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RE: Unorthodox - 5/25/2015 8:08:31 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/25/2015 8:12:43 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/25/2015 8:16:12 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/25/2015 8:19:49 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/25/2015 8:25:01 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/25/2015 8:35:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		For the cost of 250 Japanese planes, I managed to sink most likely two CVEs, set one Battleship on fire, and damage two more.

I managed to put damage on Kushiro, and Bihoro is heavily damaged. But, Allied engineers repair Kunashiri and grow it to level 2. It will be huge shortly.




I also shot down a dozen P47s, but the Allies lost only 50 planes all told, almost all fighters.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/25/2015 8:48:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, I guess the Allies can fly in fresh planes from the Carriers to protect all the shipping...

I wonder if the Deathstar will move back into the area or go after Paramushiro?

He has a huge convoy (I am guessing, 10 ships spotted, but I guess it is huge -- they all are) and it is probably loaded up with 2000 planes heading from Aluetians and is south and east of Paramushiro now.

I guess barges aren't so horrible. In one day, they picked up and transported a full brigade to Hakodate and disbanded. Some of the barges had 0 fuel when created, and they refueled, picked up a third of division and are unloading now.

I think the CD guns and mines might scare the Allies from wandering in here again. Hakodate that is.

I made quite a few barges, in case the Allies decided to bomb them...didn't realize they were this fast.






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RE: Unorthodox - 5/25/2015 9:01:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Next up is Invasion Honshu.

I have to prepare to fight a 6000 point invasion fleet in two months. My guess is Sendai/Iwaki, but really could be anywhere.

10 Depot divisions don't go nearly far enough...especially with 35 morale and 50 experience.

Strategy for tomorrow is to sweep again. Rest the bombers.

Prepare for an invasion.

Reinforce Hakodate and Muroran.

Look to hurt cause damage...




I realize he might invade in the north middle of Honshu near Sadogashima. Okay, really everywhere.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/25/2015 10:56:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quick question. Tracker listed 14 destroyed P47s yesterday, the game 11.

Tracker lists 160 P47s destroyed all told. The game lists 191. I take it that tracker is much more accurate?

He gets slightly less than 600 of these beasts and production stops next month. The Allies have 4-5 squadrons over in Indochina, so it will take him a while to get them here even thru the upgrade/reinforcement route.

He seems to be flying the Jugs at 20K so as to really intercept and destroy bombers in Hokkaido.

However, the bad news is a better version of the P47 comes along at 175 per month starting in March. In three months the Allies get 700 of them.

Then no more P47s until 45 basically. So I need to down quite a few...but I do have a fighting chance. Without P47s the air war is a lot more even.

Now I won't have jets, but I will have Franks. Figure I need to lose 3-4000 Franks to take them out over 1944. I think I can do it. Or at I will try.




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 12:00:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		The much neglected Lilly dive bomber. They have done great service here in late 43 and early 44. Pity I lose one squadron in July of 44.

Late in 43, flying from Truk they savaged several destroyer TF with eyes on either bombarding or raiding into or past Truk.

Here is 44, three of the squadrons flying from the Kuriles savaged transports and cargo ships sending troops to the bottom. A strong enough showing that cause the Allies to divert CVE and the Deathstar to attack their airfields.

That dissipation in Allied fighter strength allowed me to damage 2 CVEs and 3 Battleships last turn.

They will rest for a couple of days, and then be ready for those 11 hex raids once again.




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 12:53:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, turn is away, and more death and destruction for the Allies I hope.

Some pretty nice things planned for this turn, if they come off....

I realize that coastal watchers and night torpedo runs kind of go hand in hand. Small air group of single engine torpedo bombers might accomplish some good.

I have also started wondering whether moonlight plays a role in midget sub effectiveness. Just a thought.

I plan on eradicating the Allied sub present around Ominato this turn, but fear not, still striking the Allies with sweeps and other good joy from the Home Islands.

In my panic to react, I stripped Saipan of search, will send Norms there, A good base to launch kamis from. It seems to me a kamikaze might hit better than conventional bombs, but that the damage done might be less. Purely subjective assumption on my part.

Turns are getting somewhat less of a bear as I adjust to the new reality.



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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 1:08:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		One more thought, I think the longer I can fight in Hokkaido the longer I put off the invasion of Honshu. I need to buy time and kill thunderbolts.

You may laugh at my desire to kill thunderbolts, but I have whittled down his Ligtnings to one maybe two understrength squadrons in Indochina -- in fact they have totally been absent for the last two weeks. I can do it - just need to think positively. More dead thunderbolts tomorrow, I am hoping.



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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 1:32:35 AM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 5:15:03 AM   
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What happened to the Musashi run?

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 7:54:09 AM   
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I think the Lily DB is one plane I'll be producing right up to the end. The Grace does do the role better (and for half the cost and a better bomb load), but the Lily DB and the Peggy (T) gives the IJA a pretty balanced anti-shipping line-up...

