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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 12:12:43 PM   
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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 12:14:35 PM   
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You have a really amazing grasp of English, but the idiom is "the jig is up." Hundreds of years old. A jig was a dance, or sometimes a practical joke.

I'm off to tutor ESL.


Ooopsie!

I guess I just modernized it...

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 12:22:44 PM   
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You have a really amazing grasp of English, but the idiom is "the jig is up." Hundreds of years old. A jig was a dance, or sometimes a practical joke.

I'm off to tutor ESL.


Ooopsie!

I guess I just modernized it...


"Gig" is a word too. Among other definitions it's a date to perform a live piece of art such as a concert, as well as a noun for a spear to hunt frogs, or the verb for that activity. "Y'all goin' frog giggin'?"

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 1:12:00 PM   
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Gig" is a word too. Among other definitions it's a date to perform a live piece of art such as a concert, as well as a noun for a spear to hunt frogs, or the verb for that activity. "Y'all goin' frog giggin'?"



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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 1:41:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You have a really amazing grasp of English, but the idiom is "the jig is up." Hundreds of years old. A jig was a dance, or sometimes a practical joke.

I'm off to tutor ESL.


Ooopsie!

I guess I just modernized it...


"Gig" is a word too. Among other definitions it's a date to perform a live piece of art such as a concert, as well as a noun for a spear to hunt frogs, or the verb for that activity. "Y'all goin' frog giggin'?"


It might be a bit more complicated than that! Spelling was also a bit fluid in the past and words were not always pronounced as they are now. As this article points out, there is a lot of confusion, but some distinction between the two used as idioms.

When someone says the "gig" is up, they mean that an engagement has played its course.

When someone says the "jig" is up, it indicates that a scoundrel has been found out, and the forces of law and order are on their way.

Clearly, there is a vast distinction between the two words.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/indepth/words/gigjig.html




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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 2:05:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You have a really amazing grasp of English, but the idiom is "the jig is up." Hundreds of years old. A jig was a dance, or sometimes a practical joke.

I'm off to tutor ESL.


Ooopsie!

I guess I just modernized it...


"Gig" is a word too. Among other definitions it's a date to perform a live piece of art such as a concert, as well as a noun for a spear to hunt frogs, or the verb for that activity. "Y'all goin' frog giggin'?"


It might be a bit more complicated than that! Spelling was also a bit fluid in the past and words were not always pronounced as they are now. As this article points out, there is a lot of confusion, but some distinction between the two used as idioms.

When someone says the "gig" is up, they mean that an engagement has played its course.

When someone says the "jig" is up, it indicates that a scoundrel has been found out, and the forces of law and order are on their way.

Clearly, there is a vast distinction between the two words.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/indepth/words/gigjig.html



Or, if "gig" is slang for "gigolo" , "the gig is up" means something else again ...

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 4:06:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You have a really amazing grasp of English, but the idiom is "the jig is up." Hundreds of years old. A jig was a dance, or sometimes a practical joke.

I'm off to tutor ESL.


Ooopsie!

I guess I just modernized it...


"Gig" is a word too. Among other definitions it's a date to perform a live piece of art such as a concert, as well as a noun for a spear to hunt frogs, or the verb for that activity. "Y'all goin' frog giggin'?"


It might be a bit more complicated than that! Spelling was also a bit fluid in the past and words were not always pronounced as they are now. As this article points out, there is a lot of confusion, but some distinction between the two used as idioms.

When someone says the "gig" is up, they mean that an engagement has played its course.

When someone says the "jig" is up, it indicates that a scoundrel has been found out, and the forces of law and order are on their way.

Clearly, there is a vast distinction between the two words.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/indepth/words/gigjig.html



Or, if "gig" is slang for "gigolo" , "the gig is up" means something else again ...


Gross.

I was going to point out before this comment that sometimes people pronounce G like J. I do it with "GIF" where was my friends say it with a hard G and it drives me insane (I swear they all said it with a soft G in 2000...). In any case, if there were a "gig" that was short for gigolo, then it would be pronounced exactly like jig...

