs are great!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 1:02:33 PM

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China,

A few bombardments, and continue to clear out isolated Chinese corps in the wood ridge terrain, along the road, near Chihkiang. Hopefully one more attack is all it will take.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 1:25:39 PM

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Enemy carriers retreat from Wake...will reroute the coastal guns there again. Provide some cover for them, but I guess he will start sending in surface raiders soon & I need to plan for those. 2 ship Fletcher raiders sound very nasty indeed...

KB rusting at Kavieng; MinKB at Guam. Pilots training.

Good r&d progress today, it is like watching the stock market...if you do it each turn it will drive you nuts.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 1:45:37 PM

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I am a big fan of 'skipping' many airframes. I think one of the secret sauces is to upgrade as few times as possible to conserve HI. Can you be more specific of your plan?

It is the supplies that bother me. HI I am keeping an eye on, but really the supplies. Supplies to build factories, supplies to build engines, supplies to upgrade planes, supplies to replace losses, supplies to run missions.

I inherited a horrendous r&d program, and from the get go knew the air war was lost. I had hoped to do a little better, but sadly that wasn't in the cards -- so now I have a small gorilla air force...dart in, strike, dart out.

Anyhow, I stopped production of the early fighters (which was all I had in Aug of 42) and gave the Allies air control. I moved the production to research the multi-model planes and let them repair and then moved them down the line to planes I wanted: Oscar IV, A6M5c, Tony KI100i, Tojo IIc. None of these planes will give me air dominance, but they can stop unescorted bombers during the day.

These planes will see me thru the endgame where I spent the farm on two frames the ki202 and Sam J. I don't have a lot of research into George, or Frank mainly because I inherited large factories for these brutes especially Frank. I probably overspent on night fighters, but if they save the industry for a few months then I didn't.

I did take advantage of a lot of Val factories to get Myojo. Also will get Betty 3a very early...I worry that I don't have a decent Army kamikaze.

Not researching whole rafts of planes...

You will never see pdu on, realistic r&d off game like this again...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 2:48:11 PM

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... You will never see pdu off, realistic r&d off game like this again...

I thought this was PDU ON.

And that is sad (won't see another like this). It has been very entertaining and more educational than those who just crush China, India, Australia. Demonstrations of dominance can be instructional as well, but coming back from adversity against an aggressive opponent makes a good story.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 2:54:54 PM

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... You will never see pdu off, realistic r&d off game like this again...

I thought this was PDU ON.

And that is sad (won't see another like this). It has been very entertaining and more educational than those who just crush China, India, Australia. Demonstrations of dominance can be instructional as well, but coming back from adversity against an aggressive opponent makes a good story.

Dan, you are quite correct, it is PDU On. My mistake.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 3:01:37 PM

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Oz,

Time to go here...I don't see the point in fighting. I could reinforce with 2 tank rgts, an infantry division, just don't see the point in fighting in open for nothing but the base. Oil, maybe...but here nah.

I had been trying to cap trap his bombers at Daly Waters but no joy. I will strafe that lead column with nicks, nicks with 37mm inaccurate, slow, low ammo guns and bombs. Perhaps they will get in under his lr cap, or maybe even surprise him.

I will hold on to the bases to the west for a while...or try to.

This should give me some practice at retreats: I have a LSD, CL, DD, xap, xak, transport planes to do the work. AKs would be nice but they are spoken for elsewhere.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 3:16:56 PM

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Chinese Checkers:

Here is China, rather untidy.

The circled yellow wood ridge is where I have destroyed, or will destroy, 7 Chinese Corps and 1 HQ. They have been isolated and without supplies for 1-2 months, but they were tough to destroy.

The corps had somewhere between 200-400 assualt value and obviously had time to dig in a little. Despite being heavily outnumbered they did destroy some squads, but also were pretty darn good at disabling the IJA attackers. And they have taken around a month or more to wipe out these two hexes.

