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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/1/2014 4:46:07 PM

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Marshalls and Lower Solomons - While taking these bases don't do anything major to his economy and overall defensive position, they do one important think. They cut down the travel time from USA to Australia. Since it takes about a month to do each leg, being able to slice off a few days for the trip always helps.

I never found this to be critical. Except for the early days. Allies get so much shipping that it does not matter much. I much prefer to ignore these bases and push forward in the Solomons. Take some bases around Rabaul or Kavaeng (sp) and the line Islands can't be supported anyways and you can pretty much sail convoys right through them. There is the rogue float plane threat but it is not much of one. Problem with the Line Islands is that once you take them they really do not support any other advance. You still need your fleet to continue. But any base you take in the Solomons or NG is a springboard for your next advance-right up to the PI. Lose some carriers and you can still fight there. I might take Tarawa or another base or two if it is easy, but otherwise I just ignore this area.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/1/2014 6:22:07 PM

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Marshalls and Lower Solomons - While taking these bases don't do anything major to his economy and overall defensive position, they do one important think. They cut down the travel time from USA to Australia. Since it takes about a month to do each leg, being able to slice off a few days for the trip always helps.

I never found this to be critical. Except for the early days. Allies get so much shipping that it does not matter much. I much prefer to ignore these bases and push forward in the Solomons. Take some bases around Rabaul or Kavaeng (sp) and the line Islands can't be supported anyways and you can pretty much sail convoys right through them. There is the rogue float plane threat but it is not much of one. Problem with the Line Islands is that once you take them they really do not support any other advance. You still need your fleet to continue. But any base you take in the Solomons or NG is a springboard for your next advance-right up to the PI. Lose some carriers and you can still fight there. I might take Tarawa or another base or two if it is easy, but otherwise I just ignore this area.

This is my thought from the Japanese side as well. I haven't worried much about the Marshalls.

I had zero plans to move here before this game got going, but it's still so early, and the option was there, so I figured, why not? Gives me practice in landing and logistics of what it takes to get an atoll/small sized island, puts pressure on the Japanese to react, and I can learn his tendencies in doing so, and also get to kill off some Japanese troops. Maybe even ships if he sends them in, although none so far in this area have been risked.

It's Nov 42, and I feel like if I get a foothold on the lines of advance through Cent Pac, up the Solomons and onto the New Guinea coast, I'll be able to put pressure without too much effort while taking on bigger things elsewhere. If he starts to think that I'm starting to think this is the main advance, then maybe he uses the KB here, and then maybe I can do other things elsewhere.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/1/2014 6:30:23 PM

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I second nyg59giants point-- the Marshalls are great to have for the Allies, despite their low VP's and economic value. They allow you to "own" the central Pacific SLOC's and any Japanese fleet movement can be spotted by your PBY Catalina's etc. And conversely the Japanese don't know what your ships are up to in the Central Pacific until you are right on the Marianas doorstep. The Marshalls are worth taking and risking small amphibious TF's even if the KB shows up and smashes one or two of them.

Also I think myself and many others reading your AAR are seeing the futility of a Japanese attack on India (unless its an all out, go for broke autovictory attempt). The Japanese are weighted too much in the wrong direction when the real brunt of the Allied counteroffensive is steaming out of Hawaii and bases in the South Pacific.

The India campaign may not be what he intended but that is mainly that Calcutta industry got trashed. What it is doing is making it tough for me to hold China as I'd like to do without being able to fly supply in. More and more, and as he uses massive air assets there (around 300-400 bombers a turn some days) it becomes harder to hold even in good terrain. I have to hope this hurts the Japanese economy in the long run, but I can't bank on that and have to put as much pressure on elsewhere to hopefully strain the available resources.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/1/2014 9:28:20 PM

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If he starts to think that I'm starting to think this is the main advance, then maybe he uses the KB here, and then maybe I can do other things elsewhere.

and if you find the whole KB is elsewhere them use everything you got to just keep grabbing. Your LBA is in range now and it keeps growing and growing from here. He has good CD units in this mod but there are not infinite. Every unit he puts here is not in the DEI or visa vesa. He can't be everywhere and you have done a terrific job of taking what he was not guarding. Heck, you are barking at the Marshalls in 1942. If and when you grab them you begin to sniff the Marianas. Now those are something

