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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 9/25/2014 11:45:47 PM

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Sept 4 - 6, 1942

SUBS: The subs are transiting to So Pac as they finish in Cent Pac. Lots of supply needs to get pushed around now again. A few S-boats and Dutch boats will stand guard in the Solomon Sea.

INDIA: Many troops are now starting to prep for the amphibious invasion of South india and Ceylon. South India will be first, likely by the end of October, and then Celyon will follow if all goes well. Many units are transiting to Karachi to rest, fill out and prep. Others will stay forward to ensure there is no second offensive by the now quite large IJA contingent here in India. I'll continue to move around to keep him guessing though.

Bombers hit the units moving toward Raipur on the 5th, and found it to be an AA unit. Interesting. Maybe he's moving that out ahead before a main thrust? I can't think of any other reason for it to be there. On the 6th bombers hit a unit that turned out to be elements of the 1st Raiding Rgt para troops near Patna. Got a good shot on them, but it seems to be just the support troops. Hmm. Not sure what to make of that.

Also hit Chittagong and Trincomalee with 5 LR LB-30 Liberators. Nothing in the ports unfortunately.

Pacific: Started bombing Tarawa, which has been going well. The naval guard there began taking destroyed squads right away, which makes me think it's had disabled squads since the bombardment a month ago.

More bases around the So Pac area have been invested. Supply starts to move in. Cats will begin flying in small fragments of engineers.

CHINA: Amazingly, the hex holds.

Three successive DAs, but the two IJA divisions and one tank division here are down to around 700AV now. The last one went back to a 1:3. Wow.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 4, 42
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Morning Air attack on 34th Field AA Battalion, at 44,36 , near Vizagapatnam

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
SB-III x 11
Wellington Ic x 13
P-39D Airacobra x 17

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x SB-III bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 100 kg GP Bomb
13 x Wellington Ic bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32726 troops, 467 guns, 761 vehicles, Assault Value = 872

Defending force 35824 troops, 191 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 804

Japanese adjusted assault: 714

Allied adjusted defense: 571

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
609 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 71 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

Allied ground losses:
845 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 62 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Tank Division
39th Division
69th Division
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
13th Army
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
90th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 5, 42
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Morning Air attack on 88th Naval Guard Unit, at 136,128 (Tarawa)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 3

No Allied losses

Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 88th Naval Guard Unit, at 136,128 (Tarawa)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
135 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32163 troops, 467 guns, 761 vehicles, Assault Value = 814

Defending force 41671 troops, 228 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 956

Japanese adjusted assault: 436

Allied adjusted defense: 580

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1146 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled

Allied ground losses:
827 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 106 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 12 (2 destroyed, 10 disabled)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 6, 42
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Morning Air attack on 1st Raiding Regiment, at 55,33 , near Rajshashi

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 13
B-25C Mitchell x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
349 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disable

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Morning Air attack on 88th Naval Guard Unit, at 136,128 (Tarawa)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
177 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20158 troops, 362 guns, 737 vehicles, Assault Value = 740

Defending force 40923 troops, 222 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 876

Japanese adjusted assault: 369

Allied adjusted defense: 1252

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1156 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 43 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
515 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 61 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 10 (3 destroyed, 7 disabled)

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 9/26/2014 2:15:00 PM

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CURRENT OPERATIONS

OPERATION PARAPET: FEB 42 - OCT 42

This has been about the protection and solidification of defensive positions in the North Pacific. This operation will be complete at the end of October when winter begins. The investment and building of infrastructure and forts has gone well, and only a few more islands need a small infantry unit to get some level of defensive capability.

While this is not meant to absolutely protect the area from a large scale invasion, it's certainly designed to slow advances and provide three solid fortresses to continue fighting around should the Japanese make a move up here before winter. If they do these bases will be prioritized for men and supplies.

Adak: ~ 300AV and level 6 forts.
Dutch Harbor: ~600AV and level 7 forts.
Kodiak: ~250AV and level 5 forts.

Kodiak is close enough to fly more in from the mainland should the Japanese advance here. I'm beginning to feel more comfortable in the area, but preparations continue and only winter will bring an assurance that no further moves will head this direction.

OPERATION CHARIOT: MAY 42 - SEPT 42

This op was initiated to push into Central India with the hope of gaining ground and good bases to build around for the final combined operations that will try to get the IJA out of India in the later autumn. The focus changed shortly after starting this when a sweep over Delhi went the Allies' way and I was able to follow up with raids on Lucknow and Cawnpore. Nick chose to evacuate the area, and the Allies moved in with force, then extended to Allahabad and Benares.

The next push was intended to happen on both flanks at Hyderabad and through para-drops on unoccupied bases in NE India. The Hyderabad campaign went poorly after the IJA heavily reinforced, and I've suspended para-drops in the NE until P-38Fs have a decent pool and a few units are upgraded to P-40K. I'll still hit here, but it has to be in conjunction with another move or the Japanese can concentrate too heavily.

