Slitherine

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For the majority of this little project I've been quietly watching from afar, all the way back to when Steve first got involved. I eagerly bought the game upon release and have for the most part enjoyed my playing experience and therefore have continued to patiently wait for bug fixes and improvements to stability. I must however admit to becoming rather disillusioned whilst playing the latest (official) release v1.3.3.0 and I seem to have encountered more bugs and crashes than ever before! To be fair this may be in part be to my better understanding of the rules and what to expect as well as playing with a lot more of the optional rules. However I do think that we are now at a crossroads and decisions need to be made about the future (if any) of the games development. For example is all the recent work on NetPlay worthwhile? I don't see any attempts or examples of anybody attempting to play via NetPlay! Surely it would make more sense to get solitaire working without major issues first, each new version seems to introduce new bugs to the solitaire play, with this in mind, would it not make sense to develop two versions separately from one another, one solitaire and one for NetPlay i.e Steve could work on the Netplay bugs without impacting Solitaire players. Obviously in an ideal world this wouldn't be necessary but as we all know this isn't an ideal world.

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

I do feel a bit smug, I won't deny it. But let's you be honest as well: that smugness arises as a reaction to the fact that I and an unfortunately small number of others brought up years ago legitimate concerns about Matrix, Steve and obvious flaws in the MWiF process and how they were managing it and characterizing it, and these concerns were variously ignored, belittled, or at best swept aside by perhaps well-meaning but ultimately empty appeals to authority. "How many games have YOU programmed???" was of course the most common refrain, along with "Matrix knows what it's doing" in the face of obvious evidence that Matrix either didn't know what it was doing or didn't care, either stance a fatal blow to MWiF. Again, this went on for YEARS.

So yeah, I'm smug now. This community has earned it. Instead of bemoaning your difficulty in composing a defense for Matrix, you should reconsider what exactly they have done to earn a defense.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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ORIGINAL: brian brian
But yet I think MWiF reminds me of a famous old children's song about an ant and a rubber tree plant. When I look in the AAR threads, I see rubber tree plants moving...

hmmm, do you mind if I ask where you're from? Where I'm from we don't have a famous children's song about an ant and a rubber tree plant?

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ORIGINAL: NielsJuel

Sorry, it was just that you mentioned a certain forum troll that wrote that Matrix had abandoned the game. It sounded similar to what I wrote.
Im just disappointed and frustrated and maybe a little touchy and thin skinned, sorry about that.

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Keep playing, Captain Salty. I'll also keep playing CWiF, which conveniently allows you to transport resources, trace correct supply AND return to base. IT MUST BE MAGIC?!?!?!?

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Keep playing, Captain Salty. I'll also keep playing CWiF, which conveniently allows you to transport resources, trace correct supply AND return to base. IT MUST BE MAGIC?!?!?!?

warspite1

bo got General Goofy and I get Captain Salty?? Can I at least be one of the seven dwarfs too please? How about Admiral Dopey?

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ORIGINAL: bo

I know I am on thin ice warspite when centuur agrees with you about my post. Now I am not a member of the high IQ Mensa society which a member would be intelligent enough to drop this subject. I tried to join them but I missed by oh lets say a mere 100 points

Again should Matrix or Erik say something, okay for sake of argument he says I have nothing to say at this moment about the state of MWIF, would that suffice, HELL NO! You called it an outburst by me, maybe someone could rescue me please as I seem to not be pleasing certain posters.

If he has not one speck of MWIF information to give out, some might say he is using "common sense" not to say anything.

Please warspite do not take this to heart, I have no doubt that you read all of the beta posts everyday day in and every day out, I know I do as most of the beta testers do.

You can give more information about the state of MWIF in 10 seconds then Erik could in a month. And if that is the case what information can you give the general forums about bugs that still remain, no netplay, no halfmap scenarios, no optional rules no AI etc.

You know exactly where we stand, or you would if more information was forthcoming from the powers that be. But of course that is not your responsibility to do that, it is Erik's.

Please warspite not trying to cross swords with you, I do not know if Erik even reads the Mwif beta forums or even questions the programmer where he stands on the game. I finally agree he should say something.

Bo

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: WarHunter

Looks like the Dwarves are discussing this also. Fires them up before a battle.
Apology for any real life resemblance.

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

I do feel a bit smug, I won't deny it. But let's you be honest as well: that smugness arises as a reaction to the fact that I and an unfortunately small number of others brought up years ago legitimate concerns about Matrix, Steve and obvious flaws in the MWiF process and how they were managing it and characterizing it, and these concerns were variously ignored, belittled, or at best swept aside by perhaps well-meaning but ultimately empty appeals to authority. "How many games have YOU programmed???" was of course the most common refrain, along with "Matrix knows what it's doing" in the face of obvious evidence that Matrix either didn't know what it was doing or didn't care, either stance a fatal blow to MWiF. Again, this went on for YEARS.

