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RE: Who is she? - 4/25/2015 9:04:25 PM   
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Who is it? When was it? And where was it?



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HMS Warspite - Bremerton in 1942?

You got one right.

Want to have another go at where and when?

Edit: I really like this picture.
warspite1

Esquimalt - on her way to Bremerton? I thought with that colour scheme it must be no earlier than 1942. Are you sure about this Ormster? That looks like her AA above B turret being mounted. That was her 1942 refit at Bremerton I thought.

EDIT: Could be 1941 as the refit goes not look near completion, but I am convinced this is Bremerton.


It is Bremerton. My bad. But the date is Aug. or Sept. 1941.

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RE: Who is she? - 4/25/2015 9:06:26 PM   
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Who is it? When was it? And where was it?



warspite1

HMS Warspite - Bremerton in 1942?

You got one right.

Want to have another go at where and when?

Edit: I really like this picture.
warspite1

Esquimalt - on her way to Bremerton? I thought with that colour scheme it must be no earlier than 1942. Are you sure about this Ormster? That looks like her AA above B turret being mounted. That was her 1942 refit at Bremerton I thought.

EDIT: Could be 1941 as the refit goes not look near completion, but I am convinced this is Bremerton.


It is Bremerton. My bad. But the date is Aug. or Sept. 1941.
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I always associate her refit as 1942 as this is when it was completed - of course the work would therefore be done in late 1941 so I should have known that.


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RE: Who is she? - 4/25/2015 9:09:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		There were more pictures of HMS Warspite where I found this one. Maybe you want to take a look. But beware that after the first two pictures on page three the rest might be better avoided.

http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/battleships/warspite/hms_warspite.htm

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RE: Who is she? - 4/25/2015 9:20:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is still, to my mind, the saddest picture. She is coming to the end of her career.

Only three of her four turrets are in working order, and her top speed is around 17 knots. She is no longer needed as a battleship - just a gun platform to pulverise German positions on the French and Belgians coast.

After 5 1/2 years of war her machinery is worn out, her weaponry useful - to the extent it still operates. Like a prize fighter that has taken too many hits during his career, she continues to dish out the blows on a diminishing basis and she is essentially done - and will be paid off before the war in Europe is won.






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RE: Who is she? - 4/25/2015 9:25:56 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 4/25/2015 9:32:56 PM   
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Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
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I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.

Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end


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RE: Who is she? - 4/25/2015 11:06:45 PM   
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Who is it? When was it? And where was it?



warspite1

HMS Warspite - Bremerton in 1942?

You got one right.

Want to have another go at where and when?

Edit: I really like this picture.
warspite1

Esquimalt - on her way to Bremerton? I thought with that colour scheme it must be no earlier than 1942. Are you sure about this Ormster? That looks like her AA above B turret being mounted. That was her 1942 refit at Bremerton I thought.

EDIT: Could be 1941 as the refit goes not look near completion, but I am convinced this is Bremerton.


It is Bremerton. My bad. But the date is Aug. or Sept. 1941.
warspite1

I always associate her refit as 1942 as this is when it was completed - of course the work would therefore be done in late 1941 so I should have known that.


Arrived Puget Sound Naval Yard 11 August 1941, recommissioned 28 December 1941.
http://www.world-war.co.uk/bb/warspite.php3

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RE: Who is she? - 4/26/2015 12:49:20 AM   
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Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
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I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.

Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end



Most of what was saved were ships that were new enough to go into mothballs after the war and when they were deemed completely obsolete there was some interest in preserving that past. Some of the most valuable ships to history such as the Enterprise and San Francisco were scrapped too soon after the war to be saved, though there was an effort to save the Enterprise that came up short.

The only pre-fast battleship that was saved was the USS Texas.

You posted a picture of the last hurrah for the Warspite, the older US battleships had the same job for most of the last couple of years of the war. They got their pound of flesh at Surgaio Strait, but that was only because the enemy was obliging enough to sail right into their guns.

BTW, regarding that picture of HMS London. It may be the perspective, but the gun barrels look shorter than they usually do on a cruiser. Did she has short caliber guns for some reason? I'm nowhere near as well read on RN ships as you and some others here.