The other move will be part of the future operation to win back the SW seaboard of India both with para-forces and through minor amphib operations. More on that soon. Altogether, though, Chariot has been very successful and there are sets of new level 9 bases on both flanks to use for the next push forward.

OPERATION PALISADE: MAY 42 - SEPT 42

Palisade has been about the South Pacific bases of New Caledonia and the New Hebrides. These bases were virtually untouched in May though in Allied hands. During the past months forces have moved in to defend, guid and now begin to extend the forces in the So Pac area toward the North.

Noumea is building toward its max potential in the next month, Luganville is a working hub, and Vanua Lava, Vanikoro and Ndeni are all building Allied bases helping to support the next ops.

OPERATION CATAPULT: MAY 42 - SEPT 42

The use of fast transport to invest dot bases in the Gilberts for a foothold in the Central Pacific will be complete with the acquisition of Tarawa, hopefully on 7 September. I've set orders for a para-drop on the base after a third day of bombing the naval guard unit there. Small ships will continue to fill up these areas with men and supplies, most units brought n over several trips in case of an ambush.

I'm sending in about 40 more xAKL to So Pac and Cent Pac that have been sitting in NZ. Some of these have troop hauling capabilities and all are cheap and will have to substitute for LSTs until they become available. PT boats are the only continuous naval presence and only a few fighter and bomber units are here to harass anything coming near and provide some small protection to boats moving men and supplies in. Hopefully this op will finish as I watch the next turn in a few minutes.

OPERATION GRAPESHOT:

Grapeshot has just begun, and I have no idea how it's going to go. About 15 bases still in allied hands have been invested and are being supplied by subs and PBY. The goal is to firstly keep them in Allied hands with small infantry units in place. Secondly to build active airbases for search and exploration of the New Guinea and New Britain areas. Thirdly it is to assess the level of interest in the area on the part of the Japanese and how if at all they will react.

Rekata Bay, Goodenough island, Kiriwina island, and Mussau and Emirau Islands will be focuses for an extended investment and building program. I doubt he'll let me do this as easily as the Central Pacific build-up, but who knows?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 9/30/2014 9:42:45 PM

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Sept 7 - 10, 1942

INDIA: Things have quieted down in India. Just now preparing for later moves on both sides of the continent.

I've been spotting small units moving and targeting them with MB around India. This feels good at least. Soon Mangalore on the West coast will be invaded by paras.

Pacific: After a few days of bombing from the air Tarawa is taken by paratroops!! This is the way to get atolls.

Solidification of the Gilberts and extension toward Ocean Island, Nauru and Makin will continue for the next few months. I'm not in a hurry here, and want to make sure forces get in place to build these bases and create a real hub of airfields and ports to use for moving ahead.

Nick is paying attention now to the troops on Islands in the Solomon Sea. Only a few bases are shut down though, and plenty of others are growing in troops and beginning to build fields and forts. Shhhhh!

CHINA: I've begun to let all units withdraw from the hex near Chikhiang. The combination of bombing, arty bombardments and a flurry of DAs over the past weeks have finally put the Chinese troops into a position from which I don't think they can recover. This is the perfect opportunity to get out, as the most recent DA did significant damage to the Chinese, but because of the 1:2 result most likely means the IJA will have to wait a day until going again. I've started the troops moving, all in reserve mode, and hopefully they can get out in two days.

It's been several months holding here, and the Chinese troops have withstood everything the Japanese could give and held. If the retreat goes well it will force the Japanese to consider crossing the river. Fresh units are moving in to defend the river and nearby hexes.

The bombing against the troops near Kweiyang intensifies and it's not looking good to hold here. The latest attack is only a 1:2, but bombing can take 40-60 disablements a day away from the defenders. I'll hold until they collapse, and units are also moving to fill nearby hexes and dig in in preparation.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 8, 42
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Ground combat at Tarawa (136,128)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 288 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 18

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 18 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Tarawa !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
3rd USMC Parachute Bn /1

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 9, 42
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Morning Air attack on 1st Raiding Regiment, at 55,32 , near Patna

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Wellington Ic bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 88th Naval Guard Unit, at 130,130 (Ocean Island)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 2 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
116 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 78,51 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 26121 troops, 421 guns, 1261 vehicles, Assault Value = 956

Defending force 40364 troops, 210 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 827

Japanese adjusted assault: 793

Allied adjusted defense: 823

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
251 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 42 (3 destroyed, 39 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2533 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 245 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Assaulting units:
17th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
1st Tank Division
9th Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
6th Division
23rd Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
13th Army
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
90th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 9, 42
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Ground combat at 72,49 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30478 troops, 439 guns, 1184 vehicles, Assault Value = 1240

Defending force 43578 troops, 310 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1427

Japanese adjusted assault: 874

Allied adjusted defense: 1709

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
994 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 126 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 37 (2 destroyed, 35 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1516 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 175 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Assaulting units:
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
16th Division
4th Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Division
Guards Tank Division
23rd Army
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
7th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps
57th AT Gun Regiment
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Nauru is the only built up base nearby from which air strikes can launch, so these areas look vulnerable still in the Southern Marshalls unless an IJN presence moves in.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 9/30/2014 10:32:55 PM

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So....when's the op against Nauru?

