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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 2:02:12 PM

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I asume that the 12 turns per day represent 12 combat moments divided in 2 minutes turns (maybe bigger turns for night???) this made that you can fight in a day 12 times using the tactical time scale of 2 minutes... i am correct here??? if is like this i think that you are not forced to fight in the 12 turns, you can fight in a day even 0 turns if you and enemy dont attack.

Yes, you don't have to fight every turn. The 8 turns per day and 4 turns per night are numbers I came up with as an average. In real WW2 campaign, some days saw more combat than others...same goes for the night.

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"An AFV can be in Stunned, Shocked, Unconfirmed Kill, Bogged, Mired or Immobilized State. I don't keep track of minor damage to either the vehicle components or the crew - meaning there is no concept of commander, gunner driver. All will be explained in the manual :)"

Ok, then is not posible have a tank neutralized destroying their main gun or reducing ROF (shots per turn) with a hit over loader.

correct, however all weapons can break down during combat so your light machine gun, anti-tank gun or the AFV main armament will need to be repaired in order to function again.

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I like the point of unconfirmed kill and talking about kills... units have a list with the kills they score???

Thanks.

Unconfirmed Kill is state of a vehicle. Units do not have list of kills...

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PD: the game is centered in 43-45 period no??? you talk about no blitzkrieg... this include Barbarrossa and the 42 battles in east???.

41 - 45 for Eastern Front; 43-45 for Western Front and there is also late Med front support. There is no real support for blitzkrieg (1940) on the western front because I don't have french nationality in the game. Only German/Russian/American/British nationalities at this point. If the game sells well I will add French/Italian nationalities as well as early western front vehicles. You can still do blitzkrieg in France 1940, it's just that you can only use British forces with support weapons, ordnance (guns) without tanks.

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 2:17:43 PM

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not heard anything as yet so either i didn't get in or it hasn't happened as yet, so fingers crossed it the latter tbh

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 4:27:34 PM

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Thanx for the details Peter Fisla, it gets more and more interesting... Now we need a screenshot

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 4:36:46 PM

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Peter,

Will the system use "real" data for weapon systems and armor like Steel Panthers? I hope so!!!

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 5:09:54 PM

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Peter,

Will the system use "real" data for weapon systems and armor like Steel Panthers? I hope so!!!

I used real world data, however I have abstracted the numbers in my game engine. Same thing as you see in say Panzer 2nd edition from GMT, or ASL or LnL Band of Heroes boardgames. However these numbers will be hidden, as I want the players to focus on strategy and tactics rather than number crunching exercise of calculating shifts and DRMs. Personnel units will have some information on the counters to indicate stuff like firepower class, morale (for the leaders morale bonus).

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 5:25:07 PM

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Peter,

Will the system use "real" data for weapon systems and armor like Steel Panthers? I hope so!!!

I used real world data, however I have abstracted the numbers in my game engine. Same thing as you see in say Panzer 2nd edition from GMT, or ASL or LnL Band of Heroes boardgames. However these numbers will be hidden, as I want the players to focus on strategy and tactics rather than number crunching exercise of calculating shifts and DRMs. Personnel units will have some information on the counters to indicate stuff like firepower class, morale (for the leaders morale bonus).

First of all, thanks for the reply!

Nice! I have Panzer (3 modules) and the Band of Heroes games, so I understand what you mean

I signed up too

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 10:15:19 PM

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Finally.

A squad based, tactical WWII game for the PC that harkens back to the great board game ones most of us know. The Tiller Squad Battles games are generally great, and HoS was fantastic- but something this wide ranging fills a big gap. I have great hopes for this one.

