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BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/12/2014 5:07:19 PM   
blh42

 

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Status: offline 		Looks like the Mistral Class BPC Vladivostok will be delivered after all.

http://nomistralsforputin.com/drupal/?q=TrueInvitation

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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/12/2014 5:43:53 PM   
Triode

 

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Status: offline 		This is good, if true.
One step closer to cancel project " DDG "Leader" variant 4 " for Russian Navy

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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/12/2014 9:43:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		triode what will be leader class destroyer armamente and displacement?

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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/12/2014 11:19:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Styx3

triode what will be leader class destroyer armamente and displacement?


Well, under project "Leader" there is four variant of ship



Variant 1 (aka "Our Berk", aka "Destroer for Ministry of Finance")


7500/9000 tons, ~ 160 m length, CODAG,> 30 knots

Artillery: 1x1x130,

Air Defense : 2xCIWS(Naval Pantsir), 64xRedut cells

Missiles: 32xUKSK cells

2x4 Paket-NK torpedo tubes

hangar for 2 helicopters

Navy dont like this variant for some reasons


Variant 2 (aka "better than Tika",aka "minimum of we can agree")


9500/11500 tons ~ 190 meters in length, CODAG, ~ 30 knots

Artillery: 1x1x130

Air Defense: 4xCIWS(Naval Pantsir), 80xRedut cells

Missiles: 48xUKSK cells

2x4Paket-NK torpedo tubes

hangar for 2 helicopters

this is minimal configuration Russian Navy can agree to choose


Variant 3 (aka "What we want",aka "Worthy successor for 1144")


12500/14700 tons, about 200 meters long, CODAG or nuclear power unit, ~ 30 knots

artillery 2x2x152 or 2x1x130 or 1x1x130

Air Defense: 4xCIWS(Naval Pantsir), 80xRedut cells

Missiles: 64xUKSK cells

2x4 Paket-NK

hangar for 2 helicopters

This is what Russian navy want when talk about "Nuclear DDG"


Variant 4 (aka "successor of 1155")

13000/15200 tons ~ 210 meters in length, CODAG , ~ 30 knots

artillery 1x2x152 or 1x1x130

Air Defense: 4xCIWS(Naval Pantsir),48xRedut cells

Missiles 16xUKSK cells

2x4 Paket-NK

hangar for 5 helicopters

something similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirane-class_destroyer but bigger
this ship is forced by former captains of Project 1155. The basic idea:
take off from an aircraft carrier as much helicopters as possible to take more planes,transfer ASW duties to such ships as variant 4

On variants 1,2,3 "Poliment" (in variant 3K96-1, the difference from 3K96-2 is ability to fire "big"
SAM from UKSK, Navy want 40N6 from UKSK but NPO "Almaz-Antey" has enough hemorrhoids with the integration of the missile in the S-400 , and they do not want to double their problems.On the other hand OKB "Novator" vows to "as soon as possible to integrate 9M83M into UKSK".)

on variant 4 it is "Poliment" in variant 3K96-2


My reasons to not like variant 4 is simple, places on Russian shipyards are limited
so +1"variant 4" = -1 "variants 1,2 or 3" and I think Russian Navy need moar UKSK


Keep in mind that all this variants from early 2013 and can be changes

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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/13/2014 2:01:05 AM   
Vici Supreme

 

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ORIGINAL: Triode

Variant 3 (aka "What we want",aka "Worthy successor for 1144")


12500/14700 tons, about 200 meters long, CODAG or nuclear power unit, ~ 30 knots

artillery 2x2x152 or 2x1x130 or 1x1x130

Air Defense: 4xCIWS(Naval Pantsir), 80xRedut cells

Missiles: 64xUKSK cells

2x4 Paket-NK

hangar for 2 helicopters

This is what Russian navy want when talk about "Nuclear DDG"


Yep, that sounds like something that is supposed to replace the Kirov's.
Thanks for sharing this informations with us! Much appreciated!


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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/13/2014 2:33:22 PM   
Styx3

 

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Status: offline 		Thank you for your information. Russian vls systems can manage oniks or kalibr missiles?

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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/13/2014 3:59:35 PM   
Triode

 

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ORIGINAL: Styx3

Thank you for your information. Russian vls systems can manage oniks or kalibr missiles?


UKSK can fire both

http://concern-agat.ru/en/production/missile-systems-land-and-sea-based-missile-systems/3r-14uksk-kh-ship-general-purpose-firing-system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K7EX_ItvVE

Export UKSK:


UKSK can be:

Containerized version(Russian Navy use this ):


Containerless version( Indian Navy use this):


inclined on-deck launcher 3S-14PE

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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/13/2014 5:37:08 PM   
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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/25/2014 5:50:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Official: Delivery of First Russian Mistral class LHD Vladivostok postponed "until further notice"
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news.html

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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/26/2014 12:26:44 AM   
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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/26/2014 2:01:07 PM   
Styx3

 

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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/26/2014 3:29:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well he may be the worst president of france ever, but france is doing absolutely the right under the given circumstances.

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RE: BPC Vladivostok to be delivered Nov 14 - 11/26/2014 8:59:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Styx3

Hollande the worst president of france ever.


Worse than the presidents who ran the country in the lead-up to 1940?

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