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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 10:33:36 AM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 10:34:46 AM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 10:35:55 AM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 10:36:48 AM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 10:37:40 AM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 10:38:52 AM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 10:54:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		For no Japanese losses, other than MTBs and Midgets, we sink 4 DD (3 of which are Fletchers), 3 KVs, 1 AK. No big game, but we do use up a lot of the Allied ammunition. Now for our ground troops to hold...

With daytime comes another invasion at Bihoro...

The Allied CVE forces are in Kushiro; the Deathstar one hex to the east...our planes start to go in and the losses are frightful to begin with, especially over Kushiro.

The KB and mini KB are perfectly positioned...LRCAP is working over Kushiro.

Our very first attack on the CVEs at Kushiro, only 24 Jills escorted by a dozen Jacks and the LRCAP and one of them gets thru the 300 plane CAP of FM-1 and Corsairs, she misses but this bodes well for the day...

Nicks strafe some ships to the east, and pull off some CAP, so that works...

And then flying from Etorofu, a well escorted strike group hits the Allied ships and our first blood is drawn with strikes.




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:01:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Meanwhile our bombers are going after the group at Kushiro...the CVEs.

It is land based air, at all different altitudes, and quite simply the waves are wearing down the CAP nicely, and the KB has yet to take a whack at them...

The losses are heavy...Allied settings for the KB seems to be 100% cap 0 range because everything is airborne. After several waves of attacks, planes are now scrambling with 60 minutes until interception, when a very small splinter strike penetrates, only 6 torpedo planes...

but they hit. Finally. And the KB has yet to strike...I can see in my minds eye a nice coordinated strike on the CVEs, surely they will punch thru the diminishing Allied CAP.




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:06:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		And then we have it...the KB strikes.

They are within 6 hexes, heavy bombs for the Judy...but no wait, 10 planes divert to an alternate target to the north, the landings at Bihoro. This at 7 hexes and only 250kg bombs.

They pick up a few air escorts, and the Allied carriers can't provide coverage.

A five inch gun is knocked out, a superstructure hit, and the rest of the bombs bounce off the battleships armor.




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:11:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Still, the KB has a decent strike package left...not the end of the world, when another 20 plane group flies in unescorted to Kushiro...

I get that sinking feeling, all this work, to setup up the attack, tactically everything is sound, I got just what I wished for when the main group from the KB goes in -- and not a single fighter from the KB flies. Not a one. I checked and double checked and triple checked the orders for these guys.

Leaders, settings, plane fatigue.

With fighter escort they would have punched thru the greatly reduced CAP, instead they flew to their deaths, while the fighters drank sake over a safe, KB fleet.

Argh!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:13:17 AM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:18:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		And then the air battles are over. Japan loses 600 planes of all flavors; the Allies 175 mostly fighters...a lot of FM-1s. But only a cheap SC, AK are sunk, and one CVE takes a torpedo hit.

Just simply argh!

And now comes the battles, I fully am expecting the worst...

But the Allies haven't been quiet in Indochina, heavy bombing of the IJA forces there, and surprise, the Allies attack at Rahaeng -- the Allied Tank Army...they don't lose a lot, but are certainly repulsed.






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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:22:04 AM   
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the attack at Kushiro and the IJA holds.




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:26:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then, at Kunashiri, we expect the worst. A one day crushing. I flew in some more troops, but most troops went to Kushiro, were several transports were shot down in the air by the CVE's CAP...

At Kunashiri, the Japanese fight hard, get a 1-2 and forts don't even get knocked down however, the cost is very high in Japanese lives.

And at Shikotan, no Allied attack. It will hold, unless the Allies reinforce.




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:32:37 AM   
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Japanese troops hold...

Allies invade Bihoro...unload 10,000 men there.






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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:42:50 AM   
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Still, the KB has a decent strike package left...not the end of the world, when another 20 plane group flies in unescorted to Kushiro...

I get that sinking feeling, all this work, to setup up the attack, tactically everything is sound, I got just what I wished for when the main group from the KB goes in -- and not a single fighter from the KB flies. Not a one. I checked and double checked and triple checked the orders for these guys.

Leaders, settings, plane fatigue.

With fighter escort they would have punched thru the greatly reduced CAP, instead they flew to their deaths, while the fighters drank sake over a safe, KB fleet.

Argh!



I hate it when the engine doesn't provide a clue about why they didn't fly...
Something like - weather was stormy above KB, no chance to launch planes. Or the Air Operations Officer spilled coffee over the flight maps and nothing could be done.Anything.

My 2 cents would be to throw everything tomorrow. Including the BBs.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:50:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Over at Rahaeng, it feels really good to have stifled, finally the Allied tank Army, although it isn't all here at Rahaeng yet.

This fight must be a bitter blow to the Allies...now if only the Tavoy block can hold, I will force the Allies to try and go off road even more to flank me.

Still, I am fighting a losing battle here as they will be hard pressed to get anymore troops for this front with the Allies in Hokkaido.

A look at the wonderful defenders of Rahaeng. Heavy artillery (over 150mm), 3 rapid fire AT units, plus a heavy infantry division anchor the defense.




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 11:59:46 AM   
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Still, the KB has a decent strike package left...not the end of the world, when another 20 plane group flies in unescorted to Kushiro...

I get that sinking feeling, all this work, to setup up the attack, tactically everything is sound, I got just what I wished for when the main group from the KB goes in -- and not a single fighter from the KB flies. Not a one. I checked and double checked and triple checked the orders for these guys.

