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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/12/2015 1:53:07 PM

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Another depressing new month of Allied plane models coming up. 38 B24Js, the first Mustang, Spitfires (thank goodness they have short range), a nifty New Zealand torpedo bomber with radar, attack bombers, more nightfighters....ugh.

I will get Ki100-I, the first Jack (no plans on making it), and something else that eludes me right now - must not be memorable (oh yeah, two lesser Tonies with better lines).

It's more than 38 B-24J. It's the production plus the replacements, so more like 55. Can't remember the exact number. A lot more than before.

Really the formula is production + replacements + reinforcements. Just nasty.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/12/2015 1:56:18 PM

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I don't recall the status of the KB, can you clarify what your CV fleet has, and how experienced the pilots are?

I just got the Taiho, and two converted CS. Lost the Zuikaku and the Hiyo. Pretty decent, but I am not looking for a CV to CV clash...the worst I want is a KB to CVE clash over an invasion cite.

I want a fleet in being for a long time. Can I do it?

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/12/2015 2:13:05 PM

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No night bombing.

Lots of sub action. Allies have an solid picket line around Sabang to Georgetown and lots of subs in the Truk, Ponape, Kusaie area. Not so much anywhere else...and huge convoys are ferrying oil, fuel and resources out of the SRA at a huge clip; cargo ships by their lonesome are plying the Hokkaido, Sakhalin and Fusan routes without losses.

My hunter killer group (1 radar DD, 3Es) ran the Destroyer empty, the previous day a W class E ran empty and returned to Truk for supplies. The mortars have yet to engage....

An Iboat attacks two xaks and a yard sweeper on the surface, heavily damages or sinks both xaks (which had fuel in them) but also takes a pounding in return, especially by their AA guns. Ouch. Another Iboat is destroyed by 5 destroyers as she tried to penetrate their screen near Johnston Island. Lousy, funky, top secret American ASW weapons forced her to surface....

Air ASW assets report the sinking of a Yank sub near Ponape and a dozen hits all over. Destroyers and Es, despite numerous encounters, score only a half dozen glancing hits.

An S boat sneaks thru the ASW efforts on the KB, and gets a torpedo into the Kaga. Damage is light, the task force veered off their planned course of travel and instead routed themselves thru the American sub forest around Truk. I guess they saw something, but search reveals no threats other than subs, which are plentiful...like leaves in the fall.

Today, also marks the first use of Allied assault bombers in an anti-shippping role. Four of them, protected by Hurricanes (Oscars get a half dozen or more) make a run against two APDs at Car Nicobar, and plant two 500 pounders on one of the APD....89 fire. Ouch. I like those ships...can't bring myself to scuttle, but I don't want to lose the Captain either. So I disbanded her in port, where she will most likely get crispier before the end.

4000 supplies landed at Kusaie. Yeah! Food and ammo for a week.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/12/2015 8:01:40 PM

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The older DCs just don't get deep enough...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/12/2015 8:05:50 PM

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The final ride of I-8...she takes two xaks with her.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/12/2015 11:20:29 PM

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After looking at those 20 hex heavy bombers coming online, in scant days, I made the mistake of looking at the next months new arrivals and the Corsair will now be CV capable. A6M5c vs Corsair will simply be unbelievable death on my part...and it will be a long time if ever I get something better on Carriers.

Between the Jugs and now with the CV Corsair, I am in deep, deep trouble.

I will not be able to defend anything within extended range of the Jugs, and at sea the Yank CVs will most likely be able to roam freely, only worrying about subs or suicidal attacks.

So the air force will continue its mission of defending 10 hexes from Allied bases, with George sky high to combat Lightning sweeps, and the other fighters stacked underneath. Occasional traps...but more search to understand Yank attacks sooner rather than later.

I will be relying upon my AA units to protect bases within 9 hexes of the Allies, and will need to put up a masterful defense here to slow the Yanks.

Not to mention, I feel that the Yanks are massing for a massive deep strike against the Empire...and there is precious little I have to stop him with. At some point, the Allies will get sloppy and then I will have to pounce.

Hopefully, I can continue to prepare for the hammer blow for the next two months...before the air war turns even worse for me. I fear the attack/invasion in Indochina...and will pull even more troops back to form a reserve. I can't afford to lose those troops...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/13/2015 2:49:21 AM

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No night bombing.

Allies sweep the base north of Bangkok, then bomb it heavily. I had 70 Tojo's there, supported by the fighters from Bangkok, and I end up losing 50 planes in air to air, and another 16 on the ground. Allied losses are a dozen, more than half jugs. Those Lightnings were spotted at 46,000 feet!

My bad for not moving them to Bangkok, but I didn't want to overstack Bangkok anymore than it already is...soon it will be size 8.