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RE: Who is she? - 4/26/2015 5:05:01 AM   
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Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
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I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.

Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end



Most of what was saved were ships that were new enough to go into mothballs after the war and when they were deemed completely obsolete there was some interest in preserving that past. Some of the most valuable ships to history such as the Enterprise and San Francisco were scrapped too soon after the war to be saved, though there was an effort to save the Enterprise that came up short.

The only pre-fast battleship that was saved was the USS Texas.

You posted a picture of the last hurrah for the Warspite, the older US battleships had the same job for most of the last couple of years of the war. They got their pound of flesh at Surgaio Strait, but that was only because the enemy was obliging enough to sail right into their guns.

BTW, regarding that picture of HMS London. It may be the perspective, but the gun barrels look shorter than they usually do on a cruiser. Did she has short caliber guns for some reason? I'm nowhere near as well read on RN ships as you and some others here.

Bill
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Bill the RN had one 8-inch gun version that the used on the County's and Exeter/York in WWII. This was the MkVIII 8-inch/50. Maybe it is the angle, but the calibre used for the modernised HMS London was no different to her sisters, half sisters and the smaller Exeter and York.


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RE: Who is she? - 4/26/2015 6:34:33 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 4/26/2015 6:42:59 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 4/26/2015 6:54:40 PM   
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HMS Saumarez?
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No, not the Saumarez.


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RE: Who is she? - 4/26/2015 7:05:15 PM   
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HMS Chieftain?

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RE: Who is she? - 4/26/2015 7:09:07 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 4/26/2015 7:10:48 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 4/26/2015 7:48:36 PM   
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No, HMS PETARD!
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Is the correct answer. As far as I can make out she is the only ship to have had a hand in sinking a German, an Italian and a Japanese submarine - hussah!


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RE: Who is she? - 4/30/2015 7:19:58 PM   
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a) too late
b) how did you know it was Barham from this picture?

No idea who Barnham is....



No it's not Barham. This one was named for P. T. Barnham.

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RE: Who is she? - 4/30/2015 7:35:44 PM   
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Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
warspite1

I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.

Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end



I wish we (the US) had preserved some, like one of the QE class. Ever since playing a Jutland game I've thought those ships were awesome. Wish a WWI German BC had been preserved despite the Washington Treaty. Get it in shallow water and fill the bottom with concrete like the Texas. I'm so glad we saved the Texas!

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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 12:35:02 PM   
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Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
warspite1

I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.

Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end



I wish we (the US) had preserved some, like one of the QE class. Ever since playing a Jutland game I've thought those ships were awesome. Wish a WWI German BC had been preserved despite the Washington Treaty. Get it in shallow water and fill the bottom with concrete like the Texas. I'm so glad we saved the Texas!
warspite1

True enough - because of the relatively new technology, designs were still evolving and most ships of the time were just plain ugly, but the Queen Elizabeths - even in WWI guise - were simply floating hard-ons.





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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 12:50:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		This monitor served in WWII as a floating battery protecting a port.

1) What was the ports name?
2) What was the name of the monitor during WWI?
3) Toward the end of her career she served in another navy. What navy was that?




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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 1:11:55 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 1:12:08 PM   
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1) No clue... Genoa??
2) Italian monitor Faà di Bruno
3) Kriegsmarine monitor Biber

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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 1:13:20 PM   
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Genoa, Fáa di Bruno, Kriegsmarine?


you won by a minute

and I would call it "self propelled barge" more than monitor

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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 1:18:35 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 7:48:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of monitors here's some Finnish ones. The first is one they supposedly captured from the Soviets.




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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 7:49:35 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 7:50:14 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 7:51:04 PM   
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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 9:09:52 PM   
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Genoa, Fáa di Bruno, Kriegsmarine?


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1) No clue... Genoa??

Sorry guys but I can't resist: city (& port) correct name is Genova. Genoa is the local football team.



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RE: Who is she? - 5/1/2015 9:15:25 PM   
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Speaking of monitors here's some Finnish ones. The first is one they supposedly captured from the Soviets.





Not a clue what ship that is.

Two Finnish Coastal Defence ships where pretty much similar in outlook, those latter pictures.

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