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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 11:06:35 AM   
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BB bombard Tjilatjap does only light damage.


I bombarded Tjilatjap a lot with BBs and almost always had very poor results compared to other locations.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 12:22:46 PM   
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An aerial minelaying mission against Tjilatjap fails to fly - I do wish I could find some confirmation that is supposed to be possible.


I can't say that I've done a lot of testing on aerial minelaying, but I can tell you that it does work. (For both sides.)






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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 4:29:16 PM   
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Quixote, thanks for the confirmation.

I see that is in October 1944. Do you know that it can work in 1943 for the Japanese? I know it can for the Allies but I wonder what the start date is for the Japanese.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 4:53:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spidery

A few philosophical musings.

Barring a miracle I am not going to win this game.


You don't need to win. It's the Allies that need to win, you just can't afford to lose.

quote:

Lots of good advice folks and please keep it coming. However, I may well ignore it because I want to try things for myself and see how they work out. Not having got this far before I am almost completely in the dark in predicting what the result of many actions will be. I like this, it seems a pretty good approximation to the real world situation so is more fun.


Well, at least be sure to learn not to go down the route the Japanese historically did!

Best of luck in getting Kane off Java!

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 5:36:10 PM   
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July 24th 1943

Air Losses: 8 Japanese, 3 Allied, 3 Pilots
Japanese occupy:
Allies occupy:
Japanese land at:
Allies land at:

Subs

I-27, RO-33, I-3 all make tries on a large APA etc. task force moving South off the North West Cape. No hits and I-27 and RO-23 both will retire with minor damage.
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ASW attack near Exmouth at 49,120

Japanese Ships
SS I-27, hits 8

Allied Ships
BB Nevada
DE John D. Edwards
DMS Hopkins
DMS Elliot
DMS Lamberton
DMS Zane
APA Elmore
APA Cambria
APA Sumter
APA Arthur Middleton
APA Crescent City
APA President Hayes
APA U.S. Grant
APA Fuller
APA Heywood
APA Zeilin
AKA Oberon
AKA Electra
AKA Centarus
AKA Virgo
AKA Thuban
AKA Alcyon
AKA Titania
AKA Algorab
AKA Alhena
AKA Betelgeuse
AKA Libra
AKA Bellatrix
xAP Duchess of Bedford
xAP Rochambeau
xAP Santa Elena
xAP Hermitage
xAP Mount Vernon
DE Chew
DE Ward
DE Peary
DE Parrott


Various Allied attacks but no significant damage on either side.

DEI

Multiple low-level bombing runs on the 767th Tank Battalion have a low success rate and knock out just a single vehicle and disable two.

Allied task forces have turned around and are now threatening to reinforce Tjilatjap or start a landing at Djokjakarta or somewhere else. This time there are reports of transport forces in amongst the carriers. However, the various naval search display limitations in the game mean I have zero idea just how much he his sending - the kitchen sink is in there but not sure whether he has the 2nd best bed as well.

Yamato, Ise and Hiei bombard Tjilatjap and knockout some I39WH-3 and CW-22, these are obsolete Dutch bombers; does he have Dutch reinforcements that are arriving now he has the base? They do fair damage disabling a few squads but still nothing great. Most Allied land troops are moving towards Bandoeng.

A CA task force was sent to intercept what I thought might be a fast transport TF heading for Christmas Island. It reacts into the Allied main forces and encounters the British Battleships. Luckily, there are no air strikes launched against my cruisers and they should be able to make it to safety.
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Djokjakarta at 50,108, Range 25,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro, Shell hits 1
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 6, on fire
CA Kumano
CA Aoba, Shell hits 2
DD Susuzuki, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Arashi, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Nenohi, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Revenge, Shell hits 21, on fire
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1
BB Ramillies, Shell hits 9, on fire
BB Resolution, Shell hits 10, on fire
DD Jupiter, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Racehorse, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
DD Redoubt
DD Relentless, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Rotherham, Shell hits 2, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 25,000 yards
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 25,000 yards


DD Suzuki sinks later.

