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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/8/2015 6:12:47 PM

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couple of comments about the north

That NKVD unit in Riga can be a real pain - depends on the player but put on refit it can generate around 30 defensive CV by T2. Something to bear in mind, I know a lot of players ignore it and others make bouncing the Soviets out of Riga a priority, but there is a cost to leaving it alone

I'd have put down at least a line of zocs on the Velikaya, but a lot of those reinforcements that jwolf mentions turn up at Leningrad so it'll be the Luga where you meet them. In the main its hard to defend Estonia, a bit like Riga some players build up in Talinin (which can be annoying to clear) but I think the Soviets need as much as they can immediately defending Leningrad

In the centre watch out for the hit on your MPs for T3, its hard to avoid this as its tempting to really push the Pzrs on T1/2, but you can end up with 12-15 MPs and that won't get you over a contested Dniepr. Its managing this transition of MPs over the first 4 turns so you get as much as possible on average that I think marks out the really good German players.

The scary bit of SW Front is not the stuff on the border. In the corps that are assigned to the Front (ie not in the armies) you'll find some very good rifle divisions, over 50 morale, in forts or poor terrain they'll take some shifting, try to manouver them back to Kiev rather than fight them if you can. A good study of the historical campaign on this sector will give you a good workable operational plan.

As jwolf, supply not Soviet resistance is one of the biggest constraints in the Ukraine, so watch your rail repairs or you'll find yourself unable to land a powerful blow.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/8/2015 8:06:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: loki100

couple of comments about the north

That NKVD unit in Riga can be a real pain - depends on the player but put on refit it can generate around 30 defensive CV by T2. Something to bear in mind, I know a lot of players ignore it and others make bouncing the Soviets out of Riga a priority, but there is a cost to leaving it alone

I'd have put down at least a line of zocs on the Velikaya, but a lot of those reinforcements that jwolf mentions turn up at Leningrad so it'll be the Luga where you meet them. In the main its hard to defend Estonia, a bit like Riga some players build up in Talinin (which can be annoying to clear) but I think the Soviets need as much as they can immediately defending Leningrad

In the centre watch out for the hit on your MPs for T3, its hard to avoid this as its tempting to really push the Pzrs on T1/2, but you can end up with 12-15 MPs and that won't get you over a contested Dniepr. Its managing this transition of MPs over the first 4 turns so you get as much as possible on average that I think marks out the really good German players.

The scary bit of SW Front is not the stuff on the border. In the corps that are assigned to the Front (ie not in the armies) you'll find some very good rifle divisions, over 50 morale, in forts or poor terrain they'll take some shifting, try to manouver them back to Kiev rather than fight them if you can. A good study of the historical campaign on this sector will give you a good workable operational plan.

As jwolf, supply not Soviet resistance is one of the biggest constraints in the Ukraine, so watch your rail repairs or you'll find yourself unable to land a powerful blow.

I agree with all this except the point about the risk of not taking Riga. All you need to do is move a Security Division (or even a regiment) adjacent to it, and the NKVD division isn't going anywhere. You will eventually capture Kurresare, and isolate Riga completely, so you can take it at our leisure.

It is possible that the Russians will sea-lift a cavalry division or two in to use as raiders, but that should be easily dealt with. As a German, I would welcome the diversion of units from the defense of leningrad.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/9/2015 8:28:42 PM

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Turn 3

Overview

Middle of the action turn - there is a huge pocket in the Lvov area, which is slowing down AGS' march to the east.

AGN is motoring to Leningrad, and AGC is going as fast as it can to pocket as many Soviet units as it can.

AGN

There is nothing between AGN units and Leningrad. Nothing.

However, the terrain is slowing the panzers down more than the enemy. We are already at Pskov.

The infantry has caught up to our fast movers, which is good news.

One unit - the 36th motorized - was detached from the main force and sent to capture Talinn.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/9/2015 8:34:45 PM

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AGC

The Red air force has tried to slow down our troops by repeated bombings of our columns. Their bomber planes take heavy losses.

Our fast movers bump into a defensive line on the Vitebsk-Mogilev line, which is protecting Smolensk.

