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RE: 1944 June 22 - 4/6/2015 7:19:36 PM   
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OK. Then maybe a first daytime strike, second strike on Nagoya at might.

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RE: 1944 June 22 - 4/6/2015 7:46:33 PM   
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I am aware you can't CAP the strikes yet on the HI, but night bombing is effective and less damage on the b29 pools. Sure they are less effective than daytime strikes, but you will find you can't maintain any kind of bombing campaign during the day over the HI from the Marianas. Raids yes, but campaigns no, your losses will be way too heavy.

Not just losses, but the turnaround time for the aircraft maintenance and crew rests. The raid with less than 50 bombers at half load will be a pinpri*k but if it keeps the defence guessing it achieves one of its purposes, even if the damage is light.

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RE: 1944 June 22 - 4/6/2015 10:11:29 PM   
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I could get more than 100 if all are ready, but that would take a dogs age. I certainly will wait until i have maybe 3/4 of them ready to go.

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1944 June 23 - 4/7/2015 7:13:04 AM   
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1944 June 23

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:


Our subs got two xAK, a PB, and CV Kaga.
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Sub attack near Djemadja at 52,83

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Torpedo hits 1
CA Suzuya
CA Mogami
CL Naka
CL Sendai
DD Kawakaze
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
SS Paddle

SS Paddle launches 6 torpedoes at CV Kaga
DD Kawakaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Samidare fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Samidare fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Samidare attacking submerged sub ....
DD Samidare fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Samidare fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Samidare fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Quiet in China. Tomorrow we make our next attack between Tsuyung and Kunming. A 105 mm equipped arty unit has joined the party and two HQ units have moved out of hex to ease over stacking.

Tough first attack at Rangoon, and a number of the 4EB went of merchant hunting! That might have had something to do with it. The troops at Rangoon will rest, but SW of Toungoo and between Toungoo and Prome the attacks will continue tomorrow. And as soon as the Imperials are cleared SW of Toungoo there will be a lot more firepower and a lot more troops coming to bear on Rangoon's defenders.
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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 135918 troops, 2313 guns, 3095 vehicles, Assault Value = 4491

Defending force 80263 troops, 518 guns, 264 vehicles, Assault Value = 2043

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 3517

Japanese adjusted defense: 4371

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4899 casualties reported
Squads: 69 destroyed, 189 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 108 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 48 (4 destroyed, 44 disabled)
Vehicles lost 58 (36 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7102 casualties reported
Squads: 66 destroyed, 803 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 244 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 125 disabled
Guns lost 97 (4 destroyed, 93 disabled)
Vehicles lost 356 (14 destroyed, 342 disabled)

Assaulting units:
150th RAC Regiment
27th Infantry Division
255th Indian Tank Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment
26th Indian Division
18th Cavalry Regiment
192nd Tank Battalion
72nd British Brigade
25th Indian Division
50th Tank Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
14th LRP Brigade
14th Indian Division
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
20th Indian Division
81st (West African) Division
254th Armoured Brigade
Americal Infantry Division
Gardner's Horse Regiment
18th British Division
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
5th Indian Division
2/1st Med Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Indian Corps
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
18th Garrison Unit
19th Tank Regiment
63rd Inf Group Brigade
9th Division
3rd/C Division
114th Infantry Regiment
33rd Division
3rd/A Division
21st/B Division
19th Division
16th Garrison Unit
1st RTA/A Division
1st RTA/B Division
47th Infantry Regiment
15th Army
1st RF Gun Battalion
20th AA Regiment
28th Army
62nd JAAF AF Bn


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Ground combat at 56,53 (near Pegu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5888 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 227

Defending force 3216 troops, 22 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 56

Allied adjusted assault: 193

Japanese adjusted defense: 23

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
824 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 7 disabled
Units retreated 3

Allied ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
5307th Composite Regiment
Lushai Brigade

Defending units:
7th RTA/B Division
1st RTA/C Division
5th Field Construction Battalion



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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Shock attack Only the Provisional Tank Brigade made a shock attack.

Attacking force 79197 troops, 798 guns, 755 vehicles, Assault Value = 2314

Defending force 24751 troops, 235 guns, 74 vehicles, Assault Value = 574

Allied adjusted assault: 1080

Japanese adjusted defense: 953

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1186 casualties reported
Squads: 84 destroyed, 135 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 32 (22 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1389 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 95 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 65 (10 destroyed, 55 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Provisionl Tank Brigade
23rd Indian Division
Rifles of Canada Battalion
3rd New Chinese Corps
22nd New Chinese Division
96th Chinese Division
7th Indian Division
29th British Brigade
19th Indian Division
22nd (East African) Brigade
11th PAVO Regiment
36th Chinese Division
88th Chinese Division
8th New Chinese Corps
2nd Reserve Division
IV Indian Corps
27th Indian Field Artillery Battalion
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
1st Mobile Infantry Regiment
40th Division
40th Inf Group Brigade
77th Infantry Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment