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 8:08:20 AM

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Nov 20 - 22, 1942

SUBS: I've had poor luck with the Dutch subs this game. Lots of attempts like the one on the 20th against Bangkok Maru where the KXVI launches 4 TT for no hits. The I-173 is more accurate and hits xAK Yoma with one fish rounding the SE corner of OZ, but the Ship should make it to Sydney still moving at 3 hexes a day. Pike gets a good shot at CM Tokiwa near Ponape but can't put her down.

CENT PAC: Troops planned for Mili unload at Tabiteuaea for now. I'll begin loading for Nauru just in case the TF up North moves out now that he's seen us stand down. He has been getting some detection on the amphib with BBs and a few points every once in a while on the CV TF. I've got two regiments planning for Nauru, one Army and one Marines.

SO PAC: Been doing some recon on the bases up the chain in the Solomons, and it seems he's got all covered with a small unit now. No more easy grabs I can find yet, but I have units prepping for all of these now, and I can always weaken something small with bombardment.

CHINA: Oscars chew up our P-38 LR CAP and we don't get to any bombers. Still, this takes two days off of the bombing runs and we're in better shape now in the 73, 49 hex South of Kweiyang.

We stood our ground again and got a 1:2, but with significant losses. I'm going to try now to abandon the 73,49 hex after months of holding there. These troops are at the breaking point and I might just be able to get them back before they collapse. I'l have to do lots of shifting at Kweiyang to avoid some of the SL penalty, but it'll have to be over for a couple of days anyway if I can sneak out. This will unit the two paths of the Japanese, unfortunately.

OZ: Units are marching steadily, the leading brigade now having passed the cutoff road to Alice Springs. I also see 6-8 DDs at Esperance, hanging around waiting.

SIGINT: I haven't seen this before!!! Does a naval command unit still give the bonus to attacking troops?

5th Fleet is planning for an attack on Changsha.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 20, 42
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Morning Air attack on 24th Chinese Corps, at 73,49 , near Kweiyang

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 27

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 4
P-38F Lightning x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet

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Ground combat at Lunga (114,138)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4136 troops, 40 guns, 89 vehicles, Assault Value = 155

Defending force 3564 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Allied adjusted assault: 52

Japanese adjusted defense: 9

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
718 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th Marine Regiment
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion

Defending units:
Maizuru 2nd SNLF
53rd Naval Guard Unit
47th JNAF AF Unit

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47th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Lunga by attrition!!!

Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Lunga

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 21, 42
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Sub attack near Ponape at 118,120

Japanese Ships
CM Tokiwa
SC Ch 24
xAK Cheribon Maru
xAKL Dori Maru
xAKL Yuki Maru
xAKL Hinode Maru
xAKL Takegawa Maru
xAKL Yamatsuru Maru
xAKL Heiku Maru
PB Hozugawa Maru
PB Nigitsu Maru
SC Ch 34

Allied Ships
SS Pike, hits 1

SS Pike launches 4 torpedoes at CM Tokiwa
Pike diving deep ....

Ground combat at Lunga (114,138)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 390 troops, 3 guns, 77 vehicles, Assault Value = 149

Defending force 3212 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 23

Allied adjusted assault: 34

Japanese adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
215 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
6th Marine Regiment
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
Nichols Field AAF Base Force /4

Defending units:
Maizuru 2nd SNLF
53rd Naval Guard Unit
47th JNAF AF Unit

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47th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Lunga by attrition!!!

Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Lunga

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 22, 42
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Morning Air attack on Maloelap , at 136,117

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 23

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 20000 feet

CAP engaged:
Yokosuka Ku T-3 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes

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Ground combat at 73,49 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31931 troops, 479 guns, 1210 vehicles, Assault Value = 1208

Defending force 35140 troops, 225 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 770

Japanese adjusted assault: 837

Allied adjusted defense: 969

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
557 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 31 (2 destroyed, 29 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1422 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 148 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd Tank Division
4th Tank Regiment
51st Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
Guards Tank Division
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
23rd Army
21st Mortar Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
24th Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
21st Group Army
11th Chinese Base Force

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Ground combat at Lunga (114,138)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1329 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 12

Defending force 4580 troops, 40 guns, 89 vehicles, Assault Value = 152

Japanese adjusted assault: 0

Allied adjusted defense: 305

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
464 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Maizuru 2nd SNLF

Defending units:
6th Marine Regiment
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
Nichols Field AAF Base Force /4

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Ground combat at Lunga (114,138)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 384 troops, 3 guns, 77 vehicles, Assault Value = 152

Defending force 907 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 18

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 18 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
6th Marine Regiment
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
Nichols Field AAF Base Force /4

Defending units:
Maizuru 2nd SNLF

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Maizuru 2nd SNLF Wiped Out at Lunga by attrition!!!

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Finally a more detailed view of what is lurking here. I think this may not be completely correct though either, as much earlier I saw something with more like 50 fighters and 60 bombers up here. Even with a few CVEs to support Wasp, I don't think it would be a good idea to tangle with the unknown here. After everything unloads and solidifies around the Gilberts I'll move out the USN into the shadows and set up some LBA to counter possible incursions.

The P-38s did a good job reducing his fighter presence, sweeping Maloelap. Too many ops losses though.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 10:53:15 AM

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SIGINT: I haven't seen this before!!! Does a naval command unit still give the bonus to attacking troops?

5th Fleet is planning for an attack on Changsha.

Besides Southern Army HQ, the 5th Fleet (NE Fleet) is the only other non-restrictive Command HQ that Japan gets in most mods. It only matters that it is a Command HQ to be able to give the bonus. I've suggested to most Japanese players that 5th Fleet start prepping for Manila from the beginning to shorten that siege (and move it to Luzon). Long ago in RA (now in BTS), I played around with the Editor to add two more Command HQs (SE Fleet and Combined Fleet). There is a field in the Editor that determines the range they can have (1, 5, or 9 hexes). I just suggested to Cribtop that he team one of these four Command HQs with the four non-restrictive Army HQ to increase his chance of getting the Command bonus (90% Adjusted AV). I would prep them for Singapore, Manila, and Batavia if I was playing RA or BTS as Japan.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 11:05:23 AM

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American CVEs - I divide them up into two types - Replenishment and normal. At this stage, I take off the DB/TB from the Replenishment type (28 fighters and 28 DB/TBs) and use them strictly as fighter only CVEs. Rather than use up your faster CL/CAs as escorts, I usually put one or two of the old BBs there for AA and as torpedo magnets. After the mid-December influx of three more normal CVEs, you can have a TF with 175 Wildcats to help cover your invasions.

Don't foget that you get over 90 CVEs throughout the war.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 12:59:11 PM

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SIGINT: I haven't seen this before!!! Does a naval command unit still give the bonus to attacking troops?

5th Fleet is planning for an attack on Changsha.

Besides Southern Army HQ, the 5th Fleet (NE Fleet) is the only other non-restrictive Command HQ that Japan gets in most mods. It only matters that it is a Command HQ to be able to give the bonus. I've suggested to most Japanese players that 5th Fleet start prepping for Manila from the beginning to shorten that siege (and move it to Luzon). Long ago in RA (now in BTS), I played around with the Editor to add two more Command HQs (SE Fleet and Combined Fleet). There is a field in the Editor that determines the range they can have (1, 5, or 9 hexes). I just suggested to Cribtop that he team one of these four Command HQs with the four non-restrictive Army HQ to increase his chance of getting the Command bonus (90% Adjusted AV). I would prep them for Singapore, Manila, and Batavia if I was playing RA or BTS as Japan.

In DBB, Japan also has 4th Fleet and Southeast Fleet that are designated both as command HQs and naval HQs. Do they still give the 90% bonus in land combat? I use them as if they do.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 1:02:24 PM

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A Command HQ is a Command HQ regardless of it being Army or Naval.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 1:55:20 PM

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SIGINT: I haven't seen this before!!! Does a naval command unit still give the bonus to attacking troops?