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So....when's the op against Nauru?

I'm sending in a bombardment to see what is actually there ,and troop are prepped already. Whatever I do it'll be without CVs, so that means I need to bombard, get some bombing from the air happening, and make sure troops there are worn down before sending in my guys. It is an atoll after all, so I'm going to be a bit careful.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/1/2014 2:38:32 PM

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So....when's the op against Nauru?

I'm sending in a bombardment to see what is actually there ,and troop are prepped already. Whatever I do it'll be without CVs, so that means I need to bombard, get some bombing from the air happening, and make sure troops there are worn down before sending in my guys. It is an atoll after all, so I'm going to be a bit careful.

I was about to say "No, it's not", and then I checked in the game. It sure is. It doesn't seem like it should be - it's a pretty big island.

Ocean Island on the other hand isn't an atoll, yet is smaller.

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I would would put Merauke and the other dot bases between Horn Island and Darwin on the menu. They may need to wait until '43, but they put the whole eastern SRA at risk once Corsairs and the 2nd generation of B-24s come out in 2/43.

In the USA, you will soon need to find a permanently restricted bomber group to start LowN pilot training. I love my American attack bombers (B-25D1s) being able to reach out 11 hexes or more.

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I would would put Merauke and the other dot bases between Horn Island and Darwin on the menu. They may need to wait until '43, but they put the whole eastern SRA at risk once Corsairs and the 2nd generation of B-24s come out in 2/43.

In the USA, you will soon need to find a permanently restricted bomber group to start LowN pilot training. I love my American attack bombers (B-25D1s) being able to reach out 11 hexes or more.

I use low Naval for all mediums at all times when attacking shipping. No matter the smaller bomb load for non attack bombers. They have a better chance to hit.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/1/2014 5:26:01 PM

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So, per Jocke's AAR.... what are your VPs at?!? Inquiring minds want to know.

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In VP terms we've gone per the 10k threshold on the way to 11k. I'd hoped to be at least around 11-12k by the turn of the year, so I think I,m on track for that. Let me know what you think for this in September. He's still got a lot in India bases VPs, and although some ships might get into it next turn (!!)

lately I've not been bleeding points from the navy or merchants. In the air I've tended to pick up ground in the minor battle and lose it in the major ones, but the ratio is still moving in the Allied direction thanks to frequent usage on the Japanese side and lots of ops losses in particular.

This will also let you know how far I need to catch up! Been a busy week.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/1/2014 5:57:53 PM

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I would would put Merauke and the other dot bases between Horn Island and Darwin on the menu. They may need to wait until '43, but they put the whole eastern SRA at risk once Corsairs and the 2nd generation of B-24s come out in 2/43.

In the USA, you will soon need to find a permanently restricted bomber group to start LowN pilot training. I love my American attack bombers (B-25D1s) being able to reach out 11 hexes or more.

I use low Naval for all mediums at all times when attacking shipping. No matter the smaller bomb load for non attack bombers. They have a better chance to hit.

I've been doubling so far with naval training for bomber pilots, but I've had a few training low naval. I'll get more started once this crop is done.

I've definitely got some ideas about Southern New Guinea. Horn I'll let go for a while as he's invested enough there to make it tough from what I can tell. Some engineer units and these guys, meaning a tough take without some work. I like isolating and leaving some of these forward bases too, especially since the islands around Eastern New Guinea have nothing!

There are still some dots around in Allied hands that I've not invested. I will. Some are in very interesting places. I also have a working base with a level 1 airfield and 4k supply on Borneo!

He may get much more interested in looking around at these considering what's happening in the Solomons, but please, mum's the word for now!

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In VP terms we've gone per the 10k threshold on the way to 11k. I'd hoped to be at least around 11-12k by the turn of the year, so I think I,m on track for that. Let me know what you think for this in September. He's still got a lot in India bases VPs, and although some ships might get into it next turn (!!) lately I've not been bleeding points from the navy or merchants. In the air I've tended to pick up ground in the minor battle and lose it in the major ones, but the ratio is still moving in the Allied direction thanks to frequent usage on the Japanese side and lots of ops losses in particular.

This wil lasso let you know how far I need to catch up! Been a busy week.

What do you spend on your PPs on?!?

I think you're in fine shape on VPs. You're only at 2.75:1 or so, right? And look at how many of his are in bases: almost half of his total. You'll take a lot of that away by war's end. You only have 556 points in ship VPs.

Your base VP total looks almost maxed? Hard to tell as you're clearly using a different map than I am...at least I think you are.