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 10:15:57 PM

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Here is a list of all the vehicles in the game:

GERMAN:
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PzKpfw IIA
PzKpfw IIF
PzKpfw IIL
PzKpfw 35t
PzKpfw 38(t) A
PzKpfw 38(t) E
PzKpfw IIID
PzKpfw IIIF
PzKpfw IIIG
PzKpfw IIIH
PzKpfw IIIJ
PzKpfw IIIL
PzKpfw IIIN
PzKpfw IVA
PzKpfw IVC
PzKpfw IVD
PzKpfw IVE
PzKpfw IVF1
PzKpfw IVF2
PzKpfw IVH
PzKpfw IVJ
PzKpfw VD
PzKpfw VG
PzKpfw VIE
PzKpfw VIE(L)
PzKpfw VIB
StuG IIIB
StuG IIIG
StuG IIIG (L)
StuH 42
StuH 42 (L)
StuPz IV
PzJg Tiger
Marder I
Marder III(t) M
PzJg III/IV
JgdPz 38(t)
JgdPz IV
JgdPz IV(L)
StuIG 33B
JgdPz IV/70
JgdPz V
JgdPz VI
SPW 250/1
SPW 250/sMG
SPW 250/7
SPW 250/8
SPW 250/9
SPW 250/10
SPW 251/1
SPW 251/sMG
SPW 251/2
SPW 251/9
SPW 251/10
SPW 251/22
PSW 222
PSW 222 (L)
PSW 231
PSW 231
PSW 232
PSW 233
PSW 234/1
PSW 234/2
PSW 234/3
PSW 234/4
sIG II
sIG 38(t)M
PzA II
PzA III/IV

RUSSIAN:
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T-60 M40
T-60 M42
T-70
T-26 M33
T-26S M37/39
BT-5 M34
BT-7 M37
BT-7A
T-34 M40
T-34 M41
T-34 M43
T-43
T-34/85
M4/76(a)
T-44
KV-1 M39/40
KV-1E
KV-1 M41
KV-1 M42
KV-2
KV-1S
KV-85
IS-2
IS-2m
IS-3
SU-76M
SU-76i
SU-122
SU-152
ISU-122
ISU-152
SU-85
SU-100
SU-57(a)
BA-6

AMERICAN:
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M3A1
M5A1
M24
M4
M4A1
M4A2
M4A2 (L)
M4A3
M4A3(75)W
M4A3E2
M4A3E2 (L)
M4A1(76)W
M4A3(76)W
M4(105)
M4A3(105)
M26
M10 GMC
M18 GMC
M36 GMC
M36B1 GMC
M3A1
M3(MMG)
M3(HMG)
M4A1 MC
M21 MC
M3 GMC
M8
M8 HMC
M7 HMC

BRITISH:
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Stuart V
Sherman II
Sherman III
Sherman V
Sherman IIA
Sherman IIC
Sherman VC
Sherman IB
Centaur IV
Cromwell IV
Cromwell VI
Cromwell VII
Cromwell VIII
Challenger
Comet
Valentine VIII
Valentine XI
Churchill V

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 10:16:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: benpark

Finally.

A squad based, tactical WWII game for the PC that harkens back to the great board game ones most of us know. The Tiller Squad Battles games are generally great, and HoS was fantastic- but something this wide ranging fills a big gap. I have great hopes for this one.

benpark,

You hit the nail on the head, that's exactly the whole point of my project! :)

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 11:16:16 PM

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And thank you for doing it!!

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/18/2015 11:57:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Peter Fisla

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ORIGINAL: benpark

Finally.

A squad based, tactical WWII game for the PC that harkens back to the great board game ones most of us know. The Tiller Squad Battles games are generally great, and HoS was fantastic- but something this wide ranging fills a big gap. I have great hopes for this one.

benpark,

You hit the nail on the head, that's exactly the whole point of my project! :)

WOW! Awesome!!!

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 1:23:32 AM

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This is sounding really good. I'll be watching this with anticipation.

thanks!
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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 3:08:57 AM

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It does sound good,screenshot....screenshot....everybody chant.

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 4:13:24 AM

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Currently reading Wolfgang Schneider's "Panzer Tactics: German Small Unit Armor Tactics in WW II" to get in the mood. It's working

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 5:51:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: **budd**

It does sound good,screenshot....screenshot....everybody chant.

screenshot....screenshot....screenshot....screenshot....!

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 9:56:54 AM

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Nice list... a little question, PzJg Tiger is the JagdTiger or the Elephant??? and no flamm tanks???

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 10:33:30 AM

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Nice list... a little question, PzJg Tiger is the JagdTiger or the Elephant??? and no flamm tanks???