5th Fleet is planning for an attack on Changsha.

Besides Southern Army HQ, the 5th Fleet (NE Fleet) is the only other non-restrictive Command HQ that Japan gets in most mods. It only matters that it is a Command HQ to be able to give the bonus. I've suggested to most Japanese players that 5th Fleet start prepping for Manila from the beginning to shorten that siege (and move it to Luzon). Long ago in RA (now in BTS), I played around with the Editor to add two more Command HQs (SE Fleet and Combined Fleet). There is a field in the Editor that determines the range they can have (1, 5, or 9 hexes). I just suggested to Cribtop that he team one of these four Command HQs with the four non-restrictive Army HQ to increase his chance of getting the Command bonus (90% Adjusted AV). I would prep them for Singapore, Manila, and Batavia if I was playing RA or BTS as Japan.

Cool. Wish I'd realized this about 3-4 years ago!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 1:56:49 PM

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American CVEs - I divide them up into two types - Replenishment and normal. At this stage, I take off the DB/TB from the Replenishment type (28 fighters and 28 DB/TBs) and use them strictly as fighter only CVEs. Rather than use up your faster CL/CAs as escorts, I usually put one or two of the old BBs there for AA and as torpedo magnets. After the mid-December influx of three more normal CVEs, you can have a TF with 175 Wildcats to help cover your invasions. Don't foget that you get over 90 CVEs throughout the war.

This is exactly my feeling, and just what I've been doing. All strike planes fly off to train up and be used as LBA. I've got two BBs traveling with them as well.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 2:26:29 PM

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I second nyg59giants point-- the Marshalls are great to have for the Allies, despite their low VP's and economic value. They allow you to "own" the central Pacific SLOC's and any Japanese fleet movement can be spotted by your PBY Catalina's etc. And conversely the Japanese don't know what your ships are up to in the Central Pacific until you are right on the Marianas doorstep. The Marshalls are worth taking and risking small amphibious TF's even if the KB shows up and smashes one or two of them.

Also I think myself and many others reading your AAR are seeing the futility of a Japanese attack on India (unless its an all out, go for broke autovictory attempt). The Japanese are weighted too much in the wrong direction when the real brunt of the Allied counteroffensive is steaming out of Hawaii and bases in the South Pacific.

The India campaign may not be what he intended but that is mainly that Calcutta industry got trashed. What it is doing is making it tough for me to hold China as I'd like to do without being able to fly supply in. More and more, and as he uses massive air assets there (around 300-400 bombers a turn some days) it becomes harder to hold even in good terrain. I have to hope this hurts the Japanese economy in the long run, but I can't bank on that and have to put as much pressure on elsewhere to hopefully strain the available resources.

Well, to look on the positive, he is not using those masses of bombers elsewhere-which I think he would be better off doing. I really do think that Japan cannot ever afford this kind of supply burn early in the war. Time will tell.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 2:32:21 PM

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American CVEs - I divide them up into two types - Replenishment and normal. At this stage, I take off the DB/TB from the Replenishment type (28 fighters and 28 DB/TBs) and use them strictly as fighter only CVEs. Rather than use up your faster CL/CAs as escorts, I usually put one or two of the old BBs there for AA and as torpedo magnets. After the mid-December influx of three more normal CVEs, you can have a TF with 175 Wildcats to help cover your invasions. Don't foget that you get over 90 CVEs throughout the war.

Yeah for me all of those 28 plane VR groups get pulled off and used for training in 1942. You really have so few training units-especially torpedo bombers that it is a must. Otherwise when your fleet really starts to expand in 1943 you are going to be very short of good pilots. The temptation is to use them in combat but it is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 3:57:58 PM

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Change of subject: Curious result in your combats at Lunga - on both Nov. 20 and Nov. 21 combats the 47th JNAF Unit is shown as wiped out. I thought wiped out meant totally destroyed - so how could it appear in two different combats? Does FOW apply to the "wiped-out" messages?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/2/2014 9:31:22 PM

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Change of subject: Curious result in your combats at Lunga - on both Nov. 20 and Nov. 21 combats the 47th JNAF Unit is shown as wiped out. I thought wiped out meant totally destroyed - so how could it appear in two different combats? Does FOW apply to the "wiped-out" messages?