Smolensk is the "land bridge", the traditional way to invade Russia from the West.

The Stavka WILL make a stand here.

The panzers, having scouted the enemy, are waiting for the foot sloggers to catch up.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/9/2015 8:43:30 PM

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AGS

Our allies, the Romanians, have decided to join our crusade against Bolshevism.

In the north east, our troops are in the process of liquidating the trapped enemy units in the Lvov area.

It is slow going, and combat is not easy despite the fact that the enemy are cut off from their supplies and their HQ command and control.

They are resisting desperately.

Some more tank divisions are trapped by Leibstandarte "Das Newbie Fuhrer" and the 14 Panzer division.

The bulk of our forces are busy making and reducing pockets - very few fast movers are able to drive east to scout Proskurov and Zhitomir.

In the south, our allies, the Romanians are jockeying into position to be better able to attack Soviet troops protecting the Soviet-Romanian border.

Our German troops aim is, apart from pocketing and destroying as much of the Soviet war making potential as they can, to drive to Kiev.

The Romanians want Odessa, and we will make their dreams come true.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/9/2015 8:48:34 PM

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Turn 3 Strategery

Not much has happened. Where we have enemy units trapped, we are reducing the pockets.

Where we don't, we are driving towards the geographical objectives, for better or worse.

For such prestige objectives such as Leningrad, Kiev, Smolensk - Stavka MUST make a stand and try to defend, which should play right into our hands.

The Pripyat Marshes are totally ignored.

We are very happy to have so many Romanian (and a few Slovakian and Hungarian) units join us.

The OKH is keeping a tab on enemy losses. This data screen is becoming an obsession with our High Command, as THIS is the aim of Barbarossa. Everything else is secondary to destroying the Red Army before it can retreat and do what they did in 1812.

So far we have "taken out of the game" 648K Soviet troops, 5174 AFV and 1852 SP & AC.

We have lost 39K troops and 322 AFV and 56 SP & AC.

So far so good.

Of note is the fact that there is no frontline whatsoever, and AGN and AGC have no contact with each other other than by radio or a courier liaison airplane.

On the other hand there is nothing that can threaten our troops, nor does it seem the Stavka wants to do so. They are pulling away as fast as they can.

We shall see if they want to make a stand in Kiev, Smolensk, or before Leningrad west of Lake Ilmen, as there is nothing at Pskov.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/9/2015 10:38:39 PM

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Did you remember to convert (59,51) to Axis rail gauge?

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 12:25:12 AM

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I think it is a mistake to send a quality Motorized division up to Talinn. The problem is that you are way past the railhead up there and will have a hard time getting any fuel. So it can take a long time to get him back into the fray, and you need him for the drive on L-Grad.

My theory is that a straight path from Pskov to Lake Ladoga as fast as possible is the way to go. Once that corridor is established you can begin withdrawing the Panzers for the Moscow offensive, filling in with infantry for the final push across the Neva. Once you capture Osinovets, it is game over for anyone to the west of your lines.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 5:26:14 AM

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I think it is a mistake to send a quality Motorized division up to Talinn. The problem is that you are way past the railhead up there and will have a hard time getting any fuel. So it can take a long time to get him back into the fray, and you need him for the drive on L-Grad.

My theory is that a straight path from Pskov to Lake Ladoga as fast as possible is the way to go. Once that corridor is established you can begin withdrawing the Panzers for the Moscow offensive, filling in with infantry for the final push across the Neva. Once you capture Osinovets, it is game over for anyone to the west of your lines.

Yes, don't know how it is with the new rules, but under the old ones it was entirely possible to HQ buildup the two mobile corps on Turn 4 and use them with infantry support to smash over the Luga on Turn 5 (unless you are playing a guy similar to Sapper who puts up a brick wall up north). Key to getting to Shlisselburg early is a concentration of forces. Sending a motorised division up to Tallinn will do no good, similarly is sending up an entire panzer corps a waste. The choke point at Narva also easy to defend. Simply send the weakest of 18th Army's infantry corps to clear the area. Concentrate the rest of 18th Army and 2/3 of 16th Army along with the entire 4th Panzer Group towards Luga and smash through.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 11:05:38 AM

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Analysis above of this AAR appreciated.

