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u-boat VPs - 1/18/2015 10:48:52 PM   
whoofe

 

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Status: offline 		so I keep doing bombing missions in northern Europe to bomb the U-boat factories. but each turn the negative VPs increases. a turn ago I had -6 pts for the turn. I bombed the U-boat factory in hamburg. this turn I got a -8 for the turn for U-boats

anyone else having a similar issue? or is fog of war just messing with me and all my raids are missing horribly?
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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 12:44:22 AM   
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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 12:47:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		You lose VP for every undamaged U-Boat factory. The factory in Hamburg isn't the only U-Boat factory, although the majority are near to Hamburg.

You'll have similar issues with V-Weapon factories and launch sites.

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 1:34:08 AM   
whoofe

 

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Status: offline 		the ones I have damaged: kiel, bremershaven, Bremen, hamburg, Wilhelmshaven

the ones I see undamaged: Emden, hannover, lubeck, rostock, Flensburg, stettin (kinda far to get to)

taking a -8 per turn for missing 6 cities? I wasn't bombing these at the start either plus a few of these others were undamaged, but was only taking a -4 per turn


tried bombing hannover several times but RAF bomber command isn't very successful


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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 1:39:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		The rule says that the number of undamaged factories divided by 10 is the calculation. count your undamaged factories.

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 2:05:16 AM   
whoofe

 

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ORIGINAL: meklore61

The rule says that the number of undamaged factories divided by 10 is the calculation. count your undamaged factories.


I guess I am still confused on the calculation - because I listed 6 cites with uboat factories that are undamaged. I looked on the CR to see if I missed any and it looks like danzig, stetten, hagan, and pozan also - so that's 11/10 = 1.1




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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 3:07:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not only the number of undamaged factories, it's the number and their size.

Manual 25.1.1 :

quote:

U-Boat points (UPs) are calculated by summing up the size (number of factory points) of all undamaged (less than one percent damage) U-Boat factories.


So if you can't attack them all, the bigger one should be prioritized.

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 3:19:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		In all those cities combined there are only 11 fully functional factories? Each of those cities have a lot of u boat factories and if it doesn't add up I'd load a save and make a bug report.

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 3:46:02 AM   
Nico165b165


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Status: offline 		It works as intented (1.00.11b)

Quick test with 1943 campaign.

Playing turn one, deleting every AD's, using 8th AF to attack a maximum of u-boats factories.

Results starting turn 2 :

CR view :



Total undamaged factories : 19 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 26

26 / 10 = 2,6

VP turn 1 :



-3 U-Boats VP.

If it didn't add up, it would have been 5 / 10 = 0,5.

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 5:50:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don´t think whoofe realize that there is multiple factories in each city.

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 1:48:35 PM   
whoofe

 

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Status: offline 		ok thanks guys - it makes sense now. those cities with large factory amounts I need to damage more, it seems

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 7:22:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		For a quick reference, see if it helps you:


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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 8:18:34 PM   
whoofe

 

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Status: offline 		thanks! you coulda circled Flensburg too since that's just at the top of your screenie :)

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/19/2015 10:47:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the factory has any damage at all it won't be used to calculate VP.

Once you get to 1944 and go after V Weapons, don't miss the huge launch site in Cherbourg.

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/20/2015 5:47:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Danzig is the pain...I got the rest with a combination of 8th and BC, but I wnt send 8th AF as far as Danzig unescorted, so BC had to do it on its own. Took about 3 weeks of attempts. Once you have damaged down to about Rostok on that list, lost VPs become trivial. Mind you, V weapons are worse! You can escort 8th AF to a degree by then, but there are a couple of tricky ones...

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/22/2015 10:34:22 PM   
gmsitton

 

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Status: offline 		You only need to damage the U-Boat factory 1% to stop it from accruing VPs. Of course, they do rebuild.

I haven't tried to completely shut down U-Boat production. If I get it down to -3 or -4 VPs I consider it a success. V Weapons are a different matter. Wipe 'em out.

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/23/2015 4:15:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		So it doesn't matter VP wise if you have 30% or 85% damage on a site? I guess the optimal strategy for this would be a relatively light strike on each site as quickly as possible but not actually worrying about knocking them out?

P.S. Is the factory/site damage that you are shown in the selection screen always accurate? E.G. can a factory show as 25% damaged but actualy be fully operational? If so...does flying recon in the area reveal that?

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/23/2015 4:24:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		"You only need to damage the U-Boat factory 1% to stop it from accruing VPs"

hmmm... interesting, i thought it was prorated. just bomb them enough to keep rebuilding from ever getting the production back to 100%.

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RE: u-boat VPs - 1/23/2015 7:51:09 PM   
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