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Ground combat at 56,50 (near Prome)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2732 troops, 27 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 154

Defending force 8616 troops, 97 guns, 56 vehicles, Assault Value = 127

Allied adjusted assault: 69

Japanese adjusted defense: 113

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
268th Motorised Brigade This unit just arrived, all three will attack tomorrow.
2nd Loyal Battalion
8th Indian Brigade

Defending units:
2nd Guards Division
34th Field AA Battalion
16th AA Regiment



After most of the 4EB raids, which did at least wear out the CAP from Bangkok, this carrier strike from 7 hexes got some work done.
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bangkok at 56,62

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 12
Barracuda II x 15
Corsair II x 34
Wildcat V x 6

Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Kogyoku Maru
xAK Sinko Maru
xAK Kogane Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Kinugawa Maru, Bomb hits 1
xAK Asuka Maru, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Takao Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 18 (2 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Barracuda II bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x Barracuda II launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
12 x Albacore I bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Kogane Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Asuka Maru


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With the arrival of a large convoy at Moulmein we are moving in 2x squadrons of P-47D25 and one of P-51B. A torpedo armed squadron of Beaufighters have moved in also, plus 2x of those squadrons moved to Pegu. Moulmein is not fully repaired, but the runways are fine and remaining service area damage will be repaired in perhaps a day. The port will take another day or two after that.

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Allied Ships Bombarding Babar
Allied Ships Bombarding Rangoon
Allied Ships Bombarding Pagan

The kamikazes came and one attack got through. APA Leonard Wood was lost. Here is the battle when they got through, and it looked like a whole lot fewer than 264 Hellcats engaged at any one time. APA President Adams has significant flooding and has separated with a DD into a Transport TF. She will hide among the carriers until she can unload at a friendly CRB and pump out.
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Cam Ranh Bay at 65,74

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
A6M5 Zero x 26

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 21
F6F-3 Hellcat x 264

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 16 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
APA Leonard Wood, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APA W.A. Holbrook, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Meredith
APA President Monroe, Kamikaze hits 1
APA President Adams, Kamikaze hits 2
DD Gwin
APA Callaway, Kamikaze hits 1
DE Neuendorf, Kamikaze hits 1
APA President Hayes, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Cambria
APA American Legion, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Joseph T. Dickman, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Hunter Liggett, Kamikaze hits 1

Allied ground losses:
152 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x A6M5 Zero flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-17 with F4U-1A Corsair (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 12000.
Raid is overhead
VF-34 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
VF-40 with F6F-3 Hellcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 12000.
Raid is overhead
VF-1 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
VF-2 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
VF-3 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
VF-42 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
VF-6 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
VF-8 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
VF-9 with F6F-3 Hellcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
VF-10 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
VF-11 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
VF-16 with F6F-3 Hellcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Raid is overhead
VF-18 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
VF-71 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
VC(F)-20 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
VC(F)-21 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
VC(F)-27 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
VC(F)-33 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 13 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
VF-35 with F6F-3 Hellcat (2 airborne, 6 on standby, 19 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes



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Followup convoys are beginning to hold just NW of Balabac to await carrier escort. Even that position is somewhat risky.

It looks like there is some air transfer going on!
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931 Unit location - Bangkok (56,62) - 1/19th Division

I've checked on the B-29s. There are 8 left at Watampone repairing before catching up with their groups. Of the rest at Tinian and Saipan, 96 are ready, which is the vast majority with only 2 repairing. Forecast again over Japan is rain. Recon was degraded today by either weather or a shoot down. They will strike as soon as the weather is predicted to clear.

This is most (minus one DD off screen) of the convoy that was hit near Cam Ranh Bay. They'll start landing tonight with lots of armour, AA, and artillery to support them. All 4 old battleship TFs will bombard to suppress the airfield. The CVs will stand 1 hex SE while the CVEs escort the invasion in close to CRB. The real question is how many kamikaze squadrons will be moved to Dalat (2), Saigon(5), and Bien Hoa(5), and Kratie(3). There are other fields 2 or larger a little farther away, but those are closest so most dangerous.




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RE: 1944 June 23 - 4/7/2015 7:14:16 AM   
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The South China Sea. Kaga was torpedoed 2 hexes east of Mersing and the IJN carriers are now 2 hexes east of Singapore. The TF off Quinhon scouts as 5 ships, 4x DD and 1x E. The TFs to the west of Cam Ranh Bay appear to be small ASW units. Cruisers will patrol the flanks of the invasion.




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RE: 1944 June 23 - 4/7/2015 7:14:41 AM   
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Burma. Two divisions will attack three enemy units SE of Moulmein.




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RE: 1944 June 23 - 4/7/2015 7:15:03 AM   
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Today's air losses.