Language is fascinating. Perhaps I should've been a linguist.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 4:49:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You have a really amazing grasp of English, but the idiom is "the jig is up." Hundreds of years old. A jig was a dance, or sometimes a practical joke.

I'm off to tutor ESL.


Ooopsie!

I guess I just modernized it...


"Gig" is a word too. Among other definitions it's a date to perform a live piece of art such as a concert, as well as a noun for a spear to hunt frogs, or the verb for that activity. "Y'all goin' frog giggin'?"


It might be a bit more complicated than that! Spelling was also a bit fluid in the past and words were not always pronounced as they are now. As this article points out, there is a lot of confusion, but some distinction between the two used as idioms.

When someone says the "gig" is up, they mean that an engagement has played its course.

When someone says the "jig" is up, it indicates that a scoundrel has been found out, and the forces of law and order are on their way.

Clearly, there is a vast distinction between the two words.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/indepth/words/gigjig.html



Or, if "gig" is slang for "gigolo" , "the gig is up" means something else again ...


Gross.

I was going to point out before this comment that sometimes people pronounce G like J. I do it with "GIF" where was my friends say it with a hard G and it drives me insane (I swear they all said it with a soft G in 2000...). In any case, if there were a "gig" that was short for gigolo, then it would be pronounced exactly like jig...

Language is fascinating. Perhaps I should've been a linguist.

GIF should be pronounced with a hard G, just as in GIFT. In America, JIF is a brand of peanut butter.
To get back to the original comment, the American idiom Jocke was looking for is - "the jig is up".

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 6:52:51 PM   
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GIF should be pronounced with a hard G, just as in GIFT. In America, JIF is a brand of peanut butter.
To get back to the original comment, the American idiom Jocke was looking for is - "the jig is up".



If you say so.... I realize that appeals to authority are not the right way to argue something, but even the creator of it says it's pronounced like JIF, not GIFt! The dictionary recognizes both. My Never Ever Wrong Language Intuition tells me that it's pronounced as "jif" for clarity's sake and because it's an acronym, not a word. All I can say is this is related to spelling bee skills - you either get it or you don't!

"He sent me a GIF"
"Why would he send you a gift?"

Just for example...

PS - that's somewhat tongue-in-cheek

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 7:08:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You have a really amazing grasp of English, but the idiom is "the jig is up." Hundreds of years old. A jig was a dance, or sometimes a practical joke.

I'm off to tutor ESL.


Ooopsie!

I guess I just modernized it...


"Gig" is a word too. Among other definitions it's a date to perform a live piece of art such as a concert, as well as a noun for a spear to hunt frogs, or the verb for that activity. "Y'all goin' frog giggin'?"


It might be a bit more complicated than that! Spelling was also a bit fluid in the past and words were not always pronounced as they are now. As this article points out, there is a lot of confusion, but some distinction between the two used as idioms.

When someone says the "gig" is up, they mean that an engagement has played its course.

When someone says the "jig" is up, it indicates that a scoundrel has been found out, and the forces of law and order are on their way.

Clearly, there is a vast distinction between the two words.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/indepth/words/gigjig.html



I read the whole article and the bottom-line--after a number of excursions into the bushes--is that the idiom is "the jig is up", has been at least since 1777, and is found some form back to Shakespeare. A jig was (and is) a form of dance and "is up" meant "is over" in the 18th C. ( And still does. "Your time is up.")

This article is also from Canada, which has its own issues with English.

Unsaid anywhere, there or here, is also a modern issue. In the US "jig" until quite recently was a shortened form of a highly distasteful racial slur. There may be some attempts in the media to change the spelling of the idiom's word to "gig" for that reason.