Interesting that he's lost more planes on the ground than you have.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/1/2014 7:36:34 PM

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In VP terms we've gone per the 10k threshold on the way to 11k. I'd hoped to be at least around 11-12k by the turn of the year, so I think I,m on track for that. Let me know what you think for this in September. He's still got a lot in India bases VPs, and although some ships might get into it next turn (!!) lately I've not been bleeding points from the navy or merchants. In the air I've tended to pick up ground in the minor battle and lose it in the major ones, but the ratio is still moving in the Allied direction thanks to frequent usage on the Japanese side and lots of ops losses in particular.

This wil lasso let you know how far I need to catch up! Been a busy week.

What do you spend on your PPs on?!?

I think you're in fine shape on VPs. You're only at 2.75:1 or so, right? And look at how many of his are in bases: almost half of his total. You'll take a lot of that away by war's end. You only have 556 points in ship VPs.

Your base VP total looks almost maxed? Hard to tell as you're clearly using a different map than I am...at least I think you are.

Interesting that he's lost more planes on the ground than you have.

I spend PPs on everything. Lately I bought out the Canadian Militia to garrison the Aleutians and all of the buyable NZ troops to prep for the smaller bases on the West Oz coast. Those brigades and 'armor' units can handle SNLFs and I don't have to worry about low replacements as I'm not so concerned about them marching on Perth. I just want to have troops ready for every single base so I can send the big troops in and then land behind his main defensive bases.

If that doesn't pan out, then NZ troops will be great for the many bases in the Solomons, New Guinea and smaller DEI bases.

In India half of the Indian Army was bought out cheap, and in OZ several divisions were purchased below cost as well. Now they're all filling out. It's investment really, but it'll take a few months to pan out.

I've also replaced every ship captain not up to standard, every group leader for air groups not to my liking, and gotten the few available ground unit leaders of acceptable quality into place.

I'm now trying to hold off on buying smaller units.

I need to save to buy out divisions from the West Coast so that in early 43 I have a scaled prep schedule of ready troops for each chosen path.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/2/2014 5:45:19 PM

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Sept 11 - 14, 1942

CHINA: The major victory during these turns is actually a successful retreat. We got the troops out of the 78,51 hex after almost three months of cobalt there, and although everything is worn to a nub, the disabled troops didn't get massacred in a negative combat resulting in retreat. It'll be a while before they're fightable again though, and most here will head back to the Chungking area to dig in and recover.

Now the worry is on the mountains side where the massive tank army that has moved through the 20k bottleneck hex is somehow able to keep supply enough for consistent attacks. I had hoped this would not be the case, but it's proving difficult to hold, and I'm not sure a retreat is a good idea either, as that simply opens the door wide. We'll stay for now hoping in a reduction in the ability to get enough supply in.

SUBS: Subs are the main lifeline for lots of troops now. They did a lot of this in the war, but no where near to the way i'm using them right now.

INDIA: Got a nice shot in on the Southern Army around Cuttack as it was apparently railing toward Calcutta. This unit and the division and other HQ traveling with it were most recently at Hyderabad. Wonder why the move now to the NE? Maybe in anticipation of my next move? Or is there a Japanese offensive in the works?

Pacific: Nells take out a few of our small garrisons on the Islands near New Guinea. Vals start in over the Solomons. trying to get some AA in here, and for DBs anything will work, so the flyable parts can head in right away, while subs will bring more and supply.

Cent Pac is stable and a bit of bombing at Ocean reveals what i already knew; the defense is light.

SIGINT: The Ind. Mixed brigade also seen here at Horn makes me even less likely to go there anytime soon.

124th Infantry Regiment is located at Horn Island(91,128).
1st Air Defense AA Battalion is located at Horn Island(91,128).
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade is located at Horn Island(91,128).

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 1, 42
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Morning Air attack on 44th Australian Battalion, at 102,133 (Normanby Island)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Southern Army, at 48,37 (Cuttack)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 47
P-38E Lightning x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
437 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 64 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 36th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 2, 42
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Morning Air attack on A Coy/NG Rifles , at 113,134 (Rekata Bay)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 33

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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This is the next para target. I've got a bunch of stuff ready to move into Goa after the assault and begin walking that way. it's a hike, but it's not close for the Japanese either from any built up hub.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/2/2014 8:10:13 PM

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IMO you can just walk down the grey road towards Bangalore.

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IMO you can just walk down the grey road towards Bangalore.

I did that to Hyderabad, but in any one place he can still mass 2500AV and lots of experienced divisions and heavy arty. I'll creep for a while more. See how he reacts.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/2/2014 10:51:15 PM

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Time is on your side...no reason to take pointless risks. I think! In fact, can't an argument be made to slow your advance in India down to a crawl and then blind side him with overwhelming force and amphib invasion into either Sumatra or Indochina? I guess hard to do without Ceylon...but still could that work for you? Definitely a longer term plan...

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 1:00:57 AM

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IMO you can just walk down the grey road towards Bangalore.

