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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/29/2014 11:48:15 AM

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Yeah, the northernmost point he's reached is Darjeeling, out in the east.

I've been getting plenty of RAF/USAAF arrivals, but no fighting troops.

I haven't really posted, since things have been static for awhile. I did get kicked back to Neikein, east of Chungking. Reinforcements are s-l-o-w-l-y making their way up from the southeast. When they arrive, I may be able to force him out of Chengtu and Kienko. I'll probably have to purge the leadership first.

With my withdrawing extra units, I have a semi-credible Chinese bomber force in Chungking right now. They've been dealing out a good amount of pain to the Japanese for the last few weeks. Three fighter squadrons there have also upgraded. One to Curtiss Hawks left over from the AVG. Another to P-43s. My memory is failing me on the last -- possibly P-66s. It's taking all three awhile to un-crate all the planes and get them ready. I'm not ready to send them against the Tojo sweeps down south, but they will help with covering my bombers when I start to hit someplace more painful. My more experienced squadrons got the goodies.

Atlanta is in Wellington, but is upgrading. Out for a week to 10 days.

KB is still sitting off of Port Moresby, hugging the coast. They haven't messed with the ground war there -- most likely guarding against any ill-advised carrier op there.

Supplies are down to about 500. I've been putting 100+ casualties a turn on him, on average. That may start going down with the supply situation. IJN APDs have been showing, but I haven't seen any more troops, unless it's fragments of what's there. Possibly supply runs, which means he isn't in good shape either. We're pretty even in raw APs.

USMC artillery and other goodies have been showing on the East Coast. More Seabees, too -- restricted, of course.

The USA 32nd Division should be at Fiji within a week or so. If he lands at Nadi, it will be painful. I have more supply and fuel convoys enroute. I want fuel and supplies over 200k. I haven't looked at the max there, so I hope I don't have excessive spoilage. The port's fairly big at this point.

I've moved extra Australian infantry to Geraldton and Albany, to resist any indirect invasion of Perth. My division from the Katherine expedition is at Normanton, in rest mode. Americal is reassembled at Perth, and the rest at Townsville, Brisbane and Sydney. Lots and lots of planes at Townsville and Brisbane. Weaker Oz stuff at Sydney.

I've also got another regiment at Dutch Harbor. I probably have enough troops to entertain a move at Adak at some point, and some of them are prepping for there. We'll see. My bombers up there are set to hit the troops at Adak, since airfield and port raids have accomplished little.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/29/2014 9:21:45 PM

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He finally had a go at Wuchang, after my disastrous attack on him there. He had the "advantage" odds-wise, but took the bigger hit.

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Ground combat at Wuchang (84,51)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 53876 troops, 423 guns, 102 vehicles, Assault Value = 1632

Defending force 124092 troops, 647 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1578

Japanese adjusted assault: 1665

Allied adjusted defense: 607

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3446 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 193 disabled
Non Combat: 38 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 28 destroyed, 23 disabled
Guns lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (6 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
1882 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 74 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 12 (2 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Assaulting units:
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
17th Division
3rd Division
58th Division
22nd Division
12th RGC Temp. Division
18th RGC Temp. Division
13th Army

Defending units:
73rd Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
44th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
87th Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps
22nd Artillery Regiment
18th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment

He managed to sneak a unit behind my guys to the west, and now I can't even move my troops out of there. Changsha has almost no combat power there and the surrounding bases each have a corps for garrison purposes. I managed to get myself in a fine mess here. Maybe he'll "win" and drive me to the west.

My 1300 AP mob is passing Chungking to the north. This should deliver the mail to him up there.

I went to ground attack at Adak. Got some results there.

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Morning Air attack on 83rd Naval Guard Unit, at 162,52 (Adak Island)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-29 Hudson x 6
B-18A Bolo x 16
LB-30 Liberator x 6
B-26 Marauder x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
149 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/29/2014 9:28:48 PM

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Why are you attacking Wuchang? Chinese can't take well defended cities. Even defeating Japanese units in open terrain is difficult enough with the Chinese. And at a time when Chungking is severely threatened.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/30/2014 2:56:53 PM

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Why are you attacking Wuchang? Chinese can't take well defended cities. Even defeating Japanese units in open terrain is difficult enough with the Chinese. And at a time when Chungking is severely threatened.