Aerial mine-laying again fails to fly.

Solomons etc.

Allies try to clear the minefields at Rabaul. They clear 179 mines leaving just 226 still present but take heavy damage on their minesweepers:
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85 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
YMS-114, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
YMS-113, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
YMS-120, Shell hits 2, on fire
YMS-119, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
YMS-118, Shell hits 2, on fire
YMS-117, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
YMS-99, Shell hits 1
YMS-98, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
YMS-97, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
YMS-96, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
YMS-95, Shell hits 3
YMS-94, Shell hits 2, on fire
YMS-86, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
YMS-85, Shell hits 1
YMS-84, Shell hits 2, on fire

Sinking sounds but not really possible to tell how many may have been sunk.

Engineering

Saipan forts to 7. Do I carry on, or relocate the engineers to other places?

Production

B6N2a to 6/44

Reinforcements

Quiet

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 7:10:04 PM   
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Tjilatjap is a Dutch reinforcement point, along with Soerbaja. Any Dutch reinforcements that were delayed after its loss will now appear, along with any destroyed Dutch units that he bought back into play. Replacement squads have been accumulating in the meantime.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 7:25:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Naskra

Tjilatjap is a Dutch reinforcement point, along with Soerbaja. Any Dutch reinforcements that were delayed after its loss will now appear, along with any destroyed Dutch units that he bought back into play. Replacement squads have been accumulating in the meantime.


Hi, and thank-you for the information. So if he planned ahead and purchased back all the destroyed Dutch base forces they could all have reappeared at Tjilatjap and be filling up.

Note for next game - defend Tjilatjap.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 7:55:10 PM   
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You're welcome, quite. From what I've seen in these AARs, Mrs. Kane did not raise a fool for a son; prepare for the worst.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 8:16:30 PM   
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Yes, good info Naskra. Is it only Tjil and Soer to worry about? Or are their other bases that will allow Dutch reinforcements to show up upon liberation by the Allies?

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 10:09:37 PM   
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The way I understand it is this (and I will be happily corrected by those more knowledgeable):

Destroyed units can be recalled to service if and only if they have a base to arrive at. For the Dutch (not other ABDA nationals) this means only Soerbaja and Tjilatjap. Once the unit is recalled, it needs 21-36 days to arrive. In that waiting period, it will fill out its TOE, dependent on component availability. If the unit is recalled, and the base of arrival is no longer in friendly hands, the unit will wait and arrive immediately once the base is free.

In this situation, had Mr K recalled from the dead any Dutch units between the time they would have zombied up and the day he lost both Tjil and Soer, those units would stand in queue and immediately appear upon the capture of Tjiltajap. If he didn't plan that far ahead, he can recall the units now and wait 21-36 days.
I am speaking here of LCUs only.



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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 9/30/2014 10:25:31 PM   
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Makes sense to me. And definitely a good reason to provide some extra defense to Tjil and Soerabaja.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/1/2014 2:59:38 AM   
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... Not having got this far before I am almost completely in the dark in predicting what the result of many actions will be. I like this, it seems a pretty good approximation to the real world situation so is more fun.


Exactly!

I've never played the Empire before. And now into Oct 42, I'm frequently scratching my head and trying to figure how to counter something without risking too much or losing too much. And all I see are tougher and tougher decisions in the coming months. Most interesting!

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/1/2014 9:50:13 AM   
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July 25th 1943

Air Losses: 80 Japanese, 76 Allied, 40 Pilots
Japanese occupy:
Allies occupy:
Japanese land at:
Allies land at:

Subs

I-28 puts a torpedo into the Hornet near Java but is herself sunk.

I-171 puts a torpedo into xAP Neleus, part of a large troop convoy passing the North West Cape.

Various subs on each side get damaged.

DEI

No new landings, seems to be concentrating on landing troops at Tjilatjap. Sweeps do well, a bombing run has little LRCAP and fails to get through. Looks like the Allied engineers will have the runways repaired in another day.