So yeah, I'm smug now. This community has earned it. Instead of bemoaning your difficulty in composing a defense for Matrix, you should reconsider what exactly they have done to earn a defense.

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: WarHunter

Looks like the Dwarves are discussing this also. Fires them up before a battle.
Apology for any real life resemblance.

Warhunter you are so perceptive, you have hit the nail right on the head I noticed you made me the handsome guy with all the curly hair as Mr AI, you thought I would not notice that, a little levity never hurts. Where is centuur and warspite and god forbid crussdaddy

Bo

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Viktor_Kormel

Hey I wanted to be Grumpy Dwarf!

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

I do feel a bit smug, I won't deny it. But let's you be honest as well: that smugness arises as a reaction to the fact that I and an unfortunately small number of others brought up years ago legitimate concerns about Matrix, Steve and obvious flaws in the MWiF process and how they were managing it and characterizing it, and these concerns were variously ignored, belittled, or at best swept aside by perhaps well-meaning but ultimately empty appeals to authority. "How many games have YOU programmed???" was of course the most common refrain, along with "Matrix knows what it's doing" in the face of obvious evidence that Matrix either didn't know what it was doing or didn't care, either stance a fatal blow to MWiF. Again, this went on for YEARS.

So yeah, I'm smug now. This community has earned it. Instead of bemoaning your difficulty in composing a defense for Matrix, you should reconsider what exactly they have done to earn a defense.

You don't have MWIF, so why are you still around? You are the one person here I can't stand or respect, because you are destructive and not interested in MWIF at all, since you are sooo happy with that relic which is also full of bugs called CWIF. Even when you say things which might be valid, I can't stand the fact that you are always talking about the past and that you've warned about this and that. That's pretty much crap and you know it. Criticism from the sidelines without any constructive content...

Now, I can perfectly understand all people who've bought this game and are very unhappy. I respect those people, because they have valid complaints. There are even people who are contributing to getting things right by posting and mailing bugs, after paying a large sum of money for something which isn't up to standards. All those have the right to complain, moan, be impatient, shout, scream and so on. Every right. Because they have invested money...

You, however, are nothing but a troll at the moment. That's sad, really really sad. You think you know how things are at the moment. Let me tell you one thing: anyone who's bought this game has more knowledge on MWIF and the bugs in it. You know nothing and are always saying this and that and it's so and so. Get a life somewhere else...

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Why yes they do And not just here but everywhere else too. Maybe they have a club

Anyone that has played any online games know there are people that are willing to sit and wait and wait at a spot just to kill a newbie or the first person to go through there. Many times for no gain at all.

I don't understand this at all. And as Cruss has told me several times, I do not have to. And he is right.

What I find disappointing is that Cruss HAS provided good ideas in the past that have helped me with the game. I just wished he would do that more. And while I do not have to, I really would like to know why he prefers to be critical without solutions/suggestions when he has the knowledge to be far more helpful

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Why yes they do And not just here but everywhere else too. Maybe they have a club

Anyone that has played any online games know there are people that are willing to sit and wait and wait at a spot just to kill a newbie or the first person to go through there. Many times for no gain at all.

I don't understand this at all. And as Cruss has told me several times, I do not have to. And he is right.

What I find disappointing is that Cruss HAS provided good ideas in the past that have helped me with the game. I just wished he would do that more. And while I do not have to, I really would like to know why he prefers to be critical without solutions/suggestions when he has the knowledge to be far more helpful

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Bo

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: tevans6220

I read this whole discussion and quite honestly the state of MWiF really doesn't surprise me. Matrix sells works in progress. I can safely say that because I own 40 Matrix titles and can't think of one game that was actually completely finished when sold. Most games have taken multiple patches over the years. You can understand some bugs making it through and patches for them. But some games are/were still in development after release. Some still don't work right.

Personally there are two high priced purchases I've made from Matrix that I really regret: MWiF and EiA. Both games have one thing in common. They are one man jobs. There is no team of developers. After years of waiting for a playable, relatively bug free EiA game which could be played against a competent AI, I've given up. My patience for MWiF is wearing thin too. I bought MWiF when it released and was led to believe by Matrix that the game needed just minor patching then work would start on Netplay and AI. Here we are almost 1 1/2 years later and it seems as if nothing has changed. The books are nice but all they do is sit on my nightstand and collect dust. Maybe resources should have been better spent by hiring a team of developers for this project. Heaven forbid but what if something happens to Steve? At this point it seems as though the MWiF project lives and dies with him.