My 2 cents is that Riga-Pskov-Luga is the right path to L'grad, sometimes called "the right hook." Think, then, that Riga is essential for supply path, but other objectives not essential. PzArm IV is the right tool until worst terrain is found. Keep the Landsers marching, one bunch to Luga, other bunch to L'grad proper. FBD follows PzArm IV.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 2:01:12 PM

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Intermission

Note to all readers: this is an AAR - AFTER action report. I am now on turn 30.

Your remarks and advice are NOT ignored - the purpose of this AAR is to point out my newbie mistakes so that I (and others) can learn from them for the next try. You are giving advice and making comments on a PER TURN basis - please do not be aggravated when the newbie dork (me) does the opposite and compounds the mistake turn by next turn...

Which leads me to my next point.

My non-pro plays WILL result in suboptimal situations, which perhaps some pros have never dealt with - simply put because they would never play so ineptly. Think of it as a challenge, a puzzle, a general Model dropped in after his predecessor made a right hash of things - how would you un**** the ****ed up situation in a given turn? Then of course OKH comes in and joyfully does something completely different (aka Das Newbie Fuhrer does what the historical Austrian house painter did and ****s things up).

Thanks (on behalf of me and all the newbs) for all your comments and advice!

House Keeping Newbie Help
A player may choose to separate a division into regimental subunits - in fact, this is already done for you at turn 1 when you start the Axis! You have some (green) units near Lvov which are not XX (division) but III (Regiment).

What you do is up to you - for easier housekeeping and to lower the strain on the Corps HQ (a Corps HQ can only command 8:8 units cap successfully - splitting a division like that results in HQ being strained in its command capacity).

As an aside, I have not changed the air force settings from turn 1 - what are your air force settings after turn 1?

Now, on with the show!

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 2:05:00 PM

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Did you remember to convert (59,51) to Axis rail gauge?

I think you mean 61,50 (Vilnius/Wilno)?

Working on it.

59,51 is not converted.

Which reminds me, the most important part of an Axis turn:

Railroad Build Troops

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 2:20:22 PM

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Turn 4

Here is the start of turn 4, AFTER I have run the photorecconnaissance airplanes over the front.

Guess what - we have found the enemy!

I fact, we have found LOTS of the enemy... Where did they all come from, end of last turn there was NOTHING...

The Plan
Right no more amateur city. We have to plan this carefully from now on and actually think on what we are doing.

In AGN, we shall try to unhinge the Pskov defensive position, which has been reinforced by the enemy using railroads to good effect - or perhaps my turn 3 photo recconnaissance was not so good...

As usual, we shall try to pocket as many Soviet divisions as we can.

In AGC, the Stavka has rushed a ****load of units to bar the Smolensk land bridge. Ominously, there are enough units to defend the mighty Dnepr river also. We shall try to unhinge the defense line - if we fail, the blitzkrieg WILL FAIL THE NEXT TURN. Literally, the whole operation WILL FAIL if the OKH fails to unhinge the Smolensk-Dnepr defensive line.

The only good news is that the enemy has had no time to dig in - fortification level of "0" everywhere but few places with level "1".

We HAVE to attack and unhinge the whole defensive line - if allowed to dig in and stall us, we have lost the war. I cannot stress this enough.

AGS is STILL liquidating the Lvov pocket; the Soviets are VERY stubborn there. As a result, the infantry ground pounders are very much lagging behind.

The Soviets have succeeded in scrapping enough units to make a defensive line Zhitomir - Vinnitsa - Odessa.

Since the infantry are far behind, the panzers are in a quandary - motor ahead, VERY far ahead of the support, or stay put and wait for the landser?

The Romanians will be allowed to do their thing and slowly advance to the enemy defensive line while routing/encircling/destroying as many enemy units as they can.

Note that the Stanislav-Proskurov area is controlled by the enemy STILL, and there is a huge enemy controlled gap between the Romanian army and our AGS guys.