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 9:00:42 AM   
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I'm liking the Lily a great myself as of recent.Granted, it's twice as expensive and doesn't hit as hard, but it's an IJA plane, has armor and can give you a little longer reach than you'd have using the D4Y series of dive-bombers.

I think the Lily DB is one plane I'll be producing right up to the end. The Grace does do the role better (and for half the cost and a better bomb load), but the Lily DB and the Peggy (T) gives the IJA a pretty balanced anti-shipping line-up...

Biggest problem with Peggy (T) is that when they arrive You dont have pilots trained in torpedo attack. You need at lest 2-3 months before first class will be ready. And even then after battle again You need to train fresh pilots.
From my perspective 5-6 months from Peggy (T) arrive is moment when You have enough pilots to be able to use them and after battle replace with fresh pilots.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 9:09:59 AM   
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I'm liking the Lily a great myself as of recent.Granted, it's twice as expensive and doesn't hit as hard, but it's an IJA plane, has armor and can give you a little longer reach than you'd have using the D4Y series of dive-bombers.

I think the Lily DB is one plane I'll be producing right up to the end. The Grace does do the role better (and for half the cost and a better bomb load), but the Lily DB and the Peggy (T) gives the IJA a pretty balanced anti-shipping line-up...

Biggest problem with Peggy (T) is that when they arrive You dont have pilots trained in torpedo attack. You need at lest 2-3 months before first class will be ready. And even then after battle again You need to train fresh pilots.
From my perspective 5-6 months from Peggy (T) arrive is moment when You have enough pilots to be able to use them and after battle replace with fresh pilots.


+1 on the Peggy (T). Takes forever!

On the Lily I've grown to really like it too. It's the range speed combo plus accurate delivery, and even though the bombs are small, with two of them you have more chances to hit, slowing ships for the next round of strikes. This is also the case with the Grace of course, but more so.

Later war I like the 2E IJAAF bombers as kamis low, Lily DB coming in higher, Peggy (T) in the middle somewhere, and for the IJNAF a mix of Frances carrying (T) and as kamis low, plus D4Y3-4 and Grace high with Jills in the middle.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 11:00:46 AM   
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Just got caught up again. Wow, it's too bad the escorts didn't fly when they were needed.

What happened to the Musashi run?

Cheers,
CC



She got into a long fight with Fletchers, sunk one or two more, but then retired to replenish ammo. She has done that lately now...her Captain is a little too timid, plus she had about 12 sys damage at the highest. She is getting ready to sortie again soon.

But then on the other hand, if she had gotten damaged more she would be out for months and months.


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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 11:09:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Just got caught up again. Wow, it's too bad the escorts didn't fly when they were needed.

What happened to the Musashi run?

Cheers,
CC



She got into a long fight with Fletchers, sunk one or two more, but then retired to replenish ammo. She has done that lately now...her Captain is a little too timid, plus she had about 12 sys damage at the highest. She is getting ready to sortie again soon.

But then on the other hand, if she had gotten damaged more she would be out for months and months.



Each 1 point of major flood damaged on Yamato class BB in 100 size dry dock (no other ships repairing) is 5 days of repairs. Trust me i know.
Sys and engine repairs much faster.


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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 11:12:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Instead of using Peggy T conventionally, she could always go straight to kamikaze use. In use as soon as you have 30 planes.

Do you think some planes are easier to hit enemy shipping with as kamikazes? Or does it simply devolve to LNav?




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 11:16:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Just got caught up again. Wow, it's too bad the escorts didn't fly when they were needed.

What happened to the Musashi run?

Cheers,
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She got into a long fight with Fletchers, sunk one or two more, but then retired to replenish ammo. She has done that lately now...her Captain is a little too timid, plus she had about 12 sys damage at the highest. She is getting ready to sortie again soon.

But then on the other hand, if she had gotten damaged more she would be out for months and months.



Each 1 point of major flood damaged on Yamato class BB in 100 size dry dock (no other ships repairing) is 5 days of repairs. Trust me i know.
Sys and engine repairs much faster.



Here she is fixing system damage 2-3 weeks ago.





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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 11:19:34 AM   
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Do you think some planes are easier to hit enemy shipping with as kamikazes? Or does it simply devolve to LNav?




I dont think it is because plane is designed kami or not.
But i believe speed, maneuverability, durability are factors that help plane survive first a2a phase and second the AA phase. Is is better to be faster, maneuverable and armored.
After that it is only pilot skill vs dice-roll

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 11:22:00 AM   
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Just got caught up again. Wow, it's too bad the escorts didn't fly when they were needed.

What happened to the Musashi run?