I did that to Hyderabad, but in any one place he can still mass 2500AV and lots of experienced divisions and heavy arty. I'll creep for a while more. See how he reacts.

If he masses 2500 AV at Bangalore, he's risking it getting cut off from the east. That's awfully extended. Perhaps not something for right away, maybe wait until you can really threaten to cut him off...

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 3:44:15 AM

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In VP terms we've gone per the 10k threshold on the way to 11k. I'd hoped to be at least around 11-12k by the turn of the year, so I think I,m on track for that. Let me know what you think for this in September. He's still got a lot in India bases VPs, and although some ships might get into it next turn (!!) lately I've not been bleeding points from the navy or merchants. In the air I've tended to pick up ground in the minor battle and lose it in the major ones, but the ratio is still moving in the Allied direction thanks to frequent usage on the Japanese side and lots of ops losses in particular.

This will also let you know how far I need to catch up! Been a busy week.

The VP mean nothing unless there is a danger of auto victory-which in this case there is not. Quite frankly, I would much rather give up the points and see the Japanese player with an extended perimeter. There comes a point where this becomes very dangerous for Japan, and the chance for a crushing counter blow increases for the Allies. Plus I have come to believe that an extended perimeter causes too great of a supply burn for Japan. Putting the late war economy at risk.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 6:21:52 AM

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In VP terms we've gone per the 10k threshold on the way to 11k. I'd hoped to be at least around 11-12k by the turn of the year, so I think I,m on track for that. Let me know what you think for this in September. He's still got a lot in India bases VPs, and although some ships might get into it next turn (!!) lately I've not been bleeding points from the navy or merchants. In the air I've tended to pick up ground in the minor battle and lose it in the major ones, but the ratio is still moving in the Allied direction thanks to frequent usage on the Japanese side and lots of ops losses in particular.

This will also let you know how far I need to catch up! Been a busy week.

The VP mean nothing unless there is a danger of auto victory-which in this case there is not. Quite frankly, I would much rather give up the points and see the Japanese player with an extended perimeter. There comes a point where this becomes very dangerous for Japan, and the chance for a crushing counter blow increases for the Allies. Plus I have come to believe that an extended perimeter causes too great of a supply burn for Japan. Putting the late war economy at risk.

A while back I did some calculation of what he has gained in industry being in India. Now, I didn't do the calculations of what he might be spending by being there, but I was surprised at how little he might actually be getting thanks to Calcutta getting trashed early.

So some of the oil/fuel and supply generation will augment what it costs to be in India, but it can't be much of an overall positive at this point, thinking about the army and air forces he's supporting there and the ship traffic moving around. Let me know if my thoughts are off here.

INDIA

Ledo

71 oil
71 refinery

Chittagong

21 LI

Dacca

21 LI

Asanol

43 HI

Calcutta

2 HI
2 LI

Howrah

41 LI

Jamshedpur

101 HI
21 LI

Patna

21 LI

Hyderabad

38 HI
92 LI

Madras

70 HI
99 LI

Trichinopoly

21 LI

Bangalore

12 HI
41 LI

Mysore

21 LI

Madurai

21 LI

Colombo

2 LI

264 HI - 15840/month + 7,920 HI
424 LI - 12720/month

171,360 supply/ 6 months

47,520 HI/ 6 months

2,130 oil/month

12,780 oil/ 6 months

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 1:24:37 PM

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Yeah,

Not only the costs of moving and staying there but also the cost of major combat. I think the Japanese player has to be very efficient in how he uses his ground force. That is why a good Pacific offensive makes sense-and made sense to the Japanese. It takes a long time to buy out the Indian army and build it up. An invasion of India gives the Allies an early shot at a punishing attrition campaign-even if the Allies lose more. I think attrition is something the Japanese player needs to avoid as much as possible. One of those tough British divisions is white restricted and could otherwise never be used offensively. My last campaign, what with the cost of buying out American divisions and other needs-fully 1/3 of my big Indian divisions were not unrestricted at the end of 1944. I really think securing Northern Oz is the best practical move for Japan. I would want to take and secure Ceylon as well. Just for the shipyard and the delaying effect. Not to mention the fairly easy kill of the garrison. But the rest of India-looks more like a "tar baby" to me.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 2:17:47 PM

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Yeah,

Not only the costs of moving and staying there but also the cost of major combat. I think the Japanese player has to be very efficient in how he uses his ground force. That is why a good Pacific offensive makes sense-and made sense to the Japanese. It takes a long time to buy out the Indian army and build it up. An invasion of India gives the Allies an early shot at a punishing attrition campaign-even if the Allies lose more. I think attrition is something the Japanese player needs to avoid as much as possible. One of those tough British divisions is white restricted and could otherwise never be used offensively. My last campaign, what with the cost of buying out American divisions and other needs-fully 1/3 of my big Indian divisions were not unrestricted at the end of 1944. I really think securing Northern Oz is the best practical move for Japan. I would want to take and secure Ceylon as well. Just for the shipyard and the delaying effect. Not to mention the fairly easy kill of the garrison. But the rest of India-looks more like a "tar baby" to me.