The plan for AGS: half a**ed improvisation, we'll see how it goes (which is a horrible thing to admit for the High Command - the language used for the orders was of course different - "Exploit opportunities to advance eastward while reducing the enemy already encircled. Recconnaissance in force of the Zhitomir-Vinnitsa-Odessa line.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 2:31:29 PM

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AGN

Our panzerwaffe boys men have burst through the Pskov defense line like it was nothing and have done what they do best - encircle the enemy units while at it.

Tallinn in Estonia (extreme north) was unprotected and is now ours.

The OKH decided to send the whole L Corps: SS-Polizei (motorized), 86th Inf and 36th Inf to open up a new front for the defenders of Leningrad - the Narva line. Next turn they will smash into the city from the north east, as there are no enemy units protecting it from that direction - the photorecce airboys have proven that.

The battles to unhinge the Pskov line were lopsided in our favor - casualties ratios of 40 our guys and 1000 plus enemy troops KIA/taken prisoner in ALL the battles. The Stavka can do NOTHING to stop us.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 2:33:43 PM

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Since you have already played far past this point, I assume you found this out sometime -- but your FBD near Vilnius missed a hex, the one Gingerbread was talking about. Check that rail path very carefully. It's a standard rookie error that many players make.

Edit: also note that your arrangement near Pskov did NOT form a pocket (unless you still moved other units later that turn in order to block the Russians to the west of Pskov).

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 2:36:32 PM

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AGC

Der newbie fuhrer is fuming. The AGC has done NOTHING this turn. The landser have caught up to the panzer boys, who are stopped out of contact with the enemy and are in HQ Buildup mode (i.e. grab supplies and fuel for rapid movement/lots of combat next turn.

This means, however, that the Soviets have had time to dig in.

The OKH has explained that this is actually good - we WANT them to stand and fight to allow us to make pockets. We don't want to spook them by unhinging their defensive line too soon.

In response to the OKH generals' explanation, DSN has pointed his finger at the map and traced the Dnepr river line on it... in silence.

Ominous silence.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 2:51:34 PM

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AGS

First, the good news - the Romanians did well, they routed and shattered and destroyed a good few fortified regions, NKVD border troops and infantry divisions. They are slowly moving east.

Now, the bad - we are stalled as the High Command has decided to make the panzers wait for the landser.

The Lvov pocket has been cleared

"Completely?" asks DNF.

"Ja, ja, mein newbie fuhrer!" - Keitel.

"Vas... IST... DAS!" - the newies finger points at the south east area of Lvov where the 72nd Mountain Division and the 93rd NKVD Border Regiment were resisting.

"Gulp" - lokaitel.

The heroic mountain division stiffened with NKVD troops has heroically resisted all. In fact, attacking it was a mistake as it herded the Soviets into mountains...

Despite being out of Command, Control and Communication range, out of supplies, they are putting up a hell of a fight.

"Are the panzer boys from the 1st Panzer Group in a HQ buildup mode, at least?" - DNF.

"Gulp" - Keitel.

"Well, I am sure that you boys will manage anyway. If you turn this to schei***, I will be... ANGRY".

"Gulp".

"Now, there are some reinforcements which can be put to good use. Some odd infantry divisions."

"Ja, ja, mein newbie, the 2nd Army was packed on trains and sent north to L-grad".

"Vat about the 94, 96 and 96th infantry divisions in the Berlin area".

"Vey... vey are in reserven mode".

"You mean you forgot about them and left them there, eh?"

"...".

"Next time, use the commander's report, sort by MP (movement points) and see what units have their full complement of MP's and have not moved... dumbkopf!".

Der Newbie Fuhrer paces around the room, then sits down: "Fine, fine, I am sure you vill manage next turn. I want encirclements. I want kessels!"

The newbie fidgets on his chair: "Now, where are the pies that I told them to bring?".

"... GULP".

Hitler's Pies

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 2:55:44 PM

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Turn 4 Strategery

Not good.

Not good at all.

Der Newbie Fuhrer has told the OKH that there should be one of three things happening per turn:

1) Encirclement of enemy troops
2) Rapid movement eastward to unhinge enemy defensive plans
3) Preferably, both 1 and 2 at the same time.

