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RE: European Championships - 1/11/2015 6:54:08 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 1/11/2015 7:20:07 PM   
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Normal service has been resumed .... I hate football so much




No, you don't.

You love it to much to hate it.

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 1:50:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Jermain Defoe signs for Sunderland - just in time to make his debut for the Black Cats against..... Tottenham Why is that a problem? Well he happens to have scored on his debut for every club he's played for.....

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 2:26:05 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 2:29:13 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 2:32:38 PM   
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It did last week - but we just cannot seem to finish teams off.....
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.....and right on cue


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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 2:36:35 PM   
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It did last week - but we just cannot seem to finish teams off.....
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.....and right on cue


Yeah. But it was Sebastian Larsson that scored.

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 2:37:56 PM   
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It did last week - but we just cannot seem to finish teams off.....

Last week it looked to me that a bad penalty call changed the game.

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 4:38:44 PM   
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So Jermain Defoe signs for Sunderland - just in time to make his debut for the Black Cats against..... Tottenham Why is that a problem? Well he happens to have scored on his debut for every club he's played for.....

That went well.

So did they play Defoe and he missed scoring?

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 4:40:00 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 4:48:20 PM   
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So Jermain Defoe signs for Sunderland - just in time to make his debut for the Black Cats against..... Tottenham Why is that a problem? Well he happens to have scored on his debut for every club he's played for.....

That went well.

So did they play Defoe and he missed scoring?
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Yes - his record is ended


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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 4:48:44 PM   
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Chelsea won 5-0 against Swansea. Chelsea do seem to score a lot of goals considering that they play all out defence.
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TD remains quiet......


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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 4:49:10 PM   
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Chelsea won 5-0 against Swansea. Chelsea do seem to score a lot of goals considering that they play all out defence.
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TD remains quiet......


I noticed.

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 4:55:04 PM   
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Chelsea won 5-0 against Swansea. Chelsea do seem to score a lot of goals considering that they play all out defence.
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TD remains quiet......



Ahhh, someone mentioned Mourinho's team?? Don't get me started, you provocateurs!

Statistics: 51 goals in 22 matches => 2,3 goals per match. Not bad. Still, Chelsea has got a lot of dynamite, TNT forward (you can expect goals). Hopefully Mourinho might see the light. But I doubt it.

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 5:03:58 PM   
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Don't get me started, you provocateurs!

But I do want a update on this so I feel a need to be provocative.

Man City 45 goals, Arsenal 37 goals, Man United 36 goals, Liverpool 31 goals. All in 21 or 22 matches.

It seems to me that Chelsea score more. But do they play more defensive than the other top teams in the league?



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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 5:14:59 PM   
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Man City 45 goals, Arsenal 37 goals, Man United 36 goals, Liverpool 31 goals. All in 21 or 22 matches.

It seems to me that Chelsea score more. But do they play more defensive than the other top teams in the league?


To be honest, I am not following the Premier League this year. Not even the results

So has Mourinho changed his style? I would be very surprised. Anyway, to me the problem is not the lack of goals. It's the *style* You can have very entertaining games which end 0 - 0.

But if it's the old Mourinho and all his players are still inside the "cave" aka near their GK then I imagine that they can effectively mount a couple or more of counterattacks (90 mn is a lot of time) and score these couple of goals minimum. Again, the dynamite and TNT forward do help

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 5:18:45 PM   
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If they scored 5 today, they might score err... 0 on the next match. That is these couple or more counterattacks might not suffice.

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 5:24:58 PM   
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And anyways, these statistics are saying this:

If they scored 5 today, they might score err... 0 on the next match. That is these couple or more counterattacks might not suffice.

Indeed.

But at the same time I would have thought that Swansea would have played defensively when they played Chelsea.

To bad that you have not watched Chelsea this year. An update would have been nice.

Anyway. Thank you for a interesting discussion.

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 5:32:41 PM   
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Man City 45 goals, Arsenal 37 goals, Man United 36 goals, Liverpool 31 goals. All in 21 or 22 matches.

It seems to me that Chelsea score more. But do they play more defensive than the other top teams in the league?


To be honest, I am not following the Premier League this year. Not even the results

So has Mourinho changed his style? I would be very surprised. Anyway, to me the problem is not the lack of goals. It's the *style* You can have very entertaining games which end 0 - 0.

But if it's the old Mourinho and all his players are still inside the "cave" aka near their GK then I imagine that they can effectively mount a couple or more of counterattacks (90 mn is a lot of time) and score these couple of goals minimum. Again, the dynamite and TNT forward do help
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TD one thing is clear from these discussions - we are all proper football fans here - so you don't need to repeat the "You can have very entertaining games which end 0-0" line that IS needed for some

I think its difficult - whoever you are - to "park the bus" and then regularly score 2-3 goals a match - which Chelsea are doing.

Mourinho is really irritating at the moment because he's got his "there's a conspiracy against Chelsea" knickers on But the simple fact is, he's bought well (Costa), he quickly gets rid of dross (De Bruyne), and he gets results.


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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 6:11:05 PM   
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Man City 45 goals, Arsenal 37 goals, Man United 36 goals, Liverpool 31 goals. All in 21 or 22 matches.

It seems to me that Chelsea score more. But do they play more defensive than the other top teams in the league?


To be honest, I am not following the Premier League this year. Not even the results

So has Mourinho changed his style? I would be very surprised. Anyway, to me the problem is not the lack of goals. It's the *style* You can have very entertaining games which end 0 - 0.