Agree with what you say crsutton, except for the part about going into northern Oz. Canoerebel and Sprior showed that N. Oz is a prison camp for the Japanese once the allies gain control of the sea.
IMO forces earmarked for N.Oz are better used to build up the southern DEI and NG, especially Merauke and Terapo.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 4:09:56 PM

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Yeah,

Not only the costs of moving and staying there but also the cost of major combat. I think the Japanese player has to be very efficient in how he uses his ground force. That is why a good Pacific offensive makes sense-and made sense to the Japanese. It takes a long time to buy out the Indian army and build it up. An invasion of India gives the Allies an early shot at a punishing attrition campaign-even if the Allies lose more. I think attrition is something the Japanese player needs to avoid as much as possible. One of those tough British divisions is white restricted and could otherwise never be used offensively. My last campaign, what with the cost of buying out American divisions and other needs-fully 1/3 of my big Indian divisions were not unrestricted at the end of 1944. I really think securing Northern Oz is the best practical move for Japan. I would want to take and secure Ceylon as well. Just for the shipyard and the delaying effect. Not to mention the fairly easy kill of the garrison. But the rest of India-looks more like a "tar baby" to me.

Agree with what you say crsutton, except for the part about going into northern Oz. Canoerebel and Sprior showed that N. Oz is a prison camp for the Japanese once the allies gain control of the sea.
IMO forces earmarked for N.Oz are better used to build up the southern DEI and NG, especially Merauke and Terapo.

Actually disagree. Northern Oz can be taken relatively easy and even if held with a moderate garrison can only be retaken by sea due the lack of supply flow for the Allies overland. The key is that the Japanese player if he is doing his job should have command of the sea or parity until late 1943 at worst. And as with any theater, India, Burma, China, it is knowing when to time your bugging out that matters. But Darwin is must, and even if you eventually sacrifice an army corp to the Allies to hold it. It pays to hold it as long as possible. Once the Allies take command of the sea-virtually every Japanese position involves holding fast and taking the sacrifice. The key is which positions are most important to hold. I for one would want to hold Darwin for as long as possible.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 4:17:15 PM

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Yeah,

Not only the costs of moving and staying there but also the cost of major combat. I think the Japanese player has to be very efficient in how he uses his ground force. That is why a good Pacific offensive makes sense-and made sense to the Japanese. It takes a long time to buy out the Indian army and build it up. An invasion of India gives the Allies an early shot at a punishing attrition campaign-even if the Allies lose more. I think attrition is something the Japanese player needs to avoid as much as possible. One of those tough British divisions is white restricted and could otherwise never be used offensively. My last campaign, what with the cost of buying out American divisions and other needs-fully 1/3 of my big Indian divisions were not unrestricted at the end of 1944. I really think securing Northern Oz is the best practical move for Japan. I would want to take and secure Ceylon as well. Just for the shipyard and the delaying effect. Not to mention the fairly easy kill of the garrison. But the rest of India-looks more like a "tar baby" to me.

Agree with what you say crsutton, except for the part about going into northern Oz. Canoerebel and Sprior showed that N. Oz is a prison camp for the Japanese once the allies gain control of the sea.
IMO forces earmarked for N.Oz are better used to build up the southern DEI and NG, especially Merauke and Terapo.

Actually disagree. Northern Oz can be taken relatively easy and even if held with a moderate garrison can only be retaken by sea due the lack of supply flow for the Allies overland. The key is that the Japanese player if he is doing his job should have command of the sea or parity until late 1943 at worst. And as with any theater, India, Burma, China, it is knowing when to time your bugging out that matters. But Darwin is must, and even if you eventually sacrifice an army corp to the Allies to hold it. It pays to hold it as long as possible. Once the Allies take command of the sea-virtually every Japanese position involves holding fast and taking the sacrifice. The key is which positions are most important to hold. I for one would want to hold Darwin for as long as possible.

In turn, I'll disagree with you. Darwin's importance is over-stated. Is it nice to deny the Allies the base? Yes. Is it worth a corps? Not by a mile.

There's not even the need to risk an army corps holding on to Darwin - it's easy enough to inderdict any Allied efforts to supply by sea using air units based in the Eastern DEI. By the time the Allies have the naval strength to force supplies through to Darwin, the base is insignificant and you've gave the Allies a bunch of Japanese units stuck in a clear terrain hex on the coast (ie, a perfect target for air and naval bombardment).

