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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/15/2014 6:48:50 AM   
harry_vdk

 

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ORIGINAL: The Plodder

I've been using a website called Typebrewer to select what fonts to use. This site is great for selecting fonts that go together for what ever theme you want (I'm using formal B). I'd recommend any mapmakers to check it out.


Thanks, its look very good.




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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/15/2014 10:45:04 AM   
Plodder


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Status: offline 		Nice work, I look forward to seeing the finished article.

Another update, I've finished labeling all the roads and I've also done the landmarks. I'm now going to label the military installations next. Before I did that, I decided to redo Gatow airfield and the RAF base as it looked pretty shabby compared to Tempelhof and Tegel.I'm much happier with it now. Screenie below, there's no labels as they are on a separate file. My TODO list is starting to look a lot better with just a few things left to clean up before I hit the values editor:

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TODO:

clean up trees around elevations
DONE - road join near wedding borough sign
DONE - clean tiergarten memorial
remove borough boundaries under river text
DONE - adjust B96 at top of map
DONE - add missing piece of B96a
DONE - Fix highway in Karl-Liebknecht-Straße
DONE - Add East German highways
DONE - find West Berlin Federal highways [1],[2],[5],[96],[101],[111](N/A),[179],[E],[R],[S],[Z]
Label autobahns and highways
move reinickerdorf locality label north a bit
move mitte locality
move tempelhof locality
DONE - add more of B R around saschendamm
DONE - road join at Teltower Weg in grunewald
DONE - redo Gatow Airport
DONE - realign Bundesallee
delete building in Volkspark Wilmersdorf.
remove forest from top of Drakenberg.
clean buildings up from falkener feld
fix highway join on spandauer damm and otto-suhr-allee







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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/16/2014 10:22:25 AM   
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Just playing.....take your time....map looking good

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/16/2014 10:44:57 AM   
Plodder


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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/16/2014 11:02:56 AM   
Tazak

 

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As always plodder very nice work, I appreciate the effort you have clearly put into this.

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/16/2014 11:08:43 AM   
Plodder


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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/17/2014 12:11:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Awesome.....that map deserves a campaign, not a measly scenario

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/17/2014 4:06:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Incredible work Plodder, seriously mate this map is a masterpiece, without a doubt the best map I have ever seen in gaming.

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/17/2014 7:38:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is unbelievable. Hats off to you Plodder. It's a work of art.

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/17/2014 3:45:14 PM   
Plodder


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the kind comments guys.This has been a real labour of love, I've also learnt a hell of a lot about Cold War Berlin.

Oh, and BTW, I'm finished. . I made some adjustments to the borough labels and I also added labels and badges for the main military bases. Just have to put it through the map values editor now..




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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/17/2014 4:02:24 PM   
Mad Russian


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The neighborhoods don't have street names, there isn't a single business name on here, no planes on the runways at the airport...and on and on...

Actually, am I missing the Soviet flag on the map or did you not put one on here?

All kidding aside this is closer to a work of art than anything else, lucky for us it is a functional map as well.



Thanks for all the time and dedication it took to create it.

Good Hunting.

MR

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/17/2014 8:27:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
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Actually, am I missing the Soviet flag on the map or did you not put one on here?

Good Hunting.

MR

Actually I am missing the Reichskanzlei.

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ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
All kidding aside this is closer to a work of art than anything else, lucky for us it is a functional map as well.

Thanks for all the time and dedication it took to create it.

Good Hunting.

MR

Yes great work!
Now we in need of a Scenario for this map.
And all kidding aside, what about a Berlin (May) 1945 map?

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/17/2014 10:12:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

Finished?? What do you mean you're finished???

The neighborhoods don't have street names, there isn't a single business name on here, no planes on the runways at the airport...and on and on...

Actually, am I missing the Soviet flag on the map or did you not put one on here?

All kidding aside this is closer to a work of art than anything else, lucky for us it is a functional map as well.



Thanks for all the time and dedication it took to create it.

Good Hunting.

MR

l forgot the planes! The reason there's no Soviet flag is there was no where to put it without text being overwritten or the area looking too cluttered so I decided against it.


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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/18/2014 12:38:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice Job.....now onto the scenario. What type of size are you looking at?