I also, on my drive to ESL camp, recalled another use of "gig" from my Navy days. A gig was a demerit at OCS. One could be "gigged" by an inspecting officer, usually for a uniform or grooming violation. And we were often ordered to "Check yer gig line!" before such inspections. A "gig line" was the line from the last button on the shirt/blouse, passing through the edge of a properly placed standard belt buckle, and extending down to a vertical zipper. IOW, everything in vertical alignment. Not aligned, you got gigged. Demerits had to marched off on Saturday afternoons when others were on liberty. Back and forth across a parking lot, rifle at right shoulder arms. Stop, about face, repeat until released by the CDO.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 7:16:08 PM   
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GIF should be pronounced with a hard G, just as in GIFT. In America, JIF is a brand of peanut butter.
To get back to the original comment, the American idiom Jocke was looking for is - "the jig is up".



If you say so.... I realize that appeals to authority are not the right way to argue something, but even the creator of it says it's pronounced like JIF, not GIFt! The dictionary recognizes both. My Never Ever Wrong Language Intuition tells me that it's pronounced as "jif" for clarity's sake and because it's an acronym, not a word. All I can say is this is related to spelling bee skills - you either get it or you don't!

"He sent me a GIF"
"Why would he send you a gift?"

Just for example...

PS - that's somewhat tongue-in-cheek


Wasn't it Graphical Interface Format or similar? Lossless? I thought the story was it was proprietary to CompuServe in the early 80s and they were jerks about allowing free use of it. So .jpg spread just as the Internet exploded demand for graphics. In most ways it's better (again, lossless), but greed sidelined it.

I always heard hard-G back in the 80s and 90s, but millennials seem to have made it peanut butter. I blame porn.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 8:31:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		All this talk about gigs, and no one has mentioned the Captain's gig! Surprising on a naval interest forum!

BTW Moose, the biggest reason jpeg eclipsed gif is that the latter defined every pixel in an image and consequently used huge amounts of memory/storage/transmission time (before these were cheap and enormous) while jpeg is a compressed file format that uses much less space/memory/transmission time.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 9:56:56 PM   
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All this talk about gigs, and no one has mentioned the Captain's gig! Surprising on a naval interest forum!

BTW Moose, the biggest reason jpeg eclipsed gif is that the latter defined every pixel in an image and consequently used huge amounts of memory/storage/transmission time (before these were cheap and enormous) while jpeg is a compressed file format that uses much less space/memory/transmission time.


A cursory look around the interwebs say the original GIF format was compressed. Big patent brawl between Unisys and CompuServe, so uncompressed GIF was developed to try to go around. Meanwhile PNG was launched to replace GIF. JPEG was a different route.

My impression as a layman was always GIFs were bigger but better color rendition. And lossless on transmission. JPRG was a quick & dirty, smaller format that was not lossless. Different end goals.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/10/2015 9:57:42 PM   
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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/11/2015 12:51:06 AM   
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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/11/2015 4:23:37 AM   
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Olorin is probably looking at all these posts and thinking Joc is up to something diabolical. Little does he know that it's just a long-winded discussion on idioms and file formats.

Cheers,
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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/11/2015 6:52:12 AM   
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In a pile of the usual Japanese successes we get some good news at least.

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Pacific
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KB is spotted on the 29th giving support to a landing on Canton Island. Baker is also invaded on the 30th. Japanese control of CENTPAC is now almost total. I´m not giving up without a fight though and have some things in planning.

The new Allied transport network is now up and running. I like it. I´ll probably always do like this from now on.

A small nugget in the darkness. Remember the Triton?

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Sub attack near Niihau at 174,108

Japanese Ships
TK Manju Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Ginyo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Triton


With three "fuel cargo burning" messages she is a goner.

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DEI
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Japanese sweeps and bombings on Java and Borneo continue. I can´t do anything about that right now. Nick also found where the air force was hiding on Luzon. Damn.

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Night Naval bombardment of Batangas at 79,78

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 28 damaged
PBY-4 Catalina: 10 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara
CA Nachi
CA Haguro
CL Kuma
CL Natori
DD Karukaya
DD Fuyo
DD Asagao
DD Kamikaze
DD Minazuki


Luckily no planes were destroyed. Rather then risk losing some I disbanded the fighter squadrons. The 32 Fighters will be better used later on with trained pilots. The CATs relocate to the archipelago.

We also got some more sub goodness.