This turn, AGC and AGS have done none of the above.

Worse, a totally stupid mistake of not doing a HQ buildup for the AGS panzer troops.

The newbie is raging... hard.

Now, BRING ME MY PIES!

Railroad Builders

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/10/2015 3:14:49 PM

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one general warning, especially in the north, don't trust air recon, especially only off 1-2 sweeps. Detection levels are low due to the woods and swamps and its quite possible that you miss a substantial grouping of forces.

I've pulled a few surprise build ups in our current PBEM using this and there is an older Oshawatt AAR where he dropped paras on what he thought was empty hexes only to find the Finnish army hanging around waiting for them.

T4 is frustrating as a lot of Soviet reinforcements arrive at the time your offensive stalls due to supply/fatigue etc.

It gets worse

, one regular hit to German morale is to keep on finding even more Soviet units as 1941 goes on. In PBEM with the Soviets I really like to spread out the rifle brigades, not only do they then dig in, it makes the Red Army look bigger (air recon in the rear will really struggle to spot the difference between a brigade and a division).

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 9:48:23 PM

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Hold the presses!

This newb has learned a momentous thing!

You see, when your turn is active and you are the one moving your units, they are marked like so:

5-10, where the first number is the Combat Value and the second number is the movement points.

But enemy units are marked with the "=" sign, like so:

2=9, where the first number is the attacking strength and the second number is the defensive strength.

Yes, I did not know that, I just winged it.

Now I press "Z" key all the time.

And now, on with the show!

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 9:56:53 PM

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Turn 5

Turn 5 Strategery

No change; implement the plan from turn 4.

AGN

There was a Soviet force which infiltrated from the area between Lake Peipus and Lake Pskov. Our 291st Inf divisions has intercepted them and inflicted a shattering defeat on the enemy, clearing the northern flank. It was an NKVD regiment scouting for the enemy - now the flank is secure and barred for any more unpleasant surprises.

The L Corps has moved into position on the Luga line (extreme north) and is ready to put pressure on the enemy to split their forces.

We have are continuing to encircle sizeable enemy forces in a secure pocket.

However, our advance has stalled. We have not broken through the enemy defensive line.

AGN supremo von Leeb has complained that he needs another panzer group to efficiently sweep all before him to Leningrad, but Der Newbie Fuhrer has told him that he already has one panzer group too much! Also, von Leeb was told to move his *** to L-grad pronto.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 10:01:29 PM

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AGC supremo Fedor von Bock is claiming a success as his panzer waffe forces have broken through a huge chunk of the enemy front and encircled it.

... Well, not quite encircled it.

There is no pocket.

The motorized and panzer divisions did not have enough "oomph" juice to close the pocket... which might cost us dearly.

On the positive note, Smolensk is surrounded from all sides.

But taken together with NO PROGRESS in the AGN as well as the CLEAR FAILURE to pocket the enemy in AGC DNF is NOT HAPPY.

As a matter of fact, Der Newbie is suspicious... Fedor.... it's a RUSSIAN name, ain't it?

Better talk to Heydrich about it...

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 10:06:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Timotheus

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AGC supremo Fedor von Bock is claiming a success as his panzer waffe forces have broken through a huge chunk of the enemy front and encircled it.

... Well, not quite encircled it.

There is no pocket.

The motorized and panzer divisions did not have enough "oomph" juice to close the pocket... which might cost us dearly.

On the positive note, Smolensk is surrounded from all sides.

But taken together with NO PROGRESS in the AGN as well as the CLEAR FAILURE to pocket the enemy in AGC DNF is NOT HAPPY.

As a matter of fact, Der Newbie is suspicious... Fedor.... it's a RUSSIAN name, ain't it?

Better talk to Heydrich about it...

Only fair, considering all the ones of German extraction who served the Tsars :)

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 10:08:28 PM

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AGS' supremo, Gerd von Rundstedt sees this turn as his opportunity to shine. His troops fulfill the directions of Barbarossa and successfully create a few pockets. Even the Romanians get in the act.