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RE: 1944 June 23 - 4/9/2015 7:54:11 AM   
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Looks like the oil/fuel has been shut down and any overland movement of the remaining will shut down with your SE Asia landing. That's going to hurt him very soon. If you have air superiority over bigger ports hitting the port stores could also hurt.

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RE: 1944 June 23 - 4/9/2015 1:01:06 PM   
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Looks like the oil/fuel has been shut down and any overland movement of the remaining will shut down with your SE Asia landing. That's going to hurt him very soon. If you have air superiority over bigger ports hitting the port stores could also hurt.

Good point. None yet, unless you count possible B-29 strikes. In the cut-off SRA I intend to go the opposite way, hitting the Heavy Industry that he can feed and then the Light Industry to begin strangling supply to troops there.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

Looks like the oil/fuel has been shut down and any overland movement of the remaining will shut down with your SE Asia landing. That's going to hurt him very soon. If you have air superiority over bigger ports hitting the port stores could also hurt.

Good point. None yet, unless you count possible B-29 strikes. In the cut-off SRA I intend to go the opposite way, hitting the Heavy Industry that he can feed and then the Light Industry to begin strangling supply to troops there.


Yeah. You should be able to get just about all of the HI/LI knocked out, and speaking from experience, this does begin to put the squeeze on.

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RE: 1944 June 23 - 4/9/2015 1:53:51 PM   
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There is already a significant reduction in fighters at Soerabaja and that is well within range of Watampone. I plan to fly in a bunch of B-24 groups (it's size 9 with a big overload of air support) and begin striking within a few turns. First attack on the airfield, then the industries.

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RE: 1944 June 22 - 4/10/2015 6:24:36 PM   
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Give us some details on how you plan on using your 4E beasts in Saipan/Tinian.

Cam Ranh Bay will absolutely stun Japan; to follow up I would try to get some paratroopers to hit those Indochina rail base hexes Udon, Ubon and Ayuthia.



Well, you were right!

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1944 June 24 - 4/10/2015 6:25:34 PM   
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1944 June 24

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:
Melak

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Cam Ranh Bay

Our subs got a PB.

The attack between Tsuyung and Kunming made a little more relative progress. We're going to swap out the Chinese Army corps for another with upgraded squads, more (current) AV, and lower stacking value. Those movements will take about a week.
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Ground combat at 68,47 (near Kunming)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28358 troops, 275 guns, 320 vehicles, Assault Value = 769

Defending force 11595 troops, 27 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 295

Allied adjusted assault: 303

Japanese adjusted defense: 1054

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
462 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
979 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 110 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 14 (2 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Assaulting units:
16th Chinese Corps
754th Tank Battalion
1st Army Tank Regiment
9th Australian Division
1st Group Army
22nd Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
67th Infantry Brigade


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Our forces on the road to Rahaeng were stymied. A Bde will join them shortly and other forces at Moulmein have been ordered up to assist. Other attacks in Burma went well even though the enemy SW of Toungoo held its rear guard action firm. But they did pay the price.
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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 77987 troops, 797 guns, 750 vehicles, Assault Value = 2147

Defending force 23068 troops, 217 guns, 74 vehicles, Assault Value = 474

Allied adjusted assault: 1025

Japanese adjusted defense: 737

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3169 casualties reported
Squads: 151 destroyed, 77 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 51 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 28 (11 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (2 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1823 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 259 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (2 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd New Chinese Corps
22nd New Chinese Division
29th British Brigade
7th Indian Division
8th New Chinese Corps
Rifles of Canada Battalion
23rd Indian Division
88th Chinese Division
19th Indian Division
11th PAVO Regiment
96th Chinese Division
36th Chinese Division
22nd (East African) Brigade
Provisionl Tank Brigade
2nd Reserve Division
27th Indian Field Artillery Battalion
IV Indian Corps
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
40th Inf Group Brigade
40th Division
77th Infantry Regiment
1st Mobile Infantry Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment


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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3982 troops, 270 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 3710

Defending force 73483 troops, 478 guns, 229 vehicles, Assault Value = 1639

Japanese ground losses:
186 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Gardner's Horse Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
14th Indian Division
20th Indian Division
150th RAC Regiment
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
18th Cavalry Regiment
192nd Tank Battalion
25th Indian Division
Americal Infantry Division
26th Indian Division
72nd British Brigade
27th Infantry Division
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
18th British Division
14th LRP Brigade
255th Indian Tank Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment
81st (West African) Division
50th Tank Brigade
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
5th Indian Division
88th Medium Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
XV Indian Corps
56th Heavy Regiment
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
1st RTA/A Division
19th Division
63rd Inf Group Brigade
16th Garrison Unit
3rd/C Division
21st/B Division
114th Infantry Regiment
9th Division
33rd Division
3rd/A Division
1st RTA/B Division
47th Infantry Regiment
15th Army
1st RF Gun Battalion
18th Garrison Unit
20th AA Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
28th Army
62nd JAAF AF Bn


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Ground combat at 56,50 (near Prome)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5671 troops, 79 guns, 170 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