I wondered about that too. It was still there in terms of showing up as three units instead of two during the turn as well. Who knows?

They're all gone now though!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/3/2014 8:31:49 AM

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Nov 23 - 25, 1942

SUBS: The subs in the straits of Malaya still haven't seen any sign of the KB. It's probably gotten through earlier or on another route. I'll have to move most of these back now due to damage from the patrols in the area.

Still haven't gotten an attack on the ships up in the Marshalls, but search planes combined with a sub in the same hex got some intriguing info.

INDIA: I'm considering sending an army out on its own toward Darjeeling, try to by-pass the Patna stronghold. Could I make it without air cover? Not sure.

CENT PAC: Good search reports come in showing all kinds of the IJN up in the Marshalls looking ominous. I think it's a mini-KB and some BBs and cruisers. Enough to scare me back toward Canton Island for a few turns though. Still loading for Nauru, but this TF will stop at Nanumea and wait to see what happens here. Need subs to do something.

CHINA: In China some P-40Ks guess right and end up surviving an Oscar sweep to stay around in number for the main show, about 200 2E hitting Kweiyang. In spite of missing the incoming run due to their altitude at 15k, they hit the bombers o n the way out, downing around 18-19 on the day! Finally. As he gets closer to Chungking he has to think about how to handle this, and I also have to be wary of an all-in strike to shut the field there. It would be long range though, so a risk for him, but if my CAP is all set to long range, maybe not. He has to wonder at least since only the P-40s were at Kweiyang.

All troops get back into Kweiyang and the penalty for overstacking by anout 15k seems not so bad. Maybe it doesn't affect things so much when the base only has 80 supply points in it!

Good troops were able to shift back into Kweiyang and the worn out units will head to the rear to dig in and heal up. Now things get really interesting.

SIGINT: Interesting. Biak.

1/14th Division is loaded on a Japanese CM moving to Biak.

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Morning Air attack on 62nd Chinese Corps, at 76,50 , near Chihkiang

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 10

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 62nd Chinese Corps, at 76,50 , near Chihkiang

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 42
G4M1 Betty x 58

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 75th Chinese Corps, at 76,50 , near Chihkiang

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 4
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 61
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 5
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 36

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 25, 42
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Night Naval bombardment of Wenchow at 89,58

Japanese Ships
CL Agano
E Otori

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2
Port hits 2

F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for CL Agano
CL Agano firing at Wenchow
E Otori firing at 100th Chinese Corps

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This is a bit worrisome, but if I can get some more CVEs into play here, maybe I can get enough cover to challenge. Doesn't look like a lot of CV/CVE here. All of this disappeared the next day.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/3/2014 6:09:32 PM

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Lurker decloaking! I've been reading your thread from day 1, and wanted to say that I like your AAR presentation style and I'm enjoying your gameplay. I can't comment as I've been reading both sides, but keep up the good work.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/3/2014 7:06:59 PM

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This is a bit worrisome, but if I can get some more CVEs into play here, maybe I can get enough cover to challenge. Doesn't look like a lot of CV/CVE here. All of this disappeared the next day.

Just a bit?

What makes you think it is just the mini-kb? Interpreting these search results seems like a black science to me.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/3/2014 9:13:44 PM

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Lurker decloaking! I've been reading your thread from day 1, and wanted to say that I like your AAR presentation style and I'm enjoying your gameplay. I can't comment as I've been reading both sides, but keep up the good work.

Thanks! Neither of us mind much if someone is reading both sides and wants to comment. We've both been through duel AARs before and it makes both sides richer when people do feel free to say a few things. No pressure, just don't feel too restricted as long as you're not letting me know where the KB is hiding!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/3/2014 9:27:23 PM

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This is a bit worrisome, but if I can get some more CVEs into play here, maybe I can get enough cover to challenge. Doesn't look like a lot of CV/CVE here. All of this disappeared the next day.