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Submarine attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 64,73

Japanese Ships
TK Tonan Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1

Allied Ships
SS Tarpon



Sinking sounds were heard just after the attack! Doubt it was from the tanker though as no additional messages was displayed.

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Burma
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Looks like the supply from Rangoon indeed flowed straight back to Calcutta....great. Recon is sketchy but the IGD should arrive at Moulmein in a few days.

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China
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Nick responds to the 1500 AV moving towards Ichang. I don´t want to face them in the open so I stop at the x2 terrain. More reserves at Changsha are being readied just in case. Still 6 units listed at Ichang. One lone unit has moved into the terrain to the North currently held by Chinese troops. Looks like a full ID. Won´t be enough to dislodge the 600+ Chinese AV in 3x terrain. 300 more AV will arrive in a couple of days. This is starting to look like more like a feint. The main assault will be up the Ankang road and/or on the southern road to Sian. I have no less then 26(!) Japanese units spotted in that area.

Reserves at Sian is being sent south!

An empty Ankang is recaptured with 1700 supply. Nick probably spotted the Chinese troops closing in and airlifted out.




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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 8:26:52 AM   
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Pace has slowed considerably after the initial rush of 2-3 turns per day. We are now getting one per day done. Things are not being helped by me constantly going out of town during the weekends. Never ending stream of weddings and christenings!

This weekend is no exception.

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Poor Honolulu is finally sent to the bottom.

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Sub attack near Pearl Harbor at 187,93

Japanese Ships
SS I-168

Allied Ships
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Chew


Canton island is invaded.

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Not much to report. I´m slowly building up defenses on Luzon and troops keep arriving. SL is a problem. Last game I pulled back to Manila but this time I´ll try something different. I have almost 2000 AV spread around Manila, Clark and Bataan. Forts are between 3 and 4. It will take some time for Nick to overcome this.

Still no sign of the 6 IDs previously at Singapore. I have a lot of traffic going to Bangkok though...heading for Burma?

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Moulmein is captured. Not a very strong force but the IGD is somewhere in the area too.

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Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 984 troops, 50 guns, 98 vehicles, Assault Value = 308

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 52

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 52 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Moulmein !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
55th Cavalry Regiment
1st RTA/A Division
14th Tank Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
1st RTA/B Division
1st RTA/C Division
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
43rd Const Co
7th JAAF Base Force
15th Army
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
94th JAAF AF Bn


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China
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A northern thrust also materializes.

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Ground combat at 90,32 (near Paotow)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 15767 troops, 93 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 498

Defending force 11578 troops, 85 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 305

Japanese adjusted assault: 561

Allied adjusted defense: 34

Japanese assault odds: 16 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
356 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
3374 casualties reported
Squads: 194 destroyed, 109 disabled
Non Combat: 122 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 46 (25 destroyed, 21 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
12th Indpt Infantry Regiment
11th Indpt Infantry Regiment
26th Engineer Regiment
21st AA Regiment

Defending units:
11th Chinese Corps
81st Chinese Corps
17th Group Army


I never saw them moving and he caught me in move mode. Dang. They have a long way to go though and I´ve sent around 600 AV from Sian North to start digging in.

In the center the Japanese massing of troops continues. I can´t do anything but look on.

SIGINT reveals a RGT prepping for Kumming. Could Nick be trying a Southern push up from Indochina? Sent the only recon I have there to have a looksie. If those 6 IDs from Singers go there things will turn ugly for me.




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Where to spend my PPs... do I buy out parts of the 5th Chinese corps OR the 3 independent Indian brigades on Ceylon? Or do I save up and buy out the 27th US ID?

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Now an interesting dilemma.

Where to spend my PPs... do I buy out parts of the 5th Chinese corps OR the 3 independent Indian brigades on Ceylon? Or do I save up and buy out the 27th US ID?

What are your intentions? To fight in Burma or the Imphal area? To set up a defence for key Indian cities? A strong unit for SoPac or Australia?

The Ceylon troops can be airlifted to the mainland and used for city defence. The Chinese would be useful in Burma if they get a little time to train and fill out some TOE first. The US ID would be useful in many places, but you need a vision of where you will use them to start them moving.
I would also look at the leaders to see if there is an additional cost to get a decent leader for each unit.