Defending force 8556 troops, 97 guns, 56 vehicles, Assault Value = 126

Allied adjusted assault: 100

Japanese adjusted defense: 51

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
176 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
268th Motorised Brigade
2nd Loyal Battalion
8th Indian Brigade

Defending units:
2nd Guards Division
16th AA Regiment


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Ground combat at 56,56 (near Moulmein)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23589 troops, 359 guns, 201 vehicles, Assault Value = 660

Defending force 12402 troops, 94 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 350

Allied adjusted assault: 222

Japanese adjusted defense: 461

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: op mode(-)

Japanese ground losses:
489 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1175 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 121 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 34 (3 destroyed, 31 disabled)

Assaulting units:
2nd British Division
17th Indian Division

Defending units:
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
113th Infantry Regiment
4th RTA Division



Air attacks on Rangoon are knocking down lots of enemy squads and even though our ground troops are nearly fully recovered we will still wait for the additional weight of the forces now SW of Toungoo before making the next assault. The day was not all sugar plums in this theater as we did lose 7x P-47D25 on escort over Bangkok Harbor.
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bangkok at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 15
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
xAK Sinko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
xAK Nippo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Kogyoku Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Beaufighter TF.X launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai/C with Ki-84a Frank (4 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 19000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
24th Sentai/B with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bangkok at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 2

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 14
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Sinko Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
xAK Kogyoku Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Kinugawa Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x Beaufighter TF.X launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
7 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 15000 feet *
3 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 15000 feet *
4 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 15000 feet *

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai/C with Ki-84a Frank (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 19000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
24th Sentai/B with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes

Massive explosion on xAK Kogyoku Maru


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bangkok at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 15
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 17

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Ikushima Maru
xAK Norfolk Maru, Shell hits 3, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Kinugawa Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Beaufighter TF.X launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
2 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai/C with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 19000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bangkok at 56,62

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 12
Barracuda II x 15
Corsair II x 34
Wildcat V x 5

Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 4 damaged
Barracuda II: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Nippo Maru, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk
xAK Ikushima Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Barracuda II bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x Barracuda II launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
12 x Albacore I bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Nippo Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Ikushima Maru


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Moulmein airfield is fully repaired and port damage stands at 40%

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Allied Ships Bombarding Babar
Allied Ships Bombarding Cam Ranh Bay
Allied Ships Bombarding Cam Ranh Bay
Allied Ships Bombarding Cam Ranh Bay
Allied Ships Bombarding Pagan
Allied Ships Bombarding Cam Ranh Bay

All troops unloaded at Cam Ranh Bay and the defensive guns, while firing plenty, seemed to be no real trouble (DD Bullard with Oklahoma will need some yard time) and there was no ground bombardment. The first attack is tomorrow. There was only one kamikaze attack and it was repelled by CAP. Saigon now has 61 fighters and 32 bombers, so a 3x CL TF and a 4x CA TF have been ordered to to bombard tonight. Five convoys with follow-on forces now just NW of Balabac have been ordered direct to CRB. Some of the fleet carriers will pull back to provide escort.

Today's Imperial newspapers are full of recriminations such as "I would say the Empire was caught with its pants down, but it's more like it wasn't even wearing pants!" The first real hint of that was the evacuation encountered after our target was made clear yesterday. I'm not sure about the direction of travel of the AO convoy (I think it was spotted closer to CRB and heading SW the previous day), but they were caught far up the coast. What seem to be ASW forces were caught just 4 hexes south of Samah. The real telltale - daytime surface attacks by our forces in these waters far from the carriers' protective CAP and - no air strikes in retribution. There is no sign of the IJN carriers.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Cam Ranh Bay at 64,72, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
ARD Haiphong ARD

Allied Ships
CVE Corregidor
CVE Kalinin Bay
CVE White Plains
CVE Kitkun Bay
CVE Gambier Bay
CVE Nehenta Bay
CVE Savo Island
CVE Fanshaw Bay
CVE Kadashan Bay
CVE Hoggatt Bay
CVE Marcus Island
CVE Tulagi
CVE Kasaan Bay
DD Woodworth
DD Caldwell
DE Cabana
DE Donaldson
DE Mitchell

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 14% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 14% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Cam Ranh Bay at 64,72, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
ARD Haiphong ARD

Allied Ships
CVE Ommaney Bay
CVE Rudyerd Bay
CVE Saginaw Bay
CVE Shipley Bay
CVE Sitkoh Bay
CVE Steamer Bay
CVE Shamrock Bay
DD Prichett
DD Robinson
DE Greenwood
DE Loeser
DE Lovelace

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 14% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 14% moonlight: 4,000 yards
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range increases to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range increases to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range increases to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range increases to 15,000 yards...
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Range increases to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 17,000 yards
Range increases to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range increases to 21,000 yards...
Range increases to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range increases to 13,000 yards...
Range increases to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range increases to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Range increases to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 5,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
Range increases to 15,000 yards...
Range increases to 20,000 yards...
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Cam Ranh Bay at 64,72, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
ARD Haiphong ARD, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Colorado
DD Abner Read
DD Hughes
DD Russell

