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Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/5/2015 2:32:54 AM

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I've searched the forum and must be too tired to find it or the solution because I can't believe I am the first to meet this issue.

At present the Communists control only Lanchow and Sian. I have more Chinese Communist units arriving than there is room to place them. I am unable to place the excess unit (as all city adjacent hexes are Nationalist), destroy it or return it to the production chart.

Bug or sleep deprived stupidity?

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/5/2015 2:24:36 PM

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If you could post a save it would be easier to see what happened.

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/5/2015 7:43:29 PM

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Here's the save

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/5/2015 8:30:07 PM

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The part that is a bug is that the game should recognize that the unit can't be placed and should send it back to ride the spiral. By the rules, it cannot be placed so that part is right. (ChiComms only control cities and any other hexes controlled by China (even when reconquered by the ChiComs) - end up controlled by the Natios, so Off-city reinforcement isn't an option.

I suggest to continue your game, as long as die rolls are controllable, you could find a save from just prior to turn end, artificially keep the turn going, pass and do nothing with everyone except USSR and move the one unit out of Sian. Then artificially end the turn after ensuring the same side that ended it does so again (so initiative modifier will be the same).

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/5/2015 9:06:55 PM

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As I read the off city reinforcement rule the Chinese Communists should be able to be placed next to a Chinese Communist city even though the hex itself is controlled by the Nationalist Chinese.

I control the hex so I can place my Communist units in it even though it is considered a nationalist hex. China is the home country for the Communists as well.

Option 15: (Off city reinforcement) if you can�t place a reinforcement anywhere without breaking the
stacking rules, you may put it into a hex you control (not in an enemy ZOC) in the unit�s home country that is
next to a city where you could have placed it except for the stacking rules. You can�t do this with naval
units. Only 1 unit per city may be placed in this fashion each turn.

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/5/2015 10:32:08 PM

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Yes, this particular play has the Option 15 enabled.

I would have bet it was something I was missing, but it looks like I'll have to work around this. Fortunately, what is not shown in the save is the Sian Militia arrived this turn. I can just go back to the production and tweak the build.

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/6/2015 5:05:43 AM

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Did you miss one of the cities? There's one north of LanChow in the desert.

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/6/2015 5:48:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Larry Smith

Did you miss one of the cities? There's one north of LanChow in the desert.

I checked the save. He is not using the extra cities.

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/6/2015 6:04:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

As I read the off city reinforcement rule the Chinese Communists should be able to be placed next to a Chinese Communist city even though the hex itself is controlled by the Nationalist Chinese.

I control the hex so I can place my Communist units in it even though it is considered a nationalist hex. China is the home country for the Communists as well.

Option 15: (Off city reinforcement) if you can�t place a reinforcement anywhere without breaking the
stacking rules, you may put it into a hex you control (not in an enemy ZOC) in the unit�s home country that is
next to a city where you could have placed it except for the stacking rules. You can�t do this with naval
units. Only 1 unit per city may be placed in this fashion each turn.

Yes - probably. The ChiCom rule also says one difference with them is reinforcement placement and reinforcement placement says they can't be placed in a Natio controlled city, so by extension they can not be placed in a Natio controlled hex. But as you pointed out, that is directly contradicted by Option 15.

So another case where the MWiF general coding is being tricked by a special situation arising from an optional rule.

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/8/2015 1:14:50 AM

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I was playing with the save to see if I could find an invisible extra city even though that option wasn't selected; and I got the "return to production" pop-up to appear by doing all the Chinese units first.

Could it be an issue with the Chinese unit being the last one the Russian is placing? This same save has repeatedly left me with no option when the unit was the last one I was placing.

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/8/2015 1:17:11 AM

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Oh, and if it's important...I had the unit resolution toggle on medium when I got the pop-up. Who knows, maybe only medium res Chinese Communists can go back to production; the high res ones are too decadent.

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RE: Unable to place Chinese Communist Unit - 3/8/2015 2:54:12 AM

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Have a Cultural Revolution and punish the high res ones.

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