It's no wonder people are upset. I know that I've stopped buying from Matrix because of this. Just once I'd like to buy a game that was actually finished. Bugs and patches for bugs are understandable. But when things are still being patched years after then maybe things are getting released too soon.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Why yes they do And not just here but everywhere else too. Maybe they have a club

Anyone that has played any online games know there are people that are willing to sit and wait and wait at a spot just to kill a newbie or the first person to go through there. Many times for no gain at all.

I don't understand this at all. And as Cruss has told me several times, I do not have to. And he is right.

What I find disappointing is that Cruss HAS provided good ideas in the past that have helped me with the game. I just wished he would do that more. And while I do not have to, I really would like to know why he prefers to be critical without solutions/suggestions when he has the knowledge to be far more helpful

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Bo

warspite1

He has been asked this many times in the past.

I remember when CrusssDaddy came to the forum - and fair enough he was enthusiastic about the game and, like us all, clearly looking forward to playing the game.

Then, at some point, the unfortunate reality set in that the game wasn't going to be finished any time soon. This reality of course dawned on all who have followed the game over the years; some of us have accepted it and continue to support the project, some have dipped in and out, checking on progress from time to time, and some have given up, left the forum having tired of ever seeing this game either launched or - having been launched - of seeing it finished.

But instead of taking any of these approaches, CrusssDaddy has instead just hung around like a bad smell, heckling from the cheap seats, knocking from time to time Matrix, Steve and the beta testers. Some of his comments aimed at Steve when Steve was going through some really bad health issues were quite disgusting. It is this last point that sets him apart from someone just bitter about a game that didn't work out as he wanted, to being a vile troll. He has pronounced on all sorts, expounding wild conspiracy theories (Matrix actively don't want the game out) to nonsense about how he knows loads of companies that would develop the game properly - all of which have mega budgets apparently.....

What makes this behaviour doubly puzzling is that he has admitted that the game is not for him - he doesn't like the graphics or the lack of de-bugger for example. Admitting the game is not one you would buy you would think would be sufficient to just walk away and get on with your life, but....

The question as to why he behaves this way has been asked repeatedly, but always ignored - no doubt because he is too embarrassed to admit the real reason. Fact is we know anyway. He believes the game will ultimately fail and he wants to waste his life waiting for that to happen just so he can have the satisfaction of saying "I told you so".

Pathetic.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Why yes they do And not just here but everywhere else too. Maybe they have a club

Anyone that has played any online games know there are people that are willing to sit and wait and wait at a spot just to kill a newbie or the first person to go through there. Many times for no gain at all.

I don't understand this at all. And as Cruss has told me several times, I do not have to. And he is right.

What I find disappointing is that Cruss HAS provided good ideas in the past that have helped me with the game. I just wished he would do that more. And while I do not have to, I really would like to know why he prefers to be critical without solutions/suggestions when he has the knowledge to be far more helpful

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Bo

warspite1

He has been asked this many times in the past.

I remember when CrusssDaddy came to the forum - and fair enough he was enthusiastic about the game and, like us all, clearly looking forward to playing the game.

Then, at some point, the unfortunate reality set in that the game wasn't going to be finished any time soon. This reality of course dawned on all who have followed the game over the years; some of us have accepted it and continue to support the project, some have dipped in and out, checking on progress from time to time, and some have given up, left the forum having tired of ever seeing this game either launched or - having been launched - of seeing it finished.

But instead of taking any of these approaches, CrusssDaddy has instead just hung around like a bad smell, heckling from the cheap seats, knocking from time to time Matrix, Steve and the beta testers. Some of his comments aimed at Steve when Steve was going through some really bad health issues were quite disgusting. It is this last point that sets him apart from someone just bitter about a game that didn't work out as he wanted, to being a vile troll. He has pronounced on all sorts, expounding wild conspiracy theories (Matrix actively don't want the game out) to nonsense about how he knows loads of companies that would develop the game properly - all of which have mega budgets apparently.....

What makes this behaviour doubly puzzling is that he has admitted that the game is not for him - he doesn't like the graphics or the lack of de-bugger for example. Admitting the game is not one you would buy you would think would be sufficient to just walk away and get on with your life, but....

The question as to why he behaves this way has been asked repeatedly, but always ignored - no doubt because he is too embarrassed to admit the real reason. Fact is we know anyway. He believes the game will ultimately fail and he wants to waste his life waiting for that to happen just so he can have the satisfaction of saying "I told you so".

Pathetic.

If he is a troll (which I doubt) you have given him a success.

You waste time on long winded posts.

And his reply is?



:'(

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

:'(

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ORIGINAL: bo
The play testers here have taken a lot of heat when this game was released, we did not deserve all of the anger because we fought to have this game tabled for awhile which has now turned out a year and a half later still unplayable except for most of solo play.