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 14% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 14% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 28,000 yards
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards
Smith, Alan Edward crosses the 'T'
ARD Haiphong ARD sunk by BB Colorado at 2,000 yards
ARD Haiphong ARD sunk by BB Colorado at 2,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tourane at 69,68, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Shimozuki
DD Asashio, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
E No.28, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Shioya, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Ashizuri, Shell hits 15, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Boston
DD Lewis Hancock
DD Laws, Shell hits 1
DD Stembel, Shell hits 1

Reduced sighting due to 14% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 14% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 26,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 22,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
DD Shimozuki engages DD Stembel at 6,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Laws at 6,000 yards
DD Laws engages AO Shioya at 6,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Laws at 6,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Stembel at 6,000 yards
CA Boston engages E No.28 at 6,000 yards
CA Boston engages AO Ashizuri at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Stembel at 3,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Stembel at 3,000 yards
DD Laws engages DD Asashio at 3,000 yards
DD Stembel engages AO Ashizuri at 3,000 yards
DD Stembel engages AO Shioya at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Laws engages DD Asashio at 2,000 yards
DD Shimozuki engages DD Stembel at 2,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Laws at 2,000 yards
DD Lewis Hancock engages AO Ashizuri at 2,000 yards
DD Stembel engages AO Shioya at 2,000 yards
CA Boston engages AO Ashizuri at 2,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Stembel at 2,000 yards
E No.28 sunk by CA Boston at 2,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Samah at 69,67, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Asashio, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Pensacola
CA Salt Lake City
DD Callaghan
DD Longshaw
DD Miller, Shell hits 1

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 14% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 14% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards
DD Miller engages DD Asashio at 2,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Miller at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Miller at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
CA Salt Lake City engages DD Asashio at 6,000 yards
DD Longshaw engages DD Asashio at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
CA Salt Lake City engages DD Asashio at 7,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Quinhon at 67,70, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMc Wa 3

Allied Ships
CA Boston
DD Lewis Hancock
DD Laws
DD Stembel

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
Japanese TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 21,000 yards...
Range increases to 22,000 yards...
Range increases to 23,000 yards...
Range increases to 24,000 yards...
Range increases to 25,000 yards...
Range increases to 26,000 yards...
Range increases to 27,000 yards...
Range increases to 28,000 yards...
Range increases to 29,000 yards...
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Japanese Local MineSweeping TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Quinhon at 67,69, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMc Wa 3, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Newcomb
DD Walke
DD Morris
CL Stugots

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 20,000 yards
AMc Wa 3 sunk by CL Stugots at 20,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Quinhon at 66,70, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Saiko Maru, Shell hits 20, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Pensacola
CA Salt Lake City
DD Callaghan
DD Longshaw
DD Miller

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 26,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Merrill, A.S. "Tip" crosses the 'T'
CA Salt Lake City engages PB Saiko Maru at 20,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages PB Saiko Maru at 20,000 yards
CA Chester engages PB Saiko Maru at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards
CA Salt Lake City engages PB Saiko Maru at 18,000 yards
CA Chester engages PB Saiko Maru at 18,000 yards
CA Northampton engages PB Saiko Maru at 18,000 yards
DD Miller engages PB Saiko Maru at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards
CA Northampton engages PB Saiko Maru at 17,000 yards
DD Miller engages PB Saiko Maru at 17,000 yards
DD Callaghan engages PB Saiko Maru at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
CA Chester engages PB Saiko Maru at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CA Salt Lake City engages PB Saiko Maru at 11,000 yards
PB Saiko Maru sunk by CA Pensacola at 11,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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Japanese troops are again landing at Torishima, with similar escorts as last time. Our TBs made two unsuccessful attacks on destroyers there. Tomorrow a P-47D25 group will sweep in case LRCAP is provided. Recon of Nagoya should pick up again tomorrow, weather partly cloudy. B-29 strike on hold.

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The South China Sea. Will the Emperor's carriers make a death ride?




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Here is the complete combat report.

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Fortune favours the bold ... complete surprise achieved! Well done! B-Z

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Depressing results. Poor CD guns were no match.

Japan is so hosed if you take Cam Ranh Bay...no naval escape, you will be in Vinh before his Army from Burma & Indochina can make it, and no way is there enough supplies in Singers to support everything.

Ouch, and double ouch.

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The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:


Our subs got a PB and CV Akagi.
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Sub attack near Singkawang at 55,86

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi, Torpedo hits 2
CA Suzuya
CA Mogami
CL Naka
CL Sendai
DD Hatsukaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Samidare
DD Michishio

Allied Ships
SS Peto, hits 4

SS Peto launches 6 torpedoes at CV Akagi
Peto bottoming out ....
DD Kawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Samidare fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Michishio attacking submerged sub ....
DD Kawakaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Samidare fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Michishio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Michishio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Michishio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Michishio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Michishio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Michishio fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Quiet in China.