On the easternmost side the Soviet 72nd mountain division , 93rd NKVD regiment and 94th NKVD border regiment are STILL resisting.

This does not bode well... why don't the Soviets give up and make it easy for us?

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 10:13:56 PM

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Turn 5 Assessment

Failure. Total and utter failure.

AGN has had no progress to L-grad, AGC has failed to close the (too ambitious) pocket and only AGS' performance could be characterized as "somewhat satisfactory". AGS and only AGS has followed the Barbarossa directions and "pocketed" several Soviet divisions.

Any turn where either the Axis units do not move towards their geographical objectives (generally, move east and NE in the case of AGN) and/or neither do they pocket enemy units is a

FAILURE

The losses screen bears this sad conclusion out:

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 10:16:04 PM

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Newsflash: Der Newbie Fuhrer has decided and decreed that since the last turn was so pathetic and the Axis forces so ineptly led, Turn 6 will follow immediately.

Hear ye, hear ye!

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 10:28:08 PM

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Turn 6 Plan
Redemption or vee vill find vayz to make yu talk!
von Leeb: Gulp
Fedor von Bock: Gulp
von Rundstedt: Vat, I did gut?!

AGN
It is amazing what a casual mention of a court martial can do to one's drive and energy and motivation.

AGN's boys get their ***es into high gear and motor all the way to the Gulf of Finland coast FROM the south of Lake Pskov area.

That is an amazing accomplishment considering the opposition AND the ****ty terrain our mechanized and truck borne troops had to literally WADE through... sometimes swim/float on.

Not only have we totally broken and unhinged the Pskov line, our forces have created an awesome pocket with 8 divisions trapped, alongside an enemy HQ and a full Soviet air base!

von Leeb has claimed that that was the plan all along and mumbled something about "HQBU" and "We cannot attack every turn, that's idiotic, better rest and gather strength and do a knockout blow and not slap them every turn - that's newbie amateur play".

Is he questioning the great Newbie himself???

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 10:35:21 PM

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Der Newbie Fuhrer: Zo, Fedor, or should I say, FYODOR, like the Ruzians call you, eh? EHH!? Vat du ya haf to zey for yurzelf, eh?

Fedor, mutters: **** ****.

DNF: Vat vass dat? I could not hear?

Fedor: Holy ****!

DNF: Vay do you keep saying dat?

Fedor: Vell, vee haff moved our troops, scouted the enemy line and tried to do an encirclement.

DNF: Andz?

Fedor: We have succeeded, Mein Herr Newbie!

DNF: Eggzelent! I knew I could trust you to do my bidding provided you were given the proper motivatiooooVAT?

Fedor: Mein Newbie Commandant...

DNF: VAT!?

Fedor: Just... just look at the map!

DNF: **** ****...

Fedor: Vass ist dass, mein Newb? I could not hear...

Der Newbie Fuhrer: Holy ****!!!!!

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 10:36:45 PM

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Your Turn 5 move in AGC near Smolensk was a bit reckless, but you did successfully force the issue with the Dnepr. Russians have to pull back, sit and get caught, or try to stage a massive counterattack -- and the latter is unlikely with the AI.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 10:45:04 PM

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von R: Mein Newbie Fuhrer! Herr Newbie!!!

DNF: Huh? Vat?

von R: I haff to report that the opposition is very weak in Armee Grouppe Sud. I mean, where did vey all go?

DNF: Ohh, I haff a VERY gud idea where all these units vent...

v. Rundstedt: Mein Newbie, I haff to repo... Dear Gott in himmell, vat happened to YOUR FACE?

DNF: I haff gone to my personal doktor. Herr Teddy Morell has given me a few things to calm me down and make me feel better.

von R: Mein Newbie, your face... it is... changing colors every second...

DNF:

von R: Right, I haff to report that we have some good kessels in the South...

DNF: Are zey hundred percent... SECURE?

von R: More or less, mein Newbie... Err... Ja, dat is de right korrect thing to zey, ja...

DNF: I don't care... I am flying... Keitel! Keitel... wipe this drool off my face... and bring me that purple pill from Teddy!

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