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/18/2014 12:50:01 AM   
Plodder


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Status: offline 		Big. Roughly Division+ size. It will be about the middle push of Operation Zentrum (The Centre of "Centre", if you like ). It pits the British Berlin Infantry Brigade with elements of the U.S. Berlin Brigade, Forces françaises à Berlin, and West Berlin Police BePo units against an East German Motorised Regiment, 2 Border Guards Regiments, the Soviet Berlin Brigade and other auxiliaries. Other East German units may enter the fray as the battle wears on.

This is the plan anyway, how it will play out depends on playtesting. I also have to build the data files first, which I've started doing.

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/23/2014 3:33:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		A Small update: I've been working on the US Berlin Brigade Infantry battalions' TOE which was highly unusual to say the least. The line companies were part mechanized, part leg and had a Weapons platoon that was also part mech and part wheeled with M125 mortar carriers, and M151s armed with M67s. The squads were very heavy in anti-tank assets with M67 recoiless rifles, AT4 rocket launchers and also a Dragon launcher in each platoon. It should be interesting unit to use in the urban environment. The pic below shows a line company:




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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 10/23/2014 3:50:28 PM   
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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/5/2014 3:57:03 AM   
Plodder


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Status: offline 		values map for Rob:

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/5/2014 11:37:47 AM   
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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/5/2014 7:15:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Plodder, that's really clever how you've placed some of the smaller lakes on hex boundaries and represent them as 1 (or 2) hex long streams. That's a great way of adding the smaller lakes to the map, and give the map more detail (and authenticity in this case).

William

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/5/2014 7:38:07 PM   
harry_vdk

 

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Status: offline 		Absolutely true, seeing the progress/evolution of this map was very instructive.

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/5/2014 10:02:24 PM   
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Plodder, that's really clever how you've placed some of the smaller lakes on hex boundaries and represent them as 1 (or 2) hex long streams. That's a great way of adding the smaller lakes to the map, and give the map more detail (and authenticity in this case).

William


The only problem with doing them this way was the hexside obstacle ID numbers. Early on in the piece, I realised that they might be a problem so I printed a screenshot of the map and worked out the numbers by hand. I actually had to leave some out in the end, the lake in the Tiergarten for example, as getting the ID numbers to work proved impossible when they were there.

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/9/2014 3:11:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've just finished adding the 42nd Engineer Co. to the OOB. I've had to add a few new units to the game for these guys to play with.
I've added the M128 GEMSS FASCAM dispenser, which I've mentioned in another thread, the M728 CEV which, with the M135 165mm gun,packs a wallop.Also the 5 ton dump truck and M88 recovery vehicle.
With the Engineer platoons, I've added satchel charges, roughly two per man so they're pretty much assault pioneers in this game.

I've just to add the MP company and Brigade HQ, then it's on to the British.




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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/9/2014 3:58:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interestingly enough, in 4 years of service as a Combat Engineer, I never one time saw a satchel charge.

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/9/2014 10:51:30 PM   
Plodder


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Status: offline 		Probably another example of doctrine not meeting reality.  I got the info from FM 5-100 circa 1996. Did you do many urban exercises?

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/10/2014 5:09:59 PM   
Mad Russian


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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/18/2014 6:30:25 AM   
Plodder


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Status: offline 		Finished for real this time.(Hopefully!) Map is now available here: http://www.ontargetsimulations.com/OTS/RedStorm/MapsNew/Plodder West Berlin 1989 Map.zip

Overview:


Full size snippet:




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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/18/2014 4:30:33 PM   
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I was wondering, Plodder, is there a scenario included with this too, or is that coming in a later update?

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/18/2014 5:21:08 PM   
Plodder


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Status: offline 		Not yet. I'm currently working on the custom data file which is a combination of the American and British with scratch built French forces and West Berlin police forces. The Berlin garrison units had unique TO&E, which involves quite a bit of research as sources don't agree with what they had. So far, I've completed the US and about halfway through the British. Still got a ways to go but I'm having fun doing it. Plus, I'm learning bucket loads about Berlin, the Wall, and the forces there.

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RE: New map WIP - West Berlin, British Sector - 11/18/2014 10:49:21 PM   
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