The air strikes on Rangoon are really making a dent, better than 100 reduction in raw AV from yesterday. SW of Toungoo the rear-guard stands firm but continues to take large casualties destroyed. Our troops are very, very tired and need a break, but if they rest the Imperial rear-guard will slip away. It's a bit chancy from a casualty viewpoint, but the attack will be ordered to continue. The B-24s will lay off Rangoon for a day and lend their support to tomorrow's attack. Between Prome and Toungoo we have finally retreated the remnants of that wayward division. It is now in the open and will suffer much more from air attacks. various units will surround it and destroy it.
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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 76513 troops, 797 guns, 748 vehicles, Assault Value = 1954

Defending force 20558 troops, 209 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 372

Allied adjusted assault: 947

Japanese adjusted defense: 1101

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1704 casualties reported
Squads: 118 destroyed, 81 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 71 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 27 (22 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1643 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 155 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd New Chinese Corps
29th British Brigade
96th Chinese Division
11th PAVO Regiment
22nd New Chinese Division
36th Chinese Division
19th Indian Division
Rifles of Canada Battalion
88th Chinese Division
7th Indian Division
8th New Chinese Corps
23rd Indian Division
22nd (East African) Brigade
Provisionl Tank Brigade
2nd Reserve Division
IV Indian Corps
27th Indian Field Artillery Battalion
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
40th Inf Group Brigade
40th Division
77th Infantry Regiment
1st Mobile Infantry Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment


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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3982 troops, 270 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 3787

Defending force 70992 troops, 437 guns, 229 vehicles, Assault Value = 1535

Japanese ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
254th Armoured Brigade
25th Indian Division
18th British Division
255th Indian Tank Brigade
72nd British Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
50th Tank Brigade
27th Infantry Division
3rd Cavalry Regiment
81st (West African) Division
Americal Infantry Division
150th RAC Regiment
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
14th LRP Brigade
14th Indian Division
20th Indian Division
26th Indian Division
18th Cavalry Regiment
Gardner's Horse Regiment
5th Indian Division
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Indian Corps
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
9th Division
63rd Inf Group Brigade
114th Infantry Regiment
1st RTA/A Division
21st/B Division
3rd/C Division
16th Garrison Unit
19th Division
33rd Division
3rd/A Division
1st RTA/B Division
20th AA Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
18th Garrison Unit
28th Army
15th Army
47th Infantry Regiment
62nd JAAF AF Bn


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Ground combat at 56,50 (near Prome)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5676 troops, 79 guns, 170 vehicles, Assault Value = 238

Defending force 8383 troops, 96 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 113

Allied adjusted assault: 99

Japanese adjusted defense: 41

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1956 casualties reported
Squads: 97 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 69 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 15 (11 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (7 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
268th Motorised Brigade
13th Indian Brigade Just arrived - not in combat.
8th Indian Brigade
2nd Loyal Battalion
26th Indian Brigade Just arrived - not in combat.

Defending units:
2nd Guards Division
16th AA Regiment


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Our P-47 group sweeping Bangkok got revenge for yesterday's fracas. Prince of Wales arrived at Aden and is proceeding on-map.

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Allied Ships Bombarding Babar
Allied Ships Bombarding Saigon
Allied Ships Bombarding Pagan

It looks like a unit will arrive by rail at Cam Ranh Bay tomorrow. The USA 503rd Parachute Rgt, which had been slated to land on the rail line to CRB's right, will land at the exposed rail line two hexes to CRB's left. That is where the other flanker was going to land but they are even farther behind. Additional supplies were landed today and shore battery fire was enthusiastic but uneventful. Our troops have some what high disruption after today's attack but will attack tomorrow anyway. The units that start landing tomorrow will begin attacking the following day. With another, unknown, unit arriving tomorrow its looks like CRB will be a bit of a fight.
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Ground combat at Cam Ranh Bay (64,72)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12574 troops, 271 guns, 515 vehicles, Assault Value = 497

Defending force 10765 troops, 94 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 304

Allied adjusted assault: 401

Japanese adjusted defense: 250

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), disruption(-)
preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
755 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 53 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
195 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 37 (1 destroyed, 36 disabled)

Assaulting units:
776th Amphib Tank Battalion
31st Infantry Division
706th Tank Battalion
711th Tank Battalion
1st Medium Regiment
109th Anti Tank Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment
57th Australian Lt AA Regiment

Defending units:
104th/A Division
104th/C Division
Cam Ranh Fortress
109th JAAF AF Bn
113th JAAF AF Bn