Since they were isolated they didn't retreat, but perhaps here is an answer on how to slow the Japanese juggernaut...just think how tough it would be if there were 3 corp of 250 av each all along the road...surely that would be a better use of troops than defending in the open in the Changsha triangle.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 3:58:13 PM

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Burma

Counting down to the Monsoon. Allies have reinforced the dirt road quite heavily, without pulling anything out of Prome. Burma is just a disaster waiting to happen, but Magwe is pumping 286 oil a day and it is getting out of Burma so for now...I feel better now that another infantry division has arrived along with 3 naval guard units plus more AA. My troops rely upon AA...

On the good news side of all this, is that the Allies have sunk a fair bit of American units here both air and ground which takes a little pressure off elsewhere.

The Allies have trashed the refineries at both Rangoon and Magwe, given me to think that nailing refineries is one of his strategic goals. I have subsequently tried to protect refineries first from his aerial assault, but so far he has shown no desire to strike deep from Ledo/Rangoon/Port Blair except at refineries.

I pretty much bought out all AA in Manchuko and sent the lions share of it here to Burma, even all but 3 of the machine cannons. They actually have forced the Allies to fly over 6000 feet, which is a pretty decent trade off for 10 PPs or so. Soon the independent guns will arrive and they might be able to poke bad enough wholes into the bombers to bring them down.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 4:13:45 PM

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Watch it though. The allies get a LOT of IDs in early 44. Something like 6-8 full IDs. I used them to secure the Marianas...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 4:19:38 PM

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Burma

Counting down to the Monsoon. Allies have reinforced the dirt road quite heavily, without pulling anything out of Prome. Burma is just a disaster waiting to happen, but Magwe is pumping 286 oil a day and it is getting out of Burma so for now...

I would start running to Hanoi ... the oil is nice, but it is just bait to lose several good units that will take months to rebuild. If it wasn't bait, he would night bomb it to death .... Just my thinking ...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 4:55:46 PM

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Burma

Counting down to the Monsoon. Allies have reinforced the dirt road quite heavily, without pulling anything out of Prome. Burma is just a disaster waiting to happen, but Magwe is pumping 286 oil a day and it is getting out of Burma so for now...

I would start running to Hanoi ... the oil is nice, but it is just bait to lose several good units that will take months to rebuild. If it wasn't bait, he would night bomb it to death .... Just my thinking ...

He could day bomb it to death, doesn't have to worry about night bombing.

I am going to stick around a little longer, but I am very scared. I want to accomplish two things.

1. Get a little further on my push on the mountains in China.

2. See some stronger naval presence from the Allies here in the Bay of Bengal.

Northern Burma forces will start pulling back..no reason to be there as far as I can tell.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 4:57:24 PM

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It is not great, but better than nothing. Air defenses at Lanchow protecting the oil.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 5:04:53 PM

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Watch it though. The allies get a LOT of IDs in early 44. Something like 6-8 full IDs. I used them to secure the Marianas...

I won't be in Burma in 44.

I don't think the Japan can defend the Marianas successfully. I will try. Maybe the PI, but most likely not.

I will be collapsing inward, hopefully without losing too much while inflicting some lessons on the Allies. Buying time...conserving my forces...I hope.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 5:09:30 PM

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Nah, the Marianas will be very hard to defend in the long run. You can make the allies bleed there though. And stall them for quite some time.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 5:43:04 PM

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Nah, the Marianas will be very hard to defend in the long run. You can make the allies bleed there though. And stall them for quite some time.

If I can do that, I will be quite happy.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/7/2014 11:02:01 PM

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A look at my primary Army fighters in second half of 43 and beyond, that is until Frank.

Oscar IV and KI-100I. Not very impressive, slow, but armed with hard hitting centerline cannons...can carry bombs, but not with drop tanks.

Tojo IIc looks good except for the inferior guns...so it will go bye-bye. What to do with those factories?

KAI Dinah will stick around until Irving takes over night fighting duties.

I will be hard pressed to defend any industry that is within range of the Allied fighters.

I think I need to strip the HI of AA too. Just saying.