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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/2/2014 6:44:57 PM

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Have not played in a few months..... new German armored cars/halftracks maybe?

where are all those new funky colors?

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/2/2014 6:56:23 PM

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Sorry, it'n not a feature of 1.08, that's only because it's an AI vs AI game and AI doesn't suffere these penalties.

AH OK

I didn't know that

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/2/2014 6:59:07 PM

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Is that the new official map or a mod ??

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/3/2014 11:32:13 AM

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Is that the new official map or a mod ??

It looks like Jison's map mod, located here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3327255

Cheers,

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/3/2014 3:31:00 PM

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Aha ! Thank you !

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/7/2014 3:25:43 AM

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Morvael, you're a GOD OF GAMES ! Thanks for all the work.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/8/2014 12:53:11 AM

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It is imminent, I can feel the release happening; it will be any time.. NOW....,
....NOW...nope...NOW...

Can't wait to try(learn) the new rule system that everyone is testing at the moment and is already playing and adjusting and will be until it is right for everyone and everyone agrees which is at an indefinite time.

Any time now I guess or maybe December when WITW is released.

No really I feel it will be sometime this week

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/14/2014 12:29:38 AM

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^
Okay, so looks like I was wrong about last week.

I'm guessing there are a few H2H games that have been going on as they are testing the new beta. Hows it all coming along...or is it?

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 8:02:49 AM

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The patch is ready and it's now in the hands of 2by3 and Matrix. I just got an email from Joel, where he says they hope to launch it in the next 2 weeks.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 9:05:43 AM

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Nice, but why another 2 weeks? Some more internal testing?

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 9:22:20 AM

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Companies have other commitments, deadlines, marketing schedules, that kind of things. Not directly related to producing the patch :)

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 1:05:11 PM

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translation, 2x3 has WITW almost ready and when that's finished they will get around to the .08 patch when they feel like it.

Evidence in "two weeks" everything but marketing will be done on WITW then one month of hype, the proof is the use of the words marketing schedules.

maybe somebody could tell me why the same guys who sold us the wite fiasco will do any different with witw.

Ps one can play wite with necessary work arounds, i do, still not a decent product

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 1:10:08 PM

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It's not their fault that it took me so long to prepare 1.08 and that they are busy now with other things, so please don't start any flame wars now. WitE is a fine game, not "fiasco".
edit: and the words about possible causes are mine, private, not related with what 2by3 and Matrix are really doing.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 1:29:15 PM

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I am playing WitE from release, sure its not perfect but still the best you can get on the market. Calling it "not a decent product" is not worth commenting.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 2:41:00 PM

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ok fellas have it your way and after this i will shut up. Fine product = no bugs. Decent product = lots of sales.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 4:07:08 PM

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quote:

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translation, 2x3 has WITW almost ready and when that's finished they will get around to the .08 patch when they feel like it.

Evidence in "two weeks" everything but marketing will be done on WITW then one month of hype, the proof is the use of the words marketing schedules.

maybe somebody could tell me why the same guys who sold us the wite fiasco will do any different with witw.

Ps one can play wite with necessary work arounds, i do, still not a decent product

Stupid or ignorant is a better word.

2by3 is a small company making huge games that require public testing, because there is simply no way a small
company can figure out all the exploits and balancing issues the likes of Bomazz, sapper, MT, myself and others have found over the last 2 yrs.

Nothing comes close to WitP or WitE nothing to-date.

Allot of exploits, bugs, coding errors ect ect from WitE have been removed from WitW. Sure there will be some issues but far less then WitE.
2by3 learns from past mistakes.

No one has whined and bitched nearly as much as I have ( not close ) about WitE and 2by3, but over and over 2by3 has
addressed balancing and other issues with up-dates and patches. Sure not as fast a whining btchs like you and I want, but it will get done when its done.

2by3 is not perfect by any means, but once they release a product they back it up with improvements unlike most gaming companys.
The product over time becomes as close to perfect as humanly possible.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 4:23:24 PM

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Said I would shut up but calling me stupid and ignorant calls for a response.

where would wite be without Morveal, back at .11, that's where. 2x3 had "moved on" that's their own words. I don't know how witw will turn out yet, natch.

Now I will shut up if you can stop insulting me.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 6:18:44 PM

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The patch is ready and it's now in the hands of 2by3 and Matrix. I just got an email from Joel, where he says they hope to launch it in the next 2 weeks.

Awesome news. Much thanks are in order for all your hard work and time invested!!!

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/15/2014 7:41:00 PM

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I have found secret video of charlie0311 after he heard 2by3 was not releasing .8 for several weeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/16/2014 12:38:35 AM

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Well thanks for letting us know. But two weeks; just to submit a file for download! I don't see how this is necessary. "commitments, "Marketing...Yes I know all about this rigmarole, I work for a large corporation. Lots of stuff we have to do that we all know we really don't have to do.