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The CL bombardment of Saigon was fantastic. While there were some kamikazes in the sky over CRB they were stopped cold. The CAs did not get there, and will bombard Cam Ranh Bay tonight instead.
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Night Naval bombardment of Saigon at 60,71 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 122 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 6 destroyed on ground
D3A2 Val: 12 damaged
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 39 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M2 Zero: 17 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 6 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

22 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
AS Chogei, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CL Mobile
CL Cleveland
CL St. Louis

Japanese ground losses:
411 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 50 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Airbase hits 27
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 108

SOC-1 Seagull acting as spotter for CL Mobile
CL Mobile firing at Saigon
CL Cleveland firing at Saigon
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CL St. Louis
CL St. Louis firing at Cape St.Jaques Fortress
Cape St.Jaques Fortress firing at CL St. Louis


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Our aircraft hit a CL at Torishima.
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Torishima at 111,68

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 17
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 16
TBF-1 Avenger x 18

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CL Yahagi, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Noshiro
DD Numakaze

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
2 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.
1 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 4000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb



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Rain over Nagoya tomorrow, but our recon is back up to full DL.

The South China Sea. The IJN carriers were apparently trying to slip south of the subs they saw and ran into the ones they didn't see. The IJN carriers are 2 hexes NW of Singkawang. Both Jesselton and Tarakan have aircraft that can spoil a carrier group's day. Weather forecast for tomorrow is rain.




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Air losses. Akagi is reported sunk, but if so most of her planes landed elsewhere.




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Fortune favours the bold ... complete surprise achieved! Well done! B-Z

Thanks! Lots of work still to do of course. Floundering on the beach, so to speak, could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Depressing results. Poor CD guns were no match.

Japan is so hosed if you take Cam Ranh Bay...no naval escape, you will be in Vinh before his Army from Burma & Indochina can make it, and no way is there enough supplies in Singers to support everything.

Ouch, and double ouch.

Four battleships provided pretty effective suppression of the fortress. Let's face it, the battleships are cruising along at speed, with auto-corrected gunfire even changing course as desired. The fortress stays exactly where the battleship gunners expect it to be!

I have been thinking about going through Saigon toward Bangkok for a linkup, and maybe going north in the interior as an alternative to cut the roads. I haven't been thinking about going full bore along the coast. I should consider that. With China conquered I've been thinking more about that as a defensive compass point because I have no idea what can/might come storming out from China. Of course, those units might already be out of position in Burma or upper Thailand!

I've had Bangkok under recon for some time, and now I am seeing >20,000 troops there. I don't remember for sure, but I thought it was a pretty low number before. I know that one of the recent convoys lost a lot of vehicles when a ship was sunk, so some troops have been brought in by sea. But it seems like too many for that. So, have some come up from the peninsula in response to the Pegu breakthrough? I figure its too soon for any units fleeing from Burma to have made Bangkok.

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I haven't been thinking about going full bore along the coast. I should consider that.


Grab the coast, Vinh, Tourane, Hanoi. Pump everything you can into Camh Ran Bay and exploit. If the IJA army comes south east to threaten you they will be in open terrain; if not they have the long, long march thru the Burma road to get out thru China.

You will have some potentially great air bases, cut off all oil from the DEI, pretty much Isolated a huge chunk of the IJA.

Get some eyes along the coast asap, I am betting you can advance super fast if you continue to be bold, and keep the supplies flowing.

If Japanese air coverage turns out to be weak once you grab Camh Ran Bay, a neat trick is to leave some planes on ground attack commanders discretion...it is how you can catch troops on railroad cars between bases if you are lucky. Of course you might get pummelled every now and then, but you are the Allies just use some super heavy beasties.

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I haven't been thinking about going full bore along the coast. I should consider that.


Grab the coast, Vinh, Tourane, Hanoi. Pump everything you can into Camh Ran Bay and exploit. If the IJA army comes south east to threaten you they will be in open terrain; if not they have the long, long march thru the Burma road to get out thru China.

You will have some potentially great air bases, cut off all oil from the DEI, pretty much Isolated a huge chunk of the IJA.

Get some eyes along the coast asap, I am betting you can advance super fast if you continue to be bold, and keep the supplies flowing.

If Japanese air coverage turns out to be weak once you grab Camh Ran Bay, a neat trick is to leave some planes on ground attack commanders discretion...it is how you can catch troops on railroad cars between bases if you are lucky. Of course you might get pummelled every now and then, but you are the Allies just use some super heavy beasties.



Don't you have to have recon on a hex before a ground attack strike will launch? How does your airgroup commander know there is a train transiting with troops?

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I haven't been thinking about going full bore along the coast. I should consider that.


Grab the coast, Vinh, Tourane, Hanoi. Pump everything you can into Camh Ran Bay and exploit. If the IJA army comes south east to threaten you they will be in open terrain; if not they have the long, long march thru the Burma road to get out thru China.

You will have some potentially great air bases, cut off all oil from the DEI, pretty much Isolated a huge chunk of the IJA.