The upgraded Es see more action, and plenty of aerial attacks on subs....9 CAs spotted heading towards Ontong, invasion force for the Kavieng area?

Hey, I realize it is small consolation for losing 7-1 in fighter planes, but I will take any silver lining each turn.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/13/2015 2:54:53 AM

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Hey, I realize it is small consolation for losing 7-1 in fighter planes, but I will take any silver lining each turn.

Play Downfall as Japan if you really want to find the silver lining in every turn

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/13/2015 12:41:11 PM

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Carrier Capable Corsairs - I placed them in the best of the best CV air groups to act as CAP only in the beginning of their deployment while leaving the Hellcat F6F-3s for both Escort and some CAP.

Allied subs - From now to the end, the monthly output will be about 6 or more.

This will strain your ASW efforts to the max to sink them. In August '44, I'm only losing about 1 to 2 per month (mainly in shallow water). The math is not in your favor.

P-47s - Not until you get the Frank 'r' can your airforce afford to go head-to-head with them (I'm using dbb air data). IMO, rather than try to reach up to their max altitude, I would layer CAP down around 20k or below to try to get them down there.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/13/2015 2:23:18 PM

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Carrier Capable Corsairs - I placed them in the best of the best CV air groups to act as CAP only in the beginning of their deployment while leaving the Hellcat F6F-3s for both Escort and some CAP.

Allied subs - From now to the end, the monthly output will be about 6 or more. This will strain your ASW efforts to the max to sink them. In August '44, I'm only losing about 1 to 2 per month (mainly in shallow water). The math is not in your favor.

P-47s - Not until you get the Frank 'r' can your airforce afford to go head-to-head with them (I'm using dbb air data). IMO, rather than try to reach up to their max altitude, I would layer CAP down around 20k or below to try to get them down there.

Thanks for the tips on Allied usage.

The only time I layer cap above 15K is where George is present and within Lightning range. OH, I also usually have some high CAP when the KB is out and about and within range of goofy 4Es. Not many, but a little. But given the high speed advantage even low dogfights are to the Jugs advantage I believe, but at least it is playing to my plane strengths and hot his.

I am trying to avoid the P47, and only engage within Lightning ranges or at worst extended Jugs range for a day or two.

American subs, subs and more subs.

After giving it lots of thoughts, and checking my air squadron reinforcements, I have decided to make in very small numbers some Lornas. In real life they dropped depth charges and Japan made over 200 of them. They will be my elite aerial sub hunting force...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/13/2015 2:24:41 PM

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Hey, I realize it is small consolation for losing 7-1 in fighter planes, but I will take any silver lining each turn.

Play Downfall as Japan if you really want to find the silver lining in every turn

Too true

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/14/2015 2:55:31 PM

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No night bombing.

Some Fletchers move forward, near Rabaul, and a sentai of Nicks C model strafe them. They get chewed up by flak, and really do no damage. It seems I need to train them at LowN to get bomb hits, and I think you may be better off using Oscar IV etc at 1000 feet trained in LowN as an antifletcher force (or Tojo or Ki100I).

Lilly db attack too, and miss, and suffer from the flak badly.

Strafing seems a good tactic only for barges, ptboats, etc.

Normal Allied bombing and bomb Udon in Indochina for the first time, Normal heavy attacks on Allied subs, especially in a ring around Truk. Dozens of reported aerial hits.

New month tomorrow.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/14/2015 3:31:28 PM

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I do the same as Micheal. Some CVs are fitted with Corsair using the very best pilots. Those are used for CAP only and never escort. That also saves your best fighter pilots when the engine launches a full strike at a couple of PBs/AMs/xAKLs under a 1200 plane CAP.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/14/2015 8:34:58 PM

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With Akagi in drydock, lousy subs, the Kb plus mini Kb fields over 600 well trained, experienced pilots. Flying Jill, Judy and Zero (a6m5c), plus one squadron of Judy C for more search. When the Akagi is out, that will be quite close to 700 planes or more.

Still, I would lose an engagement versus the American CV force...but still a potent weapon to be used appropriately.

Heavy radio traffic in the Gilberts from two locations, I feel a major operation in the works for Solomons. Probably upper Solomons. He may very well accelerate operations here since he knows the KB is in the area...I feel he wants a CV clash, and I aim to disappoint him except on my terms.

I really need to buy two more months of stalling, because I will then get a whole mess of unrestricted land troop reinforcements which I desperately need for SRA, PI, Kuriles, and Marianas. I will need to keep tabs on them, so I have convoys to move those troops forward to where they are needed right away!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/15/2015 12:13:29 PM

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Sept 1, 1943

New Month! Tomorrow the Ki100-I starts production, or finishes research.