Some ships moving on the North of Java attract a small Allied strike that is ripped to shreds by leaking CAP.

All a good start at weakening the Allied airforce.

The cruisers encounter a DD force do some damage and take none but are out of ammunition.

Solomons etc.

P-38G sweep Manus. Losses favour the Allies but not by too much it seems.

Engineering

Allies build an airfield at Namatanai.

Production

Quiet

Reinforcements

Quiet


Day air losses






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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/1/2014 3:53:17 PM   
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MrKane has started his own mirror AAR. This makes the risk of inadvertent security breaches more likely. I think I will change the style of this AAR in consequence and run it a week or so behind the game.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/3/2014 11:25:40 AM   
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July 26th 1943

CA Suzuya takes a TT just outside of Soerabaja but makes port for repairs easily.

I-7 takes 2 torpedoes from an Allied sub and sinks.

Surprising failure of an Allied attack:
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Allied adjusted assault: 158

Japanese adjusted defense: 82

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
227 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (5 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
176 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
766th Tank Battalion
24th Infantry Division
7th Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
181st Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
183rd Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
249th Field Artillery Battalion
208th Coast AA Regiment

Defending units:
41st Infantry Regiment
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
2nd INA Gandhi Regiment



Warhawks appear over Tjilatjap and sweep does very poorly, few planes lost on either side.

Naval search suggests he has managed to restock fighters on his carriers.

Light cruiser force raids Tjilatjap and engages BB. CL Kuma lost and the Allies lose 2 DD. Only 1 torpedo hit scored and that was on a DD.

I don't think I can stop him establishing Tjilatjap as a level 9 airbase and bombing my oil facilities. However, I should be able to put a fair amount of CAP over them forcing him to use night strikes. I'll be able to start deploying night fighters in September. Singapore and Soerabaja repair yards will also be untenable. I should be able to contain the current landing to prevent taking any other bases but if he makes another landing all bets are off. It is possible I will in a few months be able to force him back into Tjilatjap but doubt then I'll be able to prevent him bombarding and resupplying so will be unable to recapture it.

Break for a week as I am away

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/3/2014 12:22:31 PM   
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I guess that attack is at Tjilatjap? Only attacked with a fraction of the forces present...

Good luck and enjoy your short vacation from the game.


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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/3/2014 12:33:45 PM   
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No, on the road between Tjilatjap and Benzoelen(?). He may have had some reserves held back to pursue or it could be that his troops were disrupted still from the bombardments and landings.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/3/2014 5:51:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spidery

No, on the road between Tjilatjap and Benzoelen(?). He may have had some reserves held back to pursue or it could be that his troops were disrupted still from the bombardments and landings.


You can check what happened when he amphibiously landed. If his troops were prepped then they would not have taken many disablements.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/13/2014 4:37:50 PM   
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July 27th 1943

Lots of sub action. Possible sinking of SS Jack by E Sagi.

Sweeps of Tjilatjap are bad, will stop until planes fixed and have more aviation support at nearby bases. Allies have over 150 planes on CAP.

Allies restart bombing of Rabaul and Kavieng, flak downs some planes.

Supply is too low at Soerabaja to replace planes.

Allied carriers seem to be withdrawing again.

Recce reports 200+ fighters at Tjilatjap.

Allies have already expanded Tjilatjap to 3, they will be able to base heavy bombers here within a week. Apart from the danger to Palembang, Djambi, Balikpapan and Samarinda this also threatens Singapore port and its yards.

At Bandoeng now have forces over the SL so will pull out the weaker and move in better forces. With luck these will be able to hold the base.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/13/2014 4:38:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


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No, on the road between Tjilatjap and Benzoelen(?). He may have had some reserves held back to pursue or it could be that his troops were disrupted still from the bombardments and landings.


You can check what happened when he amphibiously landed. If his troops were prepped then they would not have taken many disablements.


Was thinking more about disruption from the long sea voyage from Perth.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/16/2014 6:14:06 PM   
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Bump to save from Page 2 purgatory.