One look at the map and the answer is obvious. The troops in Wuchang are in no position to have any impact on the battle raging on the plains.

While the Chinese certainly can't hope to conquer a heavily defended city with a strong garrison, they certainly can attrite the enemy when an opportunity presents itself such as on the heels of an abortive attack by the enemy that leaves him with a high level of disabled devices.

The results of the attack would seem to suopport the argument that the attack was worthwhile.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/30/2014 3:33:24 PM

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What can I say...? Land combat is my blind spot. I tend to give a try once in a while to see if he's weakened things. The raw AP numbers had tempted me, as I was about 2-1 there.

I'm learning not to.

I'm decent handling my air power. I can usually run a good sub campaign. I also can sneak in an effective surface intercept at times. Ground war is difficult for me to judge. At best you get a total number of units and personnel count, and it's difficult to convert that intel into a real situation report in order to compare forces. Maybe a probe attack with a single weak unit is the only way to really tell what's there. I did laugh seeing he lost a unit from his attack.

I am hoping to club him good near Chungking, as I don't think he has the quantity there. Recently he had a stray between Tuyun and Liuchow which snuck in somehow. I did beat them handily with a single corps and drove him west into the forest. I'm guessing their supply situation was not up to snuff.

I'm content to keep Canton under siege. I'm not sure if that has any effect on any industry there.

Lack of any recon ability really hurts here. I'm dealing with little suicide units which pop up as well as stealth incursions in the north. I'm suspecting something similar in India with my supplies not distributing to my eastern bases. I've noticed a big pile-up of fuel in Karachi and Bombay. Bombay has something like 400k there. I've checked to make sure all industry is "on". I have moved units by rail to the east, so they seem clear. My recon units have been watching his bases, but I may have to do an internal sweep of my territory.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/30/2014 5:51:25 PM

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What can I say...? Land combat is my blind spot. I tend to give a try once in a while to see if he's weakened things. The raw AP numbers had tempted me, as I was about 2-1 there.

Understandable but as many others will tell you raw AV is only part of the story and especially so with China. The Chinese infantry squads have very low soft attack and the units themselves have little artillery to aid in this regard. I'd like to think of myself as an adept Chinese player and even I struggle making any progress offensively with them. Even when I can get 4 to 1 AV advantages in 2x terrain it is not enough; I don't think I have ever forced full Japanese division to retreat except in 1x terrain. I think with China especially you first have to master the defensive aspects before you can start thinking of the offensive aspects aside from the occasional Japanese unit that strays too far from his friends.

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I did laugh seeing he lost a unit from his attack.

I think the Japanese committed some or all of those smaller units in the battle which have bad tendency of getting wrecked in combat. I'd be willing to bet most of the destroyed squads were not in the actual divisions. Works the same way with the Allies which is why I usually don't attack infantry in groups smaller than a regiment in large land battles.

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I am hoping to club him good near Chungking, as I don't think he has the quantity there. Recently he had a stray between Tuyun and Liuchow which snuck in somehow. I did beat them handily with a single corps and drove him west into the forest. I'm guessing their supply situation was not up to snuff.

Those are the types of offensive battles the Chinese can definitely win; nicely done. Let the Japanese come to you then pick them apart when they get too ambitious.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 10/30/2014 7:53:32 PM

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Some timely improvements on the ground war:

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Ground combat at 84,48 (near Ichang)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 62580 troops, 288 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2022

Defending force 6070 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 236

Allied adjusted assault: 452

Japanese adjusted defense: 89

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2211 casualties reported
Squads: 74 destroyed, 115 disabled
Non Combat: 47 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
1446 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 234 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
67th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
26th Group Army

Defending units:
11th RGC Temp. Division
13th RGC Temp. Division

I'll be chasing them all the way back to Hankow.