No night bombing.

American CVs spotted in Marshalls. Only two however...

Not much bombing across the Empire, except Kusaie gets their normal treatment. 600 supplies consumed it seems from about 35 4Es bombers hitting it.

A few Fletchers raid and bombard Rangoon, no damage worth mentioning. Another group of DD are lining up for a run at Ponape or
Eniwetok or even Truk it looks like although Truk would be a two day run....

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/15/2015 4:59:16 PM

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New month: got new pilots and put them to training, probably two more months of Naval pilots shortages for the training squadrons, then pilots start to flow.

Little worried that the CVs spotted this last day are part of a trap...either for my KB or for land based air. Still, I put a sentai of Helens trained at naval bombing to attack at 6,000 feet, plus one sentai of Betties with torpedoes, and 42 Oscars to escort...if they come within 11 hexes. Beefed up search even more, I seem to be doing that more and more.

Still working on coming up with a good way to nail those Fletchers 7,8,9 hexes away...I goofed and should have trained some low n, which I am now rectifying. Lilly divebombers get shredded by the flak, I thought they would do better to be honest. So, I am going to try some Helens at 6K, I tried them before at 10K and no misses, and flak wasn't too punishing. I don't expect Betty to hit with torpedoes, but if the fletchers are damaged first they might. I might also try to time a naval encounter with them, but when I have done that in the past the Yanks have evaded naval combat. Slippery, nasty ships, those Fletchers.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/15/2015 5:35:31 PM

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I broke down today, and am having the remaining DMS ships convert to E's. I got hammered hard with mines in 42, and expect to get hammered hard by them again, but for now I need to work on Allied subs and protect those tankers....

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/15/2015 6:23:45 PM

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Sept 1, 1943

5.3 million supplies, another month of solid improvement. Can I get to 6 million? Well over 3 million oil, well over 2 million fuel -- not bad for a scenario 1 game.

My air forces have really grown, from my start July 42...and they eat supplies especially the heavy bombing runs on Chengtu. American 4e bombers really destroy/eat the supplies when they strike...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/16/2015 10:54:36 AM

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No night bombing.

Normal Allied bombing, especially heavy at Moulmein.

Yank CVs disappear...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/16/2015 6:54:21 PM

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I broke down today, and am having the remaining DMS ships convert to E's. I got hammered hard with mines in 42, and expect to get hammered hard by them again, but for now I need to work on Allied subs and protect those tankers....

You get to convert a few back, but I definitely regretted not having them mid-war and later. When yo start facing a lot of aerial mining you'll need (and lose) a lot of AM/AMc and the DMS are the only ships that get there fast and do the job without getting hit.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/16/2015 8:59:05 PM

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I broke down today, and am having the remaining DMS ships convert to E's. I got hammered hard with mines in 42, and expect to get hammered hard by them again, but for now I need to work on Allied subs and protect those tankers....

You get to convert a few back, but I definitely regretted not having them mid-war and later. When yo start facing a lot of aerial mining you'll need (and lose) a lot of AM/AMc and the DMS are the only ships that get there fast and do the job without getting hit.

Yeah... I have only converted about 8 or so. You get enough E's and potential PBs through the production system.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/17/2015 12:59:53 PM

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No night bombing.

Allies are surging their subs, now around Guam, and also near Singapore. We punish several, two different subs with 2 direct hits, lots of aerial attacks and hits...but they manage to sink an empty Toho class freighter near Singers, and get some good intel.

I rest my sweepers at Chengtu, and Allies CAP over Chengtu knocks down a few Helens.

Trash some more Chinese units...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/17/2015 1:03:35 PM

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I broke down today, and am having the remaining DMS ships convert to E's. I got hammered hard with mines in 42, and expect to get hammered hard by them again, but for now I need to work on Allied subs and protect those tankers....

You get to convert a few back, but I definitely regretted not having them mid-war and later. When yo start facing a lot of aerial mining you'll need (and lose) a lot of AM/AMc and the DMS are the only ships that get there fast and do the job without getting hit.

I was, am, worried about the mines. I have one DMS not converted, so I will hold off and also check into any that I can convert back. Unfortunately, my predecessor lost nearly all of them.

Disappointed to hear that AMs can't cut the mustard, so to speak. Could it be a matter or Leadership or Crew experience? Just checked and my AMs' have dismal experience in the low 40s, while the DMS is up over 60. Throw in bad leaders, no wonder they die...neat to develop a minesweeping training program.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/17/2015 1:12:27 PM

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Ok, a bigger training program is needed. The few AMcs' that are actively out in task forces have experience in the 50'ies, I obviously have found a major flaw in my anti mine operations.