Just a bit?

What makes you think it is just the mini-kb? Interpreting these search results seems like a black science to me.

It is a bit of voodoo, this search/recon interpretation.

I only have this feeling because it wasn't too long ago that Truant torpedoed Kaga off the coast of Sumatra, and after that I got a whiff of some big stuff over there again with the Mutsu message and meeting. I think he has to worry more about a landing on Ceylon than in the Marshalls, especially since he doesn't know where the bulk of my CVs are hiding.

There have been some BBs in the area, and this Mini-KB has been somewhat consistent in it's rollover readings when it's in range. Always between 40-55 fighters and 30-45 bombers. That seems like three CVL/CVE to me. If I can get 5 CVE into play with Wasp, I might be able to handle that one. Not that I'm going to seek anything out, but I do want to see what he's going to do here.

In about 5-7 days I'd like to start seeing if I can move forward again, but I'll get all of the subs off of transport duty and start making it really hard not to run into them out here in the big open ocean.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/4/2014 9:32:02 AM

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It seems to me that you've accomplished quite a bit in the Pacific without the need to risk invaluable assets - so there wouldn't be a point in engaging him on anything like unfavorable or even equal terms at this point....if you can get him to keep jetting around the world, burning fuel while you disappear back into the shadows, its a net-win for you.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/4/2014 11:50:52 AM

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It seems to me that you've accomplished quite a bit in the Pacific without the need to risk invaluable assets - so there wouldn't be a point in engaging him on anything like unfavorable or even equal terms at this point....if you can get him to keep jetting around the world, burning fuel while you disappear back into the shadows, its a net-win for you.

I agree. The biggest goal should be now to move onto New Guinea from the islands that I've got nearby and continue up the island chains I've got footholds on already. Once established there it's not as necessary to even have air cover from the fleet.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/5/2014 7:14:09 PM

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Nov 26 - 28, 1942

INDIA: After a period of healing and consolidation I've decided to move again in India. The goal this time will be to take the remainder of the Southern tip and to quickly build these bases to support a later invasion of Ceylon. I'll asses the possibility of taking Madras back as well, but that will depend on whether Nick has built massive forts there and wants to try to hold using them. I'll have to get a good read on the place soon. I don't trust the recon I'm getting now which shows only about 17k troops there.

CENT PAC: I'll hit Nauru for a while and see how much it can be softened up. P-38s will sweep nearly every turn. The IJN fleet has moved back the the shadows, which in this case is more than 19 hexes from Ocean Island's PBY group.

SO PAC: Rossel Island gets some more engineers and base forces and should build a port and a field within the next week. I unfortunately didn't LR CAP two xAKL dropping supply at Debone, and 9 Netties boldly flew in and sunk them.

CHINA: Nick has brought in lots of Oscars and one Tojo IIb group to China, and these effectively close off opportunities for LR CAP over troops. The troops at Kweiyang get pummeled for a few days and then the first DA comes in at a 1:1 with a huge amount of tanks attacking here. It also knocks a fort off immediately, which is very different than the situation that developed at Chikhiang, and this looks like it'll be untenable now. I'll have to wait and look for an opportunity to move these units back soon. Giving up more ground way too quickly.

OZ: Troops are about a third of the way to Kalgoorlie.

SIGINT: Doesn't this show up at Wake? Is it moving out?

17/Wake Coastal Gun Battalion is loaded on xAK Terushima Maru moving to Wake Island.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Deboyne Islands at 103,135

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAKL Noora, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Oorama, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 2, 42
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Morning Air attack on Kweiyang , at 74,49

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 27

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-66 Vanguard: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet

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Ground combat at Kweiyang (74,49)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27194 troops, 471 guns, 2146 vehicles, Assault Value = 1406

Defending force 47946 troops, 239 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1294

Japanese adjusted assault: 833

Allied adjusted defense: 685

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
646 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 32 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 83 (5 destroyed, 78 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1814 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 218 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 15 (2 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Assaulting units:
12th Tank Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
1st Tank Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
2nd Tank Division
15th Tank Regiment
17th Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Mortar Battalion
11th Army
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
30th Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
35th Chinese Corps
78th Chinese Corps
Central Reserve

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These are the bases I'll shoot for next. All unoccupied, but quite close to a lot of big airfields and in clear hexes.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/5/2014 9:37:10 PM

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The Long Walk

Still a ways to go!!