Why mop the floor with champange when water will do just fine?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 6:36:51 PM

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Yeah,

Not only the costs of moving and staying there but also the cost of major combat. I think the Japanese player has to be very efficient in how he uses his ground force. That is why a good Pacific offensive makes sense-and made sense to the Japanese. It takes a long time to buy out the Indian army and build it up. An invasion of India gives the Allies an early shot at a punishing attrition campaign-even if the Allies lose more. I think attrition is something the Japanese player needs to avoid as much as possible. One of those tough British divisions is white restricted and could otherwise never be used offensively. My last campaign, what with the cost of buying out American divisions and other needs-fully 1/3 of my big Indian divisions were not unrestricted at the end of 1944. I really think securing Northern Oz is the best practical move for Japan. I would want to take and secure Ceylon as well. Just for the shipyard and the delaying effect. Not to mention the fairly easy kill of the garrison. But the rest of India-looks more like a "tar baby" to me.

Agree with what you say crsutton, except for the part about going into northern Oz. Canoerebel and Sprior showed that N. Oz is a prison camp for the Japanese once the allies gain control of the sea.
IMO forces earmarked for N.Oz are better used to build up the southern DEI and NG, especially Merauke and Terapo.

Actually disagree. Northern Oz can be taken relatively easy and even if held with a moderate garrison can only be retaken by sea due the lack of supply flow for the Allies overland. The key is that the Japanese player if he is doing his job should have command of the sea or parity until late 1943 at worst. And as with any theater, India, Burma, China, it is knowing when to time your bugging out that matters. But Darwin is must, and even if you eventually sacrifice an army corp to the Allies to hold it. It pays to hold it as long as possible. Once the Allies take command of the sea-virtually every Japanese position involves holding fast and taking the sacrifice. The key is which positions are most important to hold. I for one would want to hold Darwin for as long as possible.

In turn, I'll disagree with you. Darwin's importance is over-stated. Is it nice to deny the Allies the base? Yes. Is it worth a corps? Not by a mile.

There's not even the need to risk an army corps holding on to Darwin - it's easy enough to inderdict any Allied efforts to supply by sea using air units based in the Eastern DEI. By the time the Allies have the naval strength to force supplies through to Darwin, the base is insignificant and you've gave the Allies a bunch of Japanese units stuck in a clear terrain hex on the coast (ie, a perfect target for air and naval bombardment).

Why mop the floor with champange when water will do just fine?

But if you don't stay, your opponent can just walk some piddly unit up there and retake it at will

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 6:52:30 PM

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It's all good and fine to play around in northern Oz to distract the Allies and impair movement.....just do not delude yourself into thinking that it is not a perfect POW camp!! It can be effectively cut-off by the Allies without risking a major investment of naval asets in contricted seas. The key is to bug-out before it is too late.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 6:59:19 PM

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Yeah,

Not only the costs of moving and staying there but also the cost of major combat. I think the Japanese player has to be very efficient in how he uses his ground force. That is why a good Pacific offensive makes sense-and made sense to the Japanese. It takes a long time to buy out the Indian army and build it up. An invasion of India gives the Allies an early shot at a punishing attrition campaign-even if the Allies lose more. I think attrition is something the Japanese player needs to avoid as much as possible. One of those tough British divisions is white restricted and could otherwise never be used offensively. My last campaign, what with the cost of buying out American divisions and other needs-fully 1/3 of my big Indian divisions were not unrestricted at the end of 1944. I really think securing Northern Oz is the best practical move for Japan. I would want to take and secure Ceylon as well. Just for the shipyard and the delaying effect. Not to mention the fairly easy kill of the garrison. But the rest of India-looks more like a "tar baby" to me.

Agree with what you say crsutton, except for the part about going into northern Oz. Canoerebel and Sprior showed that N. Oz is a prison camp for the Japanese once the allies gain control of the sea.
IMO forces earmarked for N.Oz are better used to build up the southern DEI and NG, especially Merauke and Terapo.

Actually disagree. Northern Oz can be taken relatively easy and even if held with a moderate garrison can only be retaken by sea due the lack of supply flow for the Allies overland. The key is that the Japanese player if he is doing his job should have command of the sea or parity until late 1943 at worst. And as with any theater, India, Burma, China, it is knowing when to time your bugging out that matters. But Darwin is must, and even if you eventually sacrifice an army corp to the Allies to hold it. It pays to hold it as long as possible. Once the Allies take command of the sea-virtually every Japanese position involves holding fast and taking the sacrifice. The key is which positions are most important to hold. I for one would want to hold Darwin for as long as possible.

In turn, I'll disagree with you. Darwin's importance is over-stated. Is it nice to deny the Allies the base? Yes. Is it worth a corps? Not by a mile.

There's not even the need to risk an army corps holding on to Darwin - it's easy enough to inderdict any Allied efforts to supply by sea using air units based in the Eastern DEI. By the time the Allies have the naval strength to force supplies through to Darwin, the base is insignificant and you've gave the Allies a bunch of Japanese units stuck in a clear terrain hex on the coast (ie, a perfect target for air and naval bombardment).

Why mop the floor with champange when water will do just fine?

But if you don't stay, your opponent can just walk some piddly unit up there and retake it at will .