PzJg Tiger = Ferdinand
JgdPz VI = JagdTiger

Yes correct, no flame tanks in the game...

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 11:07:27 AM

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Add me to the beta list PLEASE of those extremely excited on this one.

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 12:21:31 PM

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Peter

While we all wait with baited breadth for some announcement/screenshots from Matrix, a quick question.

It sounds good that, at the harder levels, units can only execute defensive fire, given that they are out of command and cannot be given further orders.

Is it, or will it be possible, to limit intelligence from those same units insofar as they would be unable to contribute to the big picture of what the player can see of enemy units? This would go a long way in helping to reduce the godlike view that the player has in most tactical level wargames.

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 1:06:32 PM

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James,

There are three levels of difficulty in the game:

Easy - Your units are always in command; AI units have to check for command and control rules
Medium - both sides have to check for command and control rules
Hard - Your units check for command and control, AI units are always in command

If one of your units is out of command, all that unit can do defend its position.

Currently, all units(in and out of command) contribute towards fog of war. Perhaps I can add advanced fog of war feature in the future, and consider out of command units contribution towards FOW differently. Interesting idea James...thanks for your thoughts :)

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 1:47:56 PM

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Thanks for the reply Peter Fisla, i never refer to JT and Elephant with the official names hehehe, maybe i find strange at tactical level miss the flamm tanks, maybe the only level where they can play a good role in a wargame (well in other games they are present but as pure assault vehicles with bonus on assault area).

Talking about on command ... is going to be easy know this??? i refer know when an unit is in command without click on the unit, same with OOB over the map, be capable of see in a visual way what is the unit of X unit without need highligt structure.

Thanks.

PD: you explore in game the idea of "special abilities" for nations??? human wave, fanatic, light troops etc etc???

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 1:54:54 PM

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Thanks for the reply Peter Fisla, i never refer to JT and Elephant with the official names hehehe, maybe i find strange at tactical level miss the flamm tanks, maybe the only level where they can play a good role in a wargame (well in other games they are present but as pure assault vehicles with bonus on assault area).

Talking about on command ... is going to be easy know this??? i refer know when an unit is in command without click on the unit, same with OOB over the map, be capable of see in a visual way what is the unit of X unit without need highligt structure.

Thanks.

PD: you explore in game the idea of "special abilities" for nations??? human wave, fanatic, light troops etc etc???

Units out of command will have special marker that is very easy to see. There are some special abilities, I'm not sure I remember them well of top of my head but for example, British units do not cower if they fire without a leader. There is no human wave, as I couldn't really come up with a good design yet...Fire Power, Morale of squad/half-squad depends on unit's class and nationality. I will add Fanatic attribute in the future, I do have Stealthy attribute - gives a unit bonus in close quarter combat (this feature can be turned on/off in the scenario editor).

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 2:06:51 PM

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It does sound good, screenshot....screenshot....everybody chant.

Ok.... screenshot....screenshot ....

this game has also earned a coming soon forum....

(3 pages and counting for a press release, news forum... wow)

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 3:34:03 PM

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Wow, this sounds great. That list of supported tanks is very impressive!

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 4:36:14 PM

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I signed for tester, I was very happy to read about a new tactical game. How much it will be moddable? Units data are editable? Will it be possible to add units? In this scale I prefer top view, will it be possible to mod terrain and units graphics? Maps have hexagons?

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 5:42:55 PM

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Hi JMass,

You will only be able to modify the unit and terrain art. All the game graphics components are in one PGN file. The game uses Side view unit art, terrain art is top down. I'm paying homage/respect to WW2 tactical boardgames in terms of art style.

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 5:47:00 PM

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is there some rule that screen shots questions can't be replied to or shown then atm, as it seems the only one so far that hasn't been answered / replied to,

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 5:52:13 PM

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is there some rule that screen shots questions can't be replied to or shown then atm, as it seems the only one so far that hasn't been answered / replied to,
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Peter Fisla

Matrix games is currently working on providing screenshots and product art....I'm hoping soon.

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 5:58:14 PM

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now at least the same question wont keep being asked, well not by me anyway

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RE: Tigers on the Hunt needs true wargamers for beta! - 5/19/2015 7:42:11 PM

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