The daily grind at Port Moresby:

quote:

Ground combat at Port Moresby (98,130)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14906 troops, 149 guns, 74 vehicles, Assault Value = 424

Defending force 11296 troops, 135 guns, 55 vehicles, Assault Value = 405

Japanese ground losses:
308 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th KNIL Regiment
Prajoda Garrison Battalion
NG Vol Rifles Battalion
Barisan KNIL Regiment
Torres Strait Battalion
49th Australian Battalion
8th Australian Division
Papuan Inf Battalion
13th Field Regiment
6th RAN Base Force
3rd RAAF Base Force
9th Avn Sup Afd
ABDA
15th RAN Base Force
Rabaul Base Force
4th Australian Lt AA Regiment

Defending units:
48th/B Division
48th/A Division
48th/C Division
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion

Lexington and Hornet have both converted over to TBFs now. KB is still hugging the New Guinea coast. I sent my B-17Ds at Townsville to hit the troops there, but it looks like KB is CAPping PM. No effect and some losses. I've flipped over one Fortress squadron to B-26s. The other will eat up what's put in the pool.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/2/2014 2:55:56 PM

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Things are pro(re)gressing as usual.

I've been beating up some IJA troops NW of Hankow:

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Ground combat at 84,49 (near Hankow)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 61075 troops, 276 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1859

Defending force 4174 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 97

Allied adjusted assault: 452

Japanese adjusted defense: 6

Allied assault odds: 75 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
3193 casualties reported
Squads: 190 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 60 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 20 (14 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
319 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 57 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
59th Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
26th Group Army

Defending units:
11th RGC Temp. Division
13th RGC Temp. Division

There's still one unit sitting there, so all but three of my corps will attack, with the rest in reserve. I may pile the mob into Hankow. If it's held lightly, maybe I can take it, complicating the Wuchang situation nicely.

Elsewhere, I did catch CF napping at Luganville.

quote:

Morning Air attack on Luganville , at 120,150

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
H6K4 Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 28

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Morning Air attack on Luganville , at 120,150

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 5
B-17E Fortress x 18
LB-30 Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 22

Intel screen sez that 7 Zekes and 7 Betties died, along with one Mavis. I'll hit them one more turn before training again.

I'm getting a few sub encounters each day near Port Moresby. It's always a shot against his destroyers. I'm not sure if there's a sweet spot, aggression-wise, which can temper this a bit. I'm hoping I can get lucky one of these turns and plant a fish into something that matters.

A bunch of various troops are leaving San Francisco for Pearl, mostly destined for the Marshalls campaign. They started prepping before they even left the states.

Intel Monkey says that the 20th Engineer Regiment is prepping for Suva. The USA 32nd Division is mostly at Nadi now. Their guns and some mech support are a day away. Everything's off the ships. A big load of fuel is a day out and will replace the transport TF there. If he thinks he can backdoor his way to Suva through Nadi, it won't come easy. I have ships enroute with stuff for New Zealand, so that can be prepped also. I'm pretty sure nothing will happen as long as KB remains lurking off of Port Moresby. When they decide to vanish, is when I'll have to start wondering.

The war in India is not going well. He's in Patna now and already outnumbers me greatly. My aircraft there have transferred to the two bases 4 hexes NW. I tried to do to much with what I had and my Chinese Corps and USA 27th are shells of their former selves -- mostly due to relentless air attack. I'm going to try to get them skirted around Patna to the north to a relatively "rear" area. Diampur is becoming an island in his territory. I'll try to get some quality air concentrations ringing his holdings there.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/2/2014 4:05:45 PM

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I see you got a "Supply - " result in your combat NW of Hankow. Combat uses a lot of supply, and with the Chinese units that comes from their unit allocation.

If it ever gets down close to zero their AV will be adjusted to near zero during the combat phase. I suggest you check unit supply levels before trying to hit anything that might hit back the turn after.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/2/2014 6:50:56 PM

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To be fair, they had the same this turn on the next attack. I'm not really rolling in them anywhere in China anyway.

The CAF shows it can deal out the punishment, given the chance.

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Morning Air attack on 63rd Division, at 76,42 , near Chengtu

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
DB-3M x 3
H81-A3 x 7
P-43A-1 Lancer x 11
SB-III x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
133 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

I've got something like 1200 APs of troops about two days away from this site.