Made any use of Darwin yet?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 8:00:42 PM

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Made any use of Darwin yet?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/3/2014 8:23:33 PM

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Sept 15 - 18, 1942

INDIA: Mangalore is taken by para-assault and then bears the brunt of multiple air strikes daily. The P-38s can't effectively CAP at a 6 hex distance against waves of zeros. I added some other fighters in but it seems it'll just have to wait until some base forces, a division and a bunch of AA walk down the coast road. I keep looking around and it seems nothing is moving out of nearby bases to try to counter here.

I'm going to run some AMC down the coast to see what his strike capability is like in the area.

The Japanese also send waves of sweeps at Gorakhpur, and we lose aout 2:1, but not a single pilot KIA.

Pacific: Bombing of the Solomons bases has become a daily affair, but does relatively little damage. The forward bases Take the hits while several in the back begin to build. The Japanese don't seem to have much in the area, or at least aren't using much. The Kitakami and Oi are prowling around with some older DDs, and I'll give that a try try with some RAN cruisers. It looks like an amphib TF is moving down the slot, so our cruisers will head up it. Wow, sounds familiar.

CHINA: The units in the mountains are beginning to crumble. A 1:1 on the 18th disables 200+ infantry squads and ai strikes are doing real damage in this x2 terrain. I'll look for a day after an attack that doesn't do as well, if there is a chance for that, and try to move these back one hex. Sucks, but better than losing 10k troops in a retreat.

Everything is shifting around trying to get spent units back around Chungking and fresh ones forward. Chikhiang will have about 1300AV to test any crossing of the river, and on the other side Kweiyang has some fresh units moving in and other digging at the river. It'll be difficult for Japan to move forward quickly up there, but this makes me think the schedule for india needs to step up a notch to begin getting the air bridge moving. Good thing the Marines just landed over there!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 15, 42
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Morning Air attack on Lunga , at 114,138

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 10

No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Mangalore (30,34)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 747 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 23

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 23 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Mangalore !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
2/7 Commando Bn /1

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 16, 42
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Morning Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 45

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 16
Hurricane IIb Trop x 32
Mohawk IV x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed
Mohawk IV: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 15
Hurricane IIb Trop x 20
Mohawk IV x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIa Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 5
Hurricane IIb Trop x 8
Mohawk IV x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIa Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
Mohawk IV: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
37 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 20000 feet

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 17, 42
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Morning Air attack on 2/7 Commando Battalion, at 30,34 (Mangalore)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 45

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on 2/2nd Ind Coy , at 111,135 (Vangunu)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 35

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 18, 42
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nauru Island at 127,128, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Shoei Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Northampton
CA Louisville
DD Henley
DD Wilson
DD Lang
DD Downes
DD Worden

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway

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Night Naval bombardment of Nauru Island at 127,128

Allied Ships
CA Louisville
CA Northampton
DD Worden
DD Downes
DD Lang
DD Wilson
DD Henley

Japanese ground losses:
308 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 5
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 1

SOC-1 Seagull acting as spotter for CA Louisville
DD Downes firing at Kure 5th SNLF

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Morning Air attack on Mangalore , at 30,34

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 33

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 3
P-38F Lightning x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-66 Vanguard: 1 destroyed
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 88th Naval Guard Unit, at 130,130 (Ocean Island)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 72,49 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30085 troops, 442 guns, 1186 vehicles, Assault Value = 1198

Defending force 41456 troops, 276 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1229

Japanese adjusted assault: 894

Allied adjusted defense: 455

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
644 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 73 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Vehicles lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
764 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 210 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Assaulting units:
2nd Tank Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
16th Division
4th Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
23rd Army
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
7th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps

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Since the very early attack on Sian that ended badly for the Japanese, there have been no more attempts to take the city. I've slowly reduced the garrison, and now, to my surprise and amazement, supply is actually increasing. This is also happening in Changsha. I'm glad I decided to hold onto these, as China in its isolated state needs all the supply it can get.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/4/2014 8:19:45 AM

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CENT PAC

This area is now burgeoning with two major clusters building quickly around Tabiteuaea and Abemama. These will be the major hubs for Allied movement forward in the area.

The Japanese haven't invested much in Ocean Island, but have some more involved defenses at Nauru. I'll try to pick away at ocean and hopefully get it cheap soon. Neither the KB or any major surface forces have shown themselves in the area lately. My supply moves are still somewhat cautious, with only a few TFs of xAPs and only sporadically. More usually it's multiple trips by APDs/AVD and xAKL. Nekefutai and the Elice Islands to the South are medium sized ports with supplies and fuel now to load for the Gilberts and the use of Christmas Island and Canton Island is waning.

Most West Coast supply and fuel TFs head for Suva and Noumea, with a few direct to OZ. Most Cent Pac supply will now be moved up from Fiji.

In the long term I'm still not sure where this Cent Pac development will lead. It will depend a lot on what happens in So Pac and in the IO. For now no CV use will extend into this area.

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