Dock queens, are getting new orders tomorrow.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/17/2015 3:23:02 PM

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I broke down today, and am having the remaining DMS ships convert to E's. I got hammered hard with mines in 42, and expect to get hammered hard by them again, but for now I need to work on Allied subs and protect those tankers....

You get to convert a few back, but I definitely regretted not having them mid-war and later. When yo start facing a lot of aerial mining you'll need (and lose) a lot of AM/AMc and the DMS are the only ships that get there fast and do the job without getting hit.

I was, am, worried about the mines. I have one DMS not converted, so I will hold off and also check into any that I can convert back. Unfortunately, my predecessor lost nearly all of them.

Disappointed to hear that AMs can't cut the mustard, so to speak. Could it be a matter or Leadership or Crew experience? Just checked and my AMs' have dismal experience in the low 40s, while the DMS is up over 60. Throw in bad leaders, no wonder they die...neat to develop a minesweeping training program.

A lot of mine were PBs for most of the game and only converted back later when the threat became really apparent (nights of 1,000 plus mines dropped in a port in the HI by B-29s). So they had sailed around a lot, but trying to clear those fields I'd lose 1-2 a day. The AMs ran out fast, but there were a lot of PBs around to convert and no need for slow escorts anymore, so they got the call.

So if you can get some trained that would be great, but I know there aren't many good leaders for PBs available, and unless they run into a sub or something sailing around may not be enough.

I'd plan to have a few flotillas in the DEI, Chinese coast and in the HI too.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/17/2015 5:03:29 PM

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I broke down today, and am having the remaining DMS ships convert to E's. I got hammered hard with mines in 42, and expect to get hammered hard by them again, but for now I need to work on Allied subs and protect those tankers....

You get to convert a few back, but I definitely regretted not having them mid-war and later. When yo start facing a lot of aerial mining you'll need (and lose) a lot of AM/AMc and the DMS are the only ships that get there fast and do the job without getting hit.

I was, am, worried about the mines. I have one DMS not converted, so I will hold off and also check into any that I can convert back. Unfortunately, my predecessor lost nearly all of them.

Disappointed to hear that AMs can't cut the mustard, so to speak. Could it be a matter or Leadership or Crew experience? Just checked and my AMs' have dismal experience in the low 40s, while the DMS is up over 60. Throw in bad leaders, no wonder they die...neat to develop a minesweeping training program.

A lot of mine were PBs for most of the game and only converted back later when the threat became really apparent (nights of 1,000 plus mines dropped in a port in the HI by B-29s). So they had sailed around a lot, but trying to clear those fields I'd lose 1-2 a day. The AMs ran out fast, but there were a lot of PBs around to convert and no need for slow escorts anymore, so they got the call.

So if you can get some trained that would be great, but I know there aren't many good leaders for PBs available, and unless they run into a sub or something sailing around may not be enough.

I'd plan to have a few flotillas in the DEI, Chinese coast and in the HI too.

This is actually a good argument to produce those remaining Tosu/Kiso PBs/xAKLs in your MerSY queue. They only cost a few points (either 1 or 2 per day = 60 or 120 HI in total), and you'll lose a lot of them. They're short-legged and only 10-12 knot max speed, so perfect for HI mine defense. And minefield tending...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/18/2015 1:17:54 PM

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Sept 4, 1943

No night bombing.

Punish more Allied subs that are definitely blitzing, several cripples heading north from Singers, three others heading for Miri/Camh Ran Bay and one to Oosthaven.

Subs all over the Marianas to Woleai...

A tough day in the air for Japan, Lightning sweeps down several Nicks and then, a large Yank & Brit carrier strike at Truk. I am so happy! Why, you ask? Because I now know where the CVs are! I had been debating about sending more long range assets to search the North Pacific, Perth, Horn Island areas...

Bad timing, as always, on the Truk raid, having just upgraded Zeroes to George and they sat on the repair sheds and got pummeled, losing 9 on the ground.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/18/2015 1:19:18 PM

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Here are the CVs....the Kb is close, very close, almost too close. I have got goosebumps!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/18/2015 1:21:30 PM

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These CV raids are great for me, they are like practicing carrier battles, without me risking my carriers and losing only a fraction of the planes...but it does raise experience for his pilots.

It seems like I need over 100, probably closer to 200 fighters to pose a good defense against CV raids, and need three hundred fighters for a raid on the combined American carriers...tall order.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 1/19/2015 2:42:28 PM

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I am moving away from his CV threat near Truk...and giving thought on how to give them a bloody nose at some point.

Deliberate attack at Chengtu, forts are down to 0, so with a lucky roll I should take the town.

Here is a list of the AMcs' in operation. As you can see the low experience ships are harbor queens; so I gave them all new orders and will track their experience gain over the next few weeks. Hopefully there will be some to report.