Cheers,
CC



She got into a long fight with Fletchers, sunk one or two more, but then retired to replenish ammo. She has done that lately now...her Captain is a little too timid, plus she had about 12 sys damage at the highest. She is getting ready to sortie again soon.

But then on the other hand, if she had gotten damaged more she would be out for months and months.



Each 1 point of major flood damaged on Yamato class BB in 100 size dry dock (no other ships repairing) is 5 days of repairs. Trust me i know.
Sys and engine repairs much faster.



Here she is fixing system damage 2-3 weeks ago.



I suggest to send, to potential ports You will be repairing ships, as many as You can naval engineers. They can speed up repairs outside dry dock by 20-30%


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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 11:32:15 AM   
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Today, is the day of the dive bomber. The Navy dive bomber. I have a targeted raid flying from Ominato of about 300, and they are going to strike a 10 ship screening task force of Fletchers one hex west of Kushiro that have stood guard duty preventing quick access into Kushiro.

George & Tojo is sweeping into Kushiro to tie up enemy CAP. Tonies have the day off.

Four destroyers are heading one hex short of the planned strike to take on more PT boats, but the Allies heavy use of PT boats in Indochina, I think have hurt his numbers here...only about a dozen left in two groups.

I don't know how many destroyers the Allies have all told now, but I have sunk 173 of them according to Tracker including 22 Fletchers. I do know they will have over 1000 of the beasts.

I think continual attacks on the Allied surface fleet can whittle it down to a manageable size at least here in early 44...my destroyers are healing, and I just got 20 more back from their far flung posts across the Empire.

Rather than have the bombers stand idle this turn, they are all on ASW including the torpedo planes. I want to clear the area of subs.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 11:34:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Just got caught up again. Wow, it's too bad the escorts didn't fly when they were needed.

What happened to the Musashi run?

Cheers,
CC



She got into a long fight with Fletchers, sunk one or two more, but then retired to replenish ammo. She has done that lately now...her Captain is a little too timid, plus she had about 12 sys damage at the highest. She is getting ready to sortie again soon.

But then on the other hand, if she had gotten damaged more she would be out for months and months.



Each 1 point of major flood damaged on Yamato class BB in 100 size dry dock (no other ships repairing) is 5 days of repairs. Trust me i know.
Sys and engine repairs much faster.



Here she is fixing system damage 2-3 weeks ago.



I suggest to send, to potential ports You will be repairing ships, as many as You can naval engineers. They can speed up repairs outside dry dock by 20-30%



Good advice, speeding up merchants loading and unloading perhaps not as important now, plus naval support doesn't help with oil any how. Thanks.

One problem is I have a bunch in Camh Ran Bay and Singers...but priority is bringing back combat troops right now.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 11:47:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I finished reading Radar vs GreyJoy where the identical thing happened a couple of months later.

Radar was able to really put together two spectacular raids. One against a CVE fleet east of Hokkaido, and a second against the Deathstar during the invasion of Honshu. He was also able to contain two invasions on Honshu of 6000 AV each. Really well done.

There was a house rule about night bombing...and as GreyJoy became frustrated he sought to change it.

Radar's plane losses were staggering. He eventually wound up putting untrained rookies into his escort fighters, where only numbers mattered. He staged strikes where he lost 400 Oscars escorting 300 bombers, and not a single bomber was attacked by the 2000 plane cap.

He also lost most of his remaining surface fleet trying to bombard the Allies air bases. He pulled off one decent bombardment, tried again and the Admiral just advanced a few hexes, dithered, and then was sunk during the day by Allied planes. Sounds familiar doesn't it.

GreyJoy pulled of a great CAP Trap, simulating an invasion of Honshu, Radar bought it and lost 600 planes.

I am off to troll thru GreyJoys extensive AAR. I read the very end when I first started I seem to recall...from Radar's screen shots I know I have inflicted more plane losses than him at an earlier date, and I seem to have somewhat better fighters, but he has a KB although not sure on how big it was.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 12:15:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stolen from GreyJoy's AAR, here is the result of a failed Japanese attack in the Solomons.

One poster put how does Radar recover?...the cost was staggering. GreyJoy's response that Radar has recovered from 20 of these type dramatic losses in the past and never runs out of planes. Sweeps are little less effective, but that is it.

Less than a year later, Radar had lost 38K planes.

This game will be on par with that.

So batten down the hatches, put on your flak jacket, just say no to parachutes, and off we go into the world of astronomical plane losses!




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 12:24:50 PM   
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One thing to note, is that I have destroyed more LCU VP now, than Radar did in an additional 9 months of hard fighting.

We are on pace to lose that many planes.

I have to sink 500 more ships to equal Radar's tally...




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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 12:37:10 PM   
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If he could, then you could!

Radar got about as much warning of the attack as you did, so ff he could stop GJ, then you could!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/26/2015 12:37:39 PM   
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Which would be a big help!

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