Nautilus is continuing with her remarkable career, bagging an xAK a few days ago. She missed a tanker today.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/2/2014 10:08:20 PM

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Glorious First of June '42

A squadron of USAAF B-25s has repaired up at Karachi. I've sent them to Delhi, where they just have the range to hit Patna. I received a 2-1 attack last turn, so they will probably fall soon.

I converted the P-36 unit there to P-400, since that pool was fairly full. I'm trying to piece the airpower there into concentrated groups.

I've only noticed this little ship for the first time. It should make a handy runner of goodies. I had them gathered up at Pearl.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/3/2014 1:31:48 AM

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I think you're doing well in getting Suva prepared for a possible attack. If Japan were to attack it I think it would be probably fail at this point. I think Japan is having issues with Port Moresby done cleanly and quickly and is delaying other OPs until it falls. CF seems very conservative in this regard.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/3/2014 11:58:36 AM

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I agree. I don't think he brought enough to the table. My problem is that I'm out of supply there, but I'm guessing he's in the same boat. Two armies watching each other starve. I'm dealing with Betty raids on a daily basis, hitting the airfield.

Unmolested, PM would have been a major thriving base by now. CF was very aggressive killing the air that I had there. His CAP over Moresby did bag a C-47 the previous day. I only have one C-47 squadron running supplies in. His ships have been sitting about 2 hexes off the coast. I'm hoping a sub gets a lucky shot in one of these days.

I have two USMC defense battalions with the 32nd at Nadi, plus more artillery and flak. A tank battalion is there, too. It's probably slightly stronger than Suva itself, though Suva is quite a bit heavier in big guns. Supplies will probably last years at this point.

The nice thing about having Suva/Nadi beefed up is that now I can concentrate on New Zealand. Two big shiploads of troops/planes are about halfway across. I'll need to stock them with supplies, as well. I think Australia is pretty much okay as is right now. The major bases are pretty stocked with troops and aircraft. Americal's helping out watching Perth. Geraldton and Albany even have some token resistance present. One Australian division is sitting at Normanton, also. PBYs there have the waters everywhere there covered. Not much in and out of Darwin, from what I can tell. If he lands somewhere, the rail net will help me respond.

I don't know if Cannonfodder's the type to game the intel situation with false leads. So far, Townsville, Brisbane, Perth, Suva and Auckland have showed up on the intel reports. I'm guessing it may be quite a wait before the next campaign, with his ships preoccupied with Port Moresby. I'm tempted to send my carriers back to Pearl and grab the Marshalls. Wasp is due in Panama in 11 days, along with North Carolina, another Atlanta and more destroyers.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/4/2014 2:53:47 AM

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I'm tempted to send my carriers back to Pearl and grab the Marshalls.

Even if you could do it now, I would advise against it due to the lack of being able to threaten the Japanese from multiple strategic axes. You have a decent shot at taking some bases initially but without any other distractions it will be very difficult to hold them in the long term if you cannot defeat the KB. On the other hand, if you wait until you have another strategic option for attack, you will force the Japanese to split their efforts over two areas. Even if the Japanese manage to push you back or contain you in one attack, it is likely the other attack will succeed given limited Japanese resources. Also there is the issue of using CVs to cover a landing force (as opposed to CVEs) which is always a huge risk as your opponent knows exactly where your CVs will be. Waiting until you have CVEs in the CentPac is highly advised as a result.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/4/2014 11:55:35 AM

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I think I'm mostly dreaming out loud. Either way, I'm stuck on that for the time being, as a few of the units prepping need to be bought out on the West Coast. Yesterday was upgrade day the world over, and plenty of my assault transports are in the yards since then. Four BBs at Pearl are also upgrading. I am including Eniwetok in the plans, since that spot can hold a decent number of troops for the next stage. I may wind up waiting until I get the 5"/38 upgrades for a good chunk of the old ships. (starting Oct or Nov, I think). Any extra anti-air will be helpful.

Things will look a bit better when Wasp shows up with her BB-55 bomb magnet buddy.