But if it's the old Mourinho and all his players are still inside the "cave" aka near their GK then I imagine that they can effectively mount a couple or more of counterattacks (90 mn is a lot of time) and score these couple of goals minimum. Again, the dynamite and TNT forward do help
warspite1

TD one thing is clear from these discussions - we are all proper football fans here - so you don't need to repeat the "You can have very entertaining games which end 0-0" line that IS needed for some

I think its difficult - whoever you are - to "park the bus" and then regularly score 2-3 goals a match - which Chelsea are doing.

Mourinho is really irritating at the moment because he's got his "there's a conspiracy against Chelsea" knickers on But the simple fact is, he's bought well (Costa), he quickly gets rid of dross (De Bruyne), and he gets results.



Hmmm, not necessarily. If you park the bus you concede both the ball and space. The opponent might be imprudent and there you go => dangerous counterattacks

Small teams are more or less forced to do this but (and that's important) they do not have both dynamite and TNT forward but mediocre (with all due respect) players.

The Kings of the few goals aka 1 - 0 or 0 - 1 were the Italians in the early 90s (Arrigo Sacchi's Milan AC IIRC). They deliberately aimed at these results, or if you prefer, when they attained that miserable goal they "killed" the match, did not want a second goal.

Mourinho is a different specimen though. This I know. If his team can bag half dozen goals, perfect! But the plan is the plan. As always, quality is what really matters. And Mourinho has got a lot of that. I mean => BIG budget teams.

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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 6:15:23 PM   
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Man City 45 goals, Arsenal 37 goals, Man United 36 goals, Liverpool 31 goals. All in 21 or 22 matches.

It seems to me that Chelsea score more. But do they play more defensive than the other top teams in the league?


To be honest, I am not following the Premier League this year. Not even the results

So has Mourinho changed his style? I would be very surprised. Anyway, to me the problem is not the lack of goals. It's the *style* You can have very entertaining games which end 0 - 0.

But if it's the old Mourinho and all his players are still inside the "cave" aka near their GK then I imagine that they can effectively mount a couple or more of counterattacks (90 mn is a lot of time) and score these couple of goals minimum. Again, the dynamite and TNT forward do help
warspite1

TD one thing is clear from these discussions - we are all proper football fans here - so you don't need to repeat the "You can have very entertaining games which end 0-0" line that IS needed for some

I think its difficult - whoever you are - to "park the bus" and then regularly score 2-3 goals a match - which Chelsea are doing.

Mourinho is really irritating at the moment because he's got his "there's a conspiracy against Chelsea" knickers on But the simple fact is, he's bought well (Costa), he quickly gets rid of dross (De Bruyne), and he gets results.



Hmmm, not necessarily. If you park the bus you concede both the ball and space. The opponent might be imprudent and there you go => dangerous counterattacks

Small teams are more or less forced to do this but (and that's important) they do not have both dynamite and TNT forward but mediocre (with all due respect) players.

The Kings of the few goals aka 1 - 0 or 0 - 1 were the Italians in the early 90s (Arrigo Sacchi's Milan AC IIRC). They deliberately aimed at these results, or if you prefer, when they attained that miserable goal they "killed" the match, did not want a second goal.

Mourinho is a different specimen though. This I know. If his team can bag half dozen goals, perfect! But the plan is the plan. As always, quality is what really matters. And Mourinho has got a lot of that. I mean => BIG budget teams.
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Heehee I think we've been here before

BTW who do you follow?


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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 6:19:32 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 1/17/2015 6:20:58 PM   
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Heehee I think we've been here before


Yes, we already argued this to death!

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RE: European Championships - 1/18/2015 6:04:57 AM   
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...refereeing standards appear to have fallen off a cliff this season

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2914845/Worst-decision-Jan-Vertonghen-goal-disallowed-against-Sunderland-despite-receiving-ball-half.html

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RE: European Championships - 1/18/2015 6:14:42 AM   
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Oh dear....

...refereeing standards appear to have fallen off a cliff this season

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2914845/Worst-decision-Jan-Vertonghen-goal-disallowed-against-Sunderland-despite-receiving-ball-half.html

I rather suspect that the standard is as it always has been or even better.

Press are just getting better reporting it.

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RE: European Championships - 1/18/2015 6:33:16 AM   
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Oh dear....

...refereeing standards appear to have fallen off a cliff this season

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2914845/Worst-decision-Jan-Vertonghen-goal-disallowed-against-Sunderland-despite-receiving-ball-half.html

I rather suspect that the standard is as it always has been or even better.

Press are just getting better reporting it.
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Not really. There have been a number of pretty major errors this season, calls for some refs to be stood down and for the refs boss to be replaced. With television at every ground and the numbers of cameras increasing there is much more chance of problems being noticed. But that is not what is happening here. This is a particular drop off seen this season and some real howlers being made.

This is a classic example - i.e. the linesman (and the ref who was RIGHT behind Vertonghen) did not miss the incident (they had clear sight), they did not interpret wrongly (typically where an incident happens too quickly) - no, in this case they simply forgot the basic rule that one CANNOT be offside in their own half.

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RE: European Championships - 1/21/2015 5:01:12 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 1/21/2015 8:18:56 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 1/21/2015 8:54:57 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 1/21/2015 9:59:10 PM   
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Not great.....

Not bad either.

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