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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/17/2014 12:21:46 PM   
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Try some night strikes at Tjilatjap, no hits and heavy AA losses.

Allies expand Tjilatjap to 4 and now report 389 fighters, 74 bombers, 18 auxiliary present - heavily overstacked even if they are all 1E. 1 more day and will be able to start flying 4E at full effect.

2nd INA Gandhi regiment is slow to move and is destroyed. The cost to recall is 720 - don't think I'll be recalling that but what makes it so expensive?

I-32 sinks TK British Genius near Karachi.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/17/2014 12:22:56 PM   
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July 29th

Allies strike with small forces at task forces unloading at Soerabaja. 1 xAK (empty) 1 AMc lost but downed 32 Hellcats and 7 Wildcats.

Set some CAP over Rabaul and downed a B-24D1, 4 Anson and 4 P-39D. All told 55 enemy losses for 20 of mine and a bunch of those were naval search planes lost to CAP.

SS Kingfish hits a mine at Banjoewangi and may have sunk.

2 new aces at Soerabaja and 1 at Manus.

Allies now have 388 fighters and 100 bombers at Tjilatjap.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/17/2014 12:23:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Bump to save from Page 2 purgatory.




Cheers

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/17/2014 12:25:03 PM   
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July 30th

N1K1-J do well over Manus downing 14 P-38H. No N1K1-J are lost but 7 Ki-84a and 3 J2M2 are lost. I think I may pull the franks and jacks.

Allies have expanded Tjilatjap to 5 so am expecting strikes against oil facilities to start.

Lead Allied forces enter Bandoeng hex. I have over-stacked by 20% with 2 divisions plus smaller stuff including the experienced 110th Division (89 experience). However, only have 4 30cm guns in the way of heavy artillery present.

Gathering forces at Merak to launch a raid on Tjilatjap. Hope to have 3 bombardment task forces with 7 BB and 2 or 3 cruiser SCTF forces to lead the way. Also may try and send a mine-laying task force in. Hope also to be able to sweep with 100 N1K1-J from close airfields. Depending how that all goes the following day may send the carriers in an 8 hex strike.

Ki-84r advances to 11/44

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/17/2014 2:35:02 PM   
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2nd INA Gandhi regiment is slow to move and is destroyed. The cost to recall is 720 - don't think I'll be recalling that but what makes it so expensive?


Probably because you won't be taking many Indian prisoners from which you can recruit replacements from!

That said, it 720PP does seem quite excessive for what is essentially a garrison unit.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/17/2014 3:17:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spidery

2nd INA Gandhi regiment is slow to move and is destroyed. The cost to recall is 720 - don't think I'll be recalling that but what makes it so expensive?


Probably because you won't be taking many Indian prisoners from which you can recruit replacements from!

That said, it 720PP does seem quite excessive for what is essentially a garrison unit.


Expensive! Note to self: don't lose the INA units.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/19/2014 10:56:23 AM   
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July 31st 1943

I-171 is worked over to small damage off the North West Cape.

Allies expand Tjilatjap to 6! 513 F, 122 B, 26 A reported present. Unknown number and strength of task forces present.

Allies bombard at Benkoelen, minor damage.

Allies seem to be sending a division up the road to take Kavieng.

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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/19/2014 11:00:36 AM   
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July 1943 overview

The poor CV action followed by the firm lodgement on Java make this a very bad month.

Air and sea losses mainly reflect the bad CV action. Jump in base points from expanding Chungking.

Allied at sea losses are 2 good-sized TK sunk by sub action and the rest SS or DD. Am beginning to get a few enemy SS sunk as surface ASW assets improve.
            Japan      Allies
Overall:   +1,033      +1,863
Land:         +71         +97
Air:         +581        +700
Base:        +260        +156
Sea:         +121        +910







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RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no Mr... - 10/19/2014 11:01:16 AM   
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Losses at Sea

The SST lost was an experiment. It didn't seem much use and the extra VP lost after the conversion means I doubt I will be producing more SST.




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