Not much showing over at Esperance, and Kalgoorlie is still pretty barren with one unit and a few recon planes.

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Nov 29 - Dec 1, 1942

INDIA: In India the next phase of action began with para-drops on the vacant Cocanada and Viz. These bases offer opportunities for much better area search for PBY groups, but are vulnerable to bombardments. Sub laid mines are en route already and PT boats will take up here once the bases can afford them and there are some available. In the next few days more paras will take the remaining four empty bases near the tip of India. Engineers, base forces and AA are railing in.

CENT PAC: A few small hits no Nauru by B-17s get some damage on the base. Some more naval bombardments will go in soon. He likes to pop in fighters here, and we've got the P-38s sweeping from Abemama.

CHINA: The Japanese come right back with another big attack at Kweiyang on the 29th and come coder to getting a 2:1. They again knock out 200+ Chinese infantry disabled while taking minimal losses. The only hope here is that the supply would flow only intermittently, and this seems to be the case as there were no attacks on the 30th or the 1st! So our troops began moving out and should make it without further difficulties on the 2nd. They'll be overstacked in two different hexes, but only for 1-2 turns as forces reconfigure. Now the difficult stage.

Can we keep them away from Chungking for long enough?

SIGINT: This unit has been reported to load up and leave Perth. Is it back? Or did some elements get left behind?

12/Imperial Guards Division is located at Perth(49,147).

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Ground combat at Kweiyang (74,49)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 26598 troops, 471 guns, 2142 vehicles, Assault Value = 1321

Defending force 42769 troops, 237 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1072

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 334

Allied adjusted defense: 261

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
455 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 30 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 77 (5 destroyed, 72 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2584 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 214 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled

Assaulting units:
17th Tank Regiment
1st Tank Division
13th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
19th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Mortar Battalion
11th Army
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
30th Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
35th Chinese Corps
78th Chinese Corps

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 30, 42
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Morning Air attack on Nauru Island , at 127,128

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nauru Island , at 127,128

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 9

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 1, 42
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Ground combat at Vizagapatnam (42,37)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 58 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 7

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Vizagapatnam !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
77th LRP Bde /1

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Ground combat at Cocanada (41,37)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 58 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 7

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Cocanada !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
111th LRP Bde /1

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What does plus 8, -8 mean in the air losses screen?

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I think it means you sent planes back to the pools. More than you lost.

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Have you upgraded all your American infantry units to the 42 squads that came on in July? I am just starting the process. Even with decent experience it is amazing how tough it is for Allied units in 1942 to fight Japanese units on a 1-1 basis. I can now see how Japanese tanks are so fierce in 42 because Allied squads have such pitiful AT values. The American squads get 25% more firepower in mid 42 (garand rifle, I suppose) and their AT value goes from 15 to 35 (first bazookas). However all Commonwealth squads remain very weak until 1943, when their anti tank values go from 5 to around 75. (God bless the piat). 1943 really sees the scales turn. It can't come fast enough for me...

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/6/2014 3:34:18 PM

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Whatever happens I must say I loved this campaign in China. Seeing a real campaign, tough, painful for both players, costly for the japanese, etc. is really a nice thing to see. Kudos on your resistance so far.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/6/2014 3:37:00 PM

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I think it means you sent planes back to the pools. More than you lost.

Right - the +8 is the balance in the inventory after the returned aircraft arrive, and the -8 is under the "Used so far" column, the negative value being the opposite of being used ; i.e. returned.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 11/6/2014 5:00:05 PM

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I think it means you sent planes back to the pools. More than you lost.

Right - the +8 is the balance in the inventory after the returned aircraft arrive, and the -8 is under the "Used so far" column, the negative value being the opposite of being used ; i.e. returned.

I'm not so sure. It's in the "air to air losses" section.

...maybe you had 8 defectors?

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