KB's gotta be running up they sys points by now, being at sea this long. I've always wondered if that affects ops in any way. I've always been fussy about keeping my ships "clean", so I've never really pushed it. They've still been sitting two hexes off PM, sharing the hex with about three other task forces. Even if I went nuts and went at them right now, all the chaff would dilute the raid. Since my one old game, I've been conscious of that.

The RN in India lost three DDs due to withdrawals. All named with a "P". One of my carriers isn't filling out its squadron of Martlets, despite having 20+ in the pool. That's about all what's holding me back from another shot at Colombo right now. I still can't figure out the supply situation in India. The Heavy industry seems to be on strike. I have something like 1.1 million in fuel between Bombay and Karachi. Transport lines seem open, as I've been railing troops around the subcontinent. I've been maxing out the supply requests on bases everywhere.

I've also noticed a VMSB squadron is due to arrive on Lexington in a few days. Seems like an odd addition out of the blue.

I'm taking a shot at Hankow next turn. In pure AVs, I've got about 2.5-1 on him. The entire leadership in that hex has been liquidated. (I can make Uncle Joe look patient and understanding by comparison...) If I fail, I'll just have another big stalemate next to Wuchang. I'm also built up for a showdown in the hex south of Chengtu. He has a lot there, so I may not be able to attack. My bombers have been hitting them a bit lately. I'm "reconning by bombardment" right now.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/4/2014 2:39:08 PM

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Your last game screen says you are at June 1, 1942 which means the plethora of Indian units will not have finished filling out yet. Even if you have set them to "no replacements", if there is enough supply at the base the units will start to fill out and eat away the supply you thought should accumulate. I think upgrades also eat up supply.

About the system damage on Carriers - I don't know if it affects air ops - it could reduce the speed of turnaround for planes just landing I suppose.
I'm pretty sure that on ships in surface battles it affects damage control, rate of gun fire and accuracy. I think AA performance is similarly degraded.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/4/2014 2:57:34 PM

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Maybe that's part of it. I pretty much open the upgrade valves all the way. I think I'll get some mega convoys from Cape Town up and running. I can back off the constant fuel shipments for now. I should have thought of that a long time ago.

Always a step behind...

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/4/2014 4:59:11 PM

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I'm taking a shot at Hankow next turn. In pure AVs, I've got about 2.5-1 on him. The entire leadership in that hex has been liquidated. (I can make Uncle Joe look patient and understanding by comparison...) If I fail, I'll just have another big stalemate next to Wuchang. I'm also built up for a showdown in the hex south of Chengtu. He has a lot there, so I may not be able to attack. My bombers have been hitting them a bit lately. I'm "reconning by bombardment" right now.

Well again let's not forget that Hankow is HEAVY urban terrain which is a 4x multiplier and it probably has level 3 forts. With Chinese units you probably need 10-1 AV in this hex for 5 straight days to win this battle. If you really have stopped him at Chengtu then perhaps the units committed to these extremely ambitious offensives will have time to pull back and reinforce Chungking and its surrounding areas before the Japanese can cut it off.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/4/2014 5:13:06 PM

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If I can stalemate him at Chengtu, I'll be happy at this point. The Chinese breeding pits are still generating cannon fodder (no pun intended) at Chungking. He has a lot of units there, but I don't know what yet. I'll know by next turn. I still need to sack all those generals yet.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/4/2014 7:50:03 PM

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Patna falls. I'll try to get my guys back to Benares. The Chinese corps and the USA 27th are now trapped near Darjeeling. It doesn't bode well for their survival.

My attack at Hankow went nowhere, as expected. I'm strong enough to stonewall things there. There's one lone IJA unit behind me west of Wuchang. I'm pulling troops to take care of them. All the troops in Wuchang itself are trapped there, unable to leave.

If I took my sighting report seriously, there are 12 fleet carriers and three light carriers off of Port Moresby. My subs keep probing the escorts, but little more.

I've flipped another CV over to TBFs, filling half the squadron.

Quincy arrived in Panama. She'll wait for Wasp and join that group

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/6/2014 6:51:15 PM

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05 June 1942,

Can't let myself scroll off the page, can I?