Get some eyes along the coast asap, I am betting you can advance super fast if you continue to be bold, and keep the supplies flowing.

If Japanese air coverage turns out to be weak once you grab Camh Ran Bay, a neat trick is to leave some planes on ground attack commanders discretion...it is how you can catch troops on railroad cars between bases if you are lucky. Of course you might get pummelled every now and then, but you are the Allies just use some super heavy beasties.



Don't you have to have recon on a hex before a ground attack strike will launch? How does your airgroup commander know there is a train transiting with troops?

Sometimes you will see a ground unit pop up in a hex you haven't reconned because the map icons represent a combination of all the Intel. So for any reason you get a DL on something in a hex you get a symbol even if it tells you almost nothing.

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Yep, just set up recon in an arc, and if anything is short of making a base on the railroads you have a chance of hitting them. Japanese troops are always on the railway lines, especially to and from Singers/Bangkok/Udon.

There is a algorithm that the commander follows, and DL plays a large part of it. Sometimes it is fun to put a squadron on Sweep/commanders discretion, or better yet, Port/commanders discretion and you can nail some hiding ships every now and then. Useful in the opening days as Japan.

Commanders discretion -- overlooked game goodness. Trust your local guys...they will surprise you.

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Here is what I have been looking at. I have the Div and Bde that took Jesselton and Kudat preparing for Saigon. Another Div is preparing for Soc Tran (on the coast SW Saigon. If resistance was light enough, which it seems to be, I've thought about aiming for a linkup with the SEAC forces while taking the base rich area from Saigon through Bangkok, cutting off the peninsula. As a backup if opposition on that route is stubborn, sendg forces up through the open terrain in the middle to cut off the flow of oil, et al.

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I haven't been thinking about going full bore along the coast. I should consider that.


Grab the coast, Vinh, Tourane, Hanoi. Pump everything you can into Camh Ran Bay and exploit. If the IJA army comes south east to threaten you they will be in open terrain; if not they have the long, long march thru the Burma road to get out thru China.

You will have some potentially great air bases, cut off all oil from the DEI, pretty much Isolated a huge chunk of the IJA.

Get some eyes along the coast asap, I am betting you can advance super fast if you continue to be bold, and keep the supplies flowing.

If Japanese air coverage turns out to be weak once you grab Camh Ran Bay, a neat trick is to leave some planes on ground attack commanders discretion...it is how you can catch troops on railroad cars between bases if you are lucky. Of course you might get pummelled every now and then, but you are the Allies just use some super heavy beasties.



Don't you have to have recon on a hex before a ground attack strike will launch? How does your airgroup commander know there is a train transiting with troops?

Sometimes you will see a ground unit pop up in a hex you haven't reconned because the map icons represent a combination of all the Intel. So for any reason you get a DL on something in a hex you get a symbol even if it tells you almost nothing.

Ah, right! I always interpreted the appearance of unreconned enemy as emulating intel through local natives who travel the back trails and see everything. US used them to good effect on Guadalcanal. Don't know how they would peg the location of a train in motion though, unless it is because land units don't move until after the naval and air phases are over.

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At minimum, you should take all of south Indochina on a line from Quinhon to Phnom Penh, or the base just north of PP (Kompong Chhnang?)
You get industry and a shipyard at Saigon and you secure the railways. Sure, he can go overland from Bangkok to Vinh, but the rail line only gets you 2/3 of the distance and the rest is tortuous roads or rough jungle.

After that, it is a choice between cutting off Malaya via Bangkok or heading to Hanoi-Lang Son to open a path to China. Central Indochina has nothing in it but roads and undeveloped airfields with lots of malaria.

So you need to decide what kind of follow-on campaign you want to run - another China liberation campaign or march down the Malay peninsula to isolate Sumatra and open the Straits of Malacca. The former gets you closer to Japan, but will take all your effort. The latter course may leave you some forces for a CentPac or NorPac thrust.

It's a win-win for us kibitzers: it will be fun to watch whichever choice you make.

EDIT: PS - It is not that hard for the Japanese to march out of Burma. They go to Chiang Mai, take the road to the northeast and cross one jungle hex to another road, then go north until they can cross one jungle hex to catch the road to Kunming (from the southwest of Kunming). It takes a month or so but they will not starve before they get there.

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To the untrained newbie eye, Vinh seems a tempting prospect to conquer. Probably empty or lightly defended, and enough by itself to cut off Indochina, Thailand and Malaya from the eastern holdings of Japan (China, Korea et al). Good for starving the entirety of japanese forces in the area.

Would be interesting to know though if you plan to isolate Malaya and Singapore for the time being, or to make a push for it soon. If you make a push for it, you can probably destroy a lot of assets (including a lot of big ships).

If you isolate and ignore it, you can move more forces towards either clearing up Burma, Thailand and Indochina, or edging closer to the Home Islands, either via Philippines or Formosa. Or directly Okinawa...

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