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Status: offline 		My mindset is almost always to prep for an invasion of India even if it doesn't happen. Thus, one or two American divisions go there. Don't forget a few DB groups and some AA units.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 12:53:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mr. Kane alluded to a strategy using all your bombers to fly in supplies to China. I think he eventually may have had around one 1000 total supplies being flown in daily thru bombers and transports. Or perhaps he didn't do this but theorized it was possible.

You sacrifice a lot to do that...but you might save China.

Of course the idea got a lot of flak when presented: Why would Japan allow you to do this unmolested, etc., etc. Still, I think the idea has some merit, especially for the weaker British bombing arm which is very vulnerable (I am thinking Blenheims here).


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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 3:19:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would be willing to bet that it was hypothetical.

It would take considerable time to get every "useless" bomber there in the first place.

It would take a massive buildup of the airbase infrastructure in NE India to support it and it would be necessary to transport massive numbers of base forces there to keep the planes flying.

It might be an interesting experiment to try, but the logistics of it seem really daunting.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 3:59:27 PM   
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I would be willing to bet that it was hypothetical.

It would take considerable time to get every "useless" bomber there in the first place.

It would take a massive buildup of the airbase infrastructure in NE India to support it and it would be necessary to transport massive numbers of base forces there to keep the planes flying.

It might be an interesting experiment to try, but the logistics of it seem really daunting.


You are quite correct, and the bombers aren't useless...there is quite an opportunity cost in training, search, ASW, and bombing to be made. Perhaps too great.

But I mention it, because with the Pearl going on perhaps there is a chance, however, small to do something like this. It is worth a little brainpower I think.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 4:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don´t really have any "intentions" yet. It depends on where Nick will go. I usually buy out the 27th and send them to OZ/SOPAC. But this time the WC is under threat and even though a WC invasion is extremely unlikely I have to be ready for it.

The 5th Chinese Corp could make a decent speed bump in Burma and would be valuable in the future as well. But its also a great roadblock into the mountains from Burma when Nick gets there. Besides once they are trashed I can buy them out cheaper.

The 3 BDEs on Ceylon is pretty useless (40/40) where they are right now. But if places behind the big forts at Karachi and Bombay they can probably make a big difference. So this is what I´m leaning towards right now. My gut feeling says Tom will come for OZ/SOPAC though. And if he does having the 27th ID there could make a huge difference.... decisions decisions....

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 4:37:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		So what are you drinking tonight?

A little hair of the dog? Mmmm., yummy!

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 4:45:54 PM   
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So what are you drinking tonight?

A little hair of the dog? Mmmm., yummy!


You won´t believe this... I´m drinking...

COFFEE!

Have to get up like crazy early tomorrow (even by my standards) for a 3 hour drive.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 5:16:18 PM   
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I don´t really have any "intentions" yet. It depends on where Nick will go. I usually buy out the 27th and send them to OZ/SOPAC. But this time the WC is under threat and even though a WC invasion is extremely unlikely I have to be ready for it.

The 5th Chinese Corp could make a decent speed bump in Burma and would be valuable in the future as well. But its also a great roadblock into the mountains from Burma when Nick gets there. Besides once they are trashed I can buy them out cheaper.



Is the 5th the one with the "American" OOB? I don't have the game handy. If it is that one should not be trashed If you can help it. I recall a lot of really good arty.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 6:49:20 PM   
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Is the 5th the one with the "American" OOB? I don't have the game handy. If it is that one should not be trashed If you can help it. I recall a lot of really good arty.


Yeah I think so. On the phone and I can´t be bothered to start the computer! If it is they do have some decent arty. But only with "Chinese standards". Some 75mm guns if I recall correctly.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 6/12/2015 6:50:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		No turn from Nick yet so I´ll be signing off until Sunday! Have to try and get some sleep.

Keep me off page 2 or heads will roll!

EDIT: Just when I wrote that a turn showed up. You will have to wait for the update though!

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