Another pesky sub west of Karachi. He must be sending his low-ball sub commanders there, since they rarely hit anything.

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Submarine attack near Karachi at 38,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-171

Allied Ships
xAK Empire Tugela

xAK Empire Tugela is sighted by SS I-171
SS I-171 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Empire Tugela

I have one off of Palembang. As usual, dud torpedoes. This is why I don't like keeping them in shallow water. I forgot to check the damage state. I'll probably be pulling her out next turn.

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Sub attack near Singkep at 50,88

Japanese Ships
TK Eiyo Maru
PB Sozan Maru

Allied Ships
SS Permit, hits 2

He's finally got troops worked up to Paoshan. Fortunately my corps got there in the nick of time. I don't see him getting any further, unless supply becomes a serious issue.

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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16331 troops, 186 guns, 54 vehicles, Assault Value = 468

Defending force 13969 troops, 50 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 311

Japanese adjusted assault: 874

Allied adjusted defense: 394

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
324 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
163 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled

Assaulting units:
5th Guards Division
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Army

Defending units:
54th Chinese Corps
NCAC
33rd Base Group

He finally summoned up the will to go at Moresby again... for little effect.

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Ground combat at Port Moresby (98,130)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12013 troops, 134 guns, 58 vehicles, Assault Value = 501

Defending force 18987 troops, 183 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 339

Japanese adjusted assault: 313

Allied adjusted defense: 363

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
743 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled

Allied ground losses:
199 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
48th Division
23rd Nav Gd Unit
14th Army
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion

Defending units:
Prajoda Garrison Battalion
4th KNIL Regiment
NG Vol Rifles Battalion
Barisan KNIL Regiment
8th Australian Division
Papuan Inf Battalion
Rabaul Base Force
13th Field Regiment
15th RAN Base Force
ABDA
3rd RAAF Base Force
9th Avn Sup Afd
6th RAN Base Force
Torres Strait Battalion
49th Australian Battalion
4th Australian Lt AA Regiment

My bomber unit at Kodiak (can't remember if they were B-18s or Hudsons) upgraded to B-17s. Once they're up and running, I'll move them to Umnak (level 6 with plenty of support) and start harassing his bases.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/6/2014 7:24:14 PM

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Invested cities produce nothing for the owner.

Even if it isn't possible to take it all the Chinese have to do is move in more than he can move force back out and all production of goods from the city dry up.

Hankow should definitely be on your target list.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/6/2014 7:45:30 PM

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Hankow should definitely be on your target list.

With the 4x terrain it's not a bad place to park some Chinese corps and force the Japanese to attack and push you back if they want to restart production. But I'm still of the belief that in this current situation that unless drastic measures are taken right now that Chungking will fall. Is temporarily halting of production in Hankow and Wuchang more important than holding Chungking? I understand the choice is not as simple as one vs. the other but it's important to evaluate strategic priorities and allocate troops consistent with those priorities.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/6/2014 8:04:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Invested cities produce nothing for the owner.

Even if it isn't possible to take it all the Chinese have to do is move in more than he can move force back out and all production of goods from the city dry up.

Hankow should definitely be on your target list.

I suspected that but wasn't 100% sure. I know it's been talked about before.

Any little bit...

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/6/2014 8:50:58 PM

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06 June 1942.

More of the same.

I notice CF's using Kates and Vals for ASW now. The subs must be getting to him.

I wonder...

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/6/2014 11:27:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Hankow should definitely be on your target list.

With the 4x terrain it's not a bad place to park some Chinese corps and force the Japanese to attack and push you back if they want to restart production. But I'm still of the belief that in this current situation that unless drastic measures are taken right now that Chungking will fall. Is temporarily halting of production in Hankow and Wuchang more important than holding Chungking? I understand the choice is not as simple as one vs. the other but it's important to evaluate strategic priorities and allocate troops consistent with those priorities.

I thought it was resource/oil production that ceased, but that industry continued if there were stockpiles to feed it?

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/6/2014 11:41:26 PM

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I thought it was resource/oil production that ceased, but that industry continued if there were stockpiles to feed it?