Leaders, settings, plane fatigue.

With fighter escort they would have punched thru the greatly reduced CAP, instead they flew to their deaths, while the fighters drank sake over a safe, KB fleet.

Argh!



I hate it when the engine doesn't provide a clue about why they didn't fly...
Something like - weather was stormy above KB, no chance to launch planes. Or the Air Operations Officer spilled coffee over the flight maps and nothing could be done.Anything.

My 2 cents would be to throw everything tomorrow. Including the BBs.



Oh, I will continue to attack...I can fly new squadrons onto the KB, new bomber squadrons that is the fighters are pristine.

The retreating BB fleet looks awfully inviting, a strike at that with the KB might pull some planes away from Hokkaido on the following day.

Given past actions, he will use a lot of the Deathstar's bombers to hit the troops at Kushiro, he needs that base.

I'd like to say that all those units at Kushiro are a wonderful gift, but I am feeling pretty toothless right now. But now is not the time to go wobbly, and hit him again...





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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 12:04:57 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 12:09:43 PM   
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Alfred that is sneaky!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 12:47:54 PM   
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You really can´t seem to catch a break can you? At least now you know the theory works. You just need some luck with the random dice.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 1:05:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had been prepping a counter invasion for Marcus, and then foolishly turned it off when I thought the Bonins were threatened.

Look at the seriously over-stacked airbase.






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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 1:07:57 PM   
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You should check how many of the Allied units participated in the invasion of the Marianas.  There well may be an opportunity to counter invade some of the Marianas.

Alfred


Good thinking...I don't even really need too much prep for them since it isn't a shock attack, and what better place for the troops stuck out to accomplish.


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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 1:13:08 PM   
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Man that sucks.

You really can´t seem to catch a break can you? At least now you know the theory works. You just need some luck with the random dice.


I feel that my carrier strikes have been cursed, but I am sure it is rather operator error. In the Marianas I tried to be too sneaky and crafty by half.

But here, I did everything right. Anticipated Allied moves, and managed to draw the short end of the stick.

Well, I know the Allies will bomb Kushiro with a portion of the Deathstars planes again today. Yesterday, I managed to shoot down a fair number. The runways at Kushiro are pristine with a fair amount of aviation support. If I felt I could hold the base for another day, I could stuff it with fighters. But, then again I run the risk of him bombarding with some of his ships.

As always choices.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 1:15:51 PM   
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Bummer with the KB strike

Alfred that is sneaky!



Alfred is the master of the oblique attacks...attacking on wholly unexpected fronts. Too bad he doesn't do pbem, I am sure he could spank all of us.

It is just a temporary setback, with a little luck, I may be able to hold for another day, drain his carriers of even more sorties and planes, and maybe get lucky here or there.


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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 1:24:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Keep the ideas coming, it will be a while before I cycle thru all my plane squadrons.

Then I need to come up with a tactic.

He still has at least 2 largely fresh, un-fought, groups of 8-10 fletchers. One in Kushiro proper, and the other due west.

The Deathstar hex, one east of Kushiro, would just be great to get some surface ships into, but that seems tough, but you never know.

Some of my bombers didn't fly last turn, having transferred to a fresh base, but should be good to go this day. My fighters are in pretty good shape, especially the Georges. More planes still arriving.

To tell the truth, I am thinking of having the KB sprint south and east and try to nail the retreating bb fleets. I guess a lot depends upon how well I can build the strength of the kB back up. I might move the slow mini KB to strike the landings at Bihoro.

Those are just initial thoughts, got a work my way thru the turn and get a better understanding of what I can hit with.




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 1:29:32 PM   
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To tell the truth, I am thinking of having the KB sprint south and east and try to nail the retreating bb fleets.


I think a strike against his CVs should be your priority. Without CVs he cannot reinforce and resupply any bridgehead he gains here. All his BBs would be useless...
The more he keeps his CVs in range of your LBA and fatigue his CAP, the more your chances of landing a successful blow should increase....provided KB actually does strike :)

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 1:33:19 PM   
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At Rahaeng I will bombard the Allies...I have forts 4, and a fair amount of very heavy artillery. He has two mountain guns, plus the inherent artillery in his other troops.

It will at least drain his supplies, and I can afford a 1-1 exchange. I hope I get that, sometimes, the counterbattery can be really tough.

I should be able to put a pretty good land based air strike against him again this turn, but looking at the troops at Kushiro it will be hard for them to beat off another assault.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 1:58:25 PM   
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To tell the truth, I am thinking of having the KB sprint south and east and try to nail the retreating bb fleets.


I think a strike against his CVs should be your priority. Without CVs he cannot reinforce and resupply any bridgehead he gains here. All his BBs would be useless...
The more he keeps his CVs in range of your LBA and fatigue his CAP, the more your chances of landing a successful blow should increase....provided KB actually does strike :)


I hear you...but even with a portion of the Deathstar on naval attack it will trash my KB. And without a KB how I can stop the flow of supplies to Hokkaido?

I just can't afford to lose those ships right now, and attacking the supply line, while land base air goes after the Allied carriers seems a much better trade than swapping carrier for carrier...I think I need to keep whittling away.







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RE: Unorthodox - 5/22/2015 1:58:47 PM   
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Judging by how few US subs I see in the AO, I'd seriously consider siphoning off some of the KB's escorting ships to boost your surface combat power.

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