That said at least it won't be much longer.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/16/2014 4:06:29 AM

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We are not a large company. We are a very small company. Basically I have to get Pavel to make a release exe (he has a full time job and is working on critical WitW items and is on the other side of the globe from me). Next, I have to assemble all the files from Dominik, and then pass them on in the format that Matrix would like them to be in. I happen to be working on a deadline now for the WitW manual, while also dealing with several issues with WitW that need immediate attention, and many others that need attention but won't get it immediately. As it is, my wife complains that I spend too much time working on these silly games. Once I have the files to Matrix, they then have to put it in their production queue. They are a bigger company than 2by3, but not much bigger in terms of number of employees. Yet they produce tons of games every year, all of them requiring periodic updating. Dominik, Dennis and the WitE testers have done a fantastic job working on this 1.08 patch. It is absolutely true that we had to end our support of WitE and without these guys no further work on WitE would have happened. We cannot continue to work on a game endlessly when there is little revenue to be gained from it (yes, even if this patch made the game so perfect that everyone agreed it was the best operational Eastern Front game ever made, it would still earn us relatively few extra dollars). I'm sorry if some of you have pushed WitE to the point where you are disappointed, but I'd bet that for every one of you there are 100 customers happy with WitE and the number of hours of enjoyment they got from the game. We cannot continue to support a product for that 1 out of 100 (I will admit the 1 is vocal).

The interesting thing about our customer base is it's pretty experienced and savvy (I could say old, but I wont't go there). Many of you have a lot of business experience and know the position we are in. We do the best we can with the resources we have. We aren't Microsoft or Google and you can be sure we aren't making Microsoft or Google wages. When people like Dominik and Dennis come along and are willing to volunteer a lot of their time to improve a game, we say thank you very much and let them go at it. We try to support them the best that we can. Feel free to believe what you want about the evil 2by3 and Matrix, but be sure to appreciate what these volunteers have done. We will get the patch out as soon as we can. It's nice to know that people are excited to see it come out.

And please, everyone, stop the name calling.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/16/2014 4:45:41 AM

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Joel, very well stated. Some of my remarks have been out of line. There was NEVER any intention to paint 2x3 as "evil". My opinion, well substantiated, is that wite 1.0 was released prematurely. The question is if there is a viable solution going forward. 2x3 seems to have decided to, and are, going forward with witw. I wish you success. I hope you guys have alpha and beta'd and whatever else so you/we don't get a replay of the wite adventure

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/17/2014 12:34:51 AM

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Joel, my apologies, you obviously aren't a large company (not even like EA) thank God!) and I do appreciate the fact that so much work is being done to make us or most of us happy with WITE.

Love your games and hope WITW to be a big success for you.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/17/2014 12:40:20 AM

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I haven't made any posts about 1.08 as it will arrive when it arrives and I'm having a fun PBEM right now. However I would like to take this opportunity to make a pre-emptive apology.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/17/2014 12:47:51 AM

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If it wasn't for small companies like 2by3 and Matrix, etc., I wouldn't hardly have any games to play. God knows I can't tolerate 99.9% of the fluff released as games by the market today. So, thank you so much for all you do, as well as all the work done by the dedicated fans that add content, mods, patches, etc. I am truly in your debt...

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/17/2014 1:04:18 AM

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/17/2014 1:31:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rsallen64

If it wasn't for small companies like 2by3 and Matrix, etc., I wouldn't hardly have any games to play. God knows I can't tolerate 99.9% of the fluff released as games by the market today. So, thank you so much for all you do, as well as all the work done by the dedicated fans that add content, mods, patches, etc. I am truly in your debt...

Amen...

it takes nearly 2000 years to found the last known exploits in chess, so... :-)

... thx morveal we are very good in time!

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/17/2014 3:11:06 AM

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quote:

If it wasn't for small companies like 2by3 and Matrix, etc., I wouldn't hardly have any games to play. God knows I can't tolerate 99.9% of the fluff released as games by the market today. So, thank you so much for all you do, as well as all the work done by the dedicated fans that add content, mods, patches, etc. I am truly in your debt...

Agree wholeheartedly. I have played WitE for years and it has given me countless hours of gaming enjoyment. Hats off to Matrix which allows small publishers to get their games into our hands. I don't give thanks often enough to those who work so cheaply or even for free to bring these games to us.

I don't give anyone a pass for a bad game. I have not seen one yet from Grigsby or 2by3. Any game as complicated and with as small a development team as WitE had will have bugs. I remember an early game where Stavka switched to German control. It made me laugh and I found a way to trick it back to Russian allegiance and kept playing. I would rather have that bug pop up than wait another year for the game to be released. I challenge anyone to name a game company that responds to gamer input as well as 2by3, who will fix a major bug and post an update sometimes only days after it is discovered.

Enough soap box, apologies in advance to anyone I've offended.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/17/2014 1:22:42 PM

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Can always develop one's own game and, when perfected, publish. Just look over your shoulder at your roomful of programmers and historians and put them to work... not holding my breath.

Useful discussion of exploits, techniques, history, strategies is useful; that's not complaining.

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RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? - 10/17/2014 11:52:54 PM

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Hey, did anyone fix the units that surrendered at Stalingrad from exiting the game for the West Front with their vehicles, manpower, and irreplaceable counter, despite the fact that the game already accounts for production/manpower allocated to the other theaters of conflict?

I thought not...
Hey Mr. Billings, still not reading me?

Yeah. Still not buying War in the West, because I learned from War in the East.

Sincere thanks to Morvael and the testers.

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