On second thought I think you're right and a check to the manual seems to confirm this. I don't think resources are really a concern for Japan so the only successful way to use this strategy is against oil centers.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/7/2014 11:01:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Hankow should definitely be on your target list.

With the 4x terrain it's not a bad place to park some Chinese corps and force the Japanese to attack and push you back if they want to restart production. But I'm still of the belief that in this current situation that unless drastic measures are taken right now that Chungking will fall. Is temporarily halting of production in Hankow and Wuchang more important than holding Chungking? I understand the choice is not as simple as one vs. the other but it's important to evaluate strategic priorities and allocate troops consistent with those priorities.

Agreed. I'm not disagreeing with you on some of these points simply to disagree. My advice has been more of a tactical and operational level addressing specific operations and their merits. I haven't been endeavoring to provide strategic advice as you are doing.

Yes, he would be better off in the battle for the plains if the force concentration at Wuchang was there. But since they are where they are and unlikely to be able to move to the plains in time to have an impact there my advice to him has been about maximizing their use where they are committed.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/7/2014 7:58:15 PM

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The worm turns...

I had this little incident two hexes from Perth, underneath the noses of my constant air search...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Busselton at 48,148, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CL Nagara
CL Abukuma
DD Kagero
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio
DD Hayashio

Allied Ships
TK Peik, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
TK Athelduke, Shell hits 35, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Clan Mactavish, Shell hits 11, heavy fires
xAK Elysia, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Adrastus, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Anglo Canadian, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
xAK Autolycus
xAK Birchbank
xAK City of Canterbury, Shell hits 1
xAK City of Exeter, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
xAK Clan Macbean, Shell hits 1
xAK Clan Macbrayne, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Clan Macilwraith, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Clan Macinness, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Clan Mactaggart, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Clan Macwhirter

Reduced visibility due to Rain with 50% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 50% moonlight: 6,000 yards

Against my better judgment, I'm tasking LEX and YORK for a visit to the area. At least I can reassure the citizens there that this will never, ever, happen again. Yeah, right...

Comparing distances, it's still shorter than NZ to Pearl, so that's all what's swaying me. I don't see KB making any other move for awhile, since they're still two hexes off of Port Moresby. Wasp is five days out, so I'll have a fourth carrier at Wellington before too long. I'll think about maybe nailing the oil fields at Palembang, if nothing else comes up.

His sub west of Karachi finally scored a hit on an xAK. She wasn't sunk outright, so she's headed to Masirah to hole up and get fixed enough to make it to a proper port.

I've been thinking more about Chungking proper, with the battle to the north. I should have three more corps there within the next 10 or so days, so I'll have a halfway decent presence there. I have some troops about to reach the road a few hexes east of Chengtu, so I may be able to shut off the supplies going west. We'll see if this starts a panic.

My Suva heavies are off on another raid. I've set them to hit the light industry at Noumea, mostly out of spite. If I can make the supply situation there a little more harder, so much the better.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 11/8/2014 12:36:39 AM

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Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk!

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Sub attack near Port Moresby at 96,131

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Katsutade

Allied Ships
SS S-18

Ammo storage explosion on CVL Ryujo
SS S-18 launches 4 torpedoes at CVL Ryujo
DD Katsutade fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Katsutade fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Katsutade fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Katsutade attacking submerged sub ....
DD Katsutade fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

I finally have a mean nasty jerk of a sub driver in action. Note the ammo explosion. Japanese damage control being what it is, I doubt she'll be making it back. It's a long way to go, and another two subs are sitting in the strait off Milne Bay. <sweating profusery...>

Pity it wasn't Akagi...

My bombing raid on Noumea didn't go well. I lost a few bombers. He has a full hive of Nicks there now.

The Monkey lists the 78th Infantry Regiment as prepping for Suva. A month ago, they were tagged as being in Fusan. They really must be thinking ahead. I may assign another sub to patrol there.

My little CV TF seems to have passed a sub west of Wellington. I'm ramping up the ASW patrols there. One day on the trip, and Atlanta and a DD already have 1 sys and 1 eng damage.

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