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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/21/2015 8:10:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Oh...crap...Hiei keeps going. Well...this is why you signed up!




This seems to be the theme for this game, the carnage is horrific. Even so, he just took damage that is going to cost him.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/21/2015 8:30:00 PM   
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Noumea: I think this leaves the even more beat up 4th Div and a SNLF at Noumea. Jap heavies 480 miles N of Koumac...probably headed for a night bombardment of Noumea. The 3 cruisers aren't going to be enough. Warpsite can't join easily because of the position of the KB. Looks like a night battle is in the works the night of 30/31. The CA need to (in order of priority):

1) Stop a shore bombardment by making the Jap heavies use up their ammo
2) Sink or put out of action the Jap heavies.
3) Not get sunk

If the airfield is intact, Jap cripples will be vulnerable to the SBD's...very Guadalcanalish.


A young Staff Officer waves several stacks of After Action reports with his left hand in frustration. "It seems that the exact opposite of what we expected happened in every case here! The Warspite did in fact engage the enemy, the Jap heavies didn't use up all their ammo, we didn't stop the shore bombardment nor put any of their bombardment force out of action, and I don't even want to discuss 'ships not getting sunk'. A quick leafing through of the aircraft losses leads even me to believe that the airfield may not quite be operational. I think it's time to get a new magic 8-ball, or stop asking questions with too many double negatives - it makes interpreting the answers too difficult."

"I can just hear the Admiral now."

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Santa Maria!

Well..the plan was good. I blame the staff.






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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 3:26:14 PM   
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A young Staff Officer waves several stacks of After Action reports with his left hand in frustration. "It seems that the exact opposite of what we expected happened in every case here! The Warspite did in fact engage the enemy, the Jap heavies didn't use up all their ammo, we didn't stop the shore bombardment nor put any of their bombardment force out of action, and I don't even want to discuss 'ships not getting sunk'. A quick leafing through of the aircraft losses leads even me to believe that the airfield may not quite be operational. I think it's time to get a new magic 8-ball, or stop asking questions with too many double negatives - it makes interpreting the answers too difficult."

"I can just hear the Admiral now."




Enjoy the many scenic wonders of N&IC, young man.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 3:28:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Situation S and SE of Noumea. Having been built with Sheffield steel, Warspite, despite 4 torpedo hits and 3 bomb hits is still able to make 16 kts with only 20% flotation damage




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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 3:29:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		The runway at Noumea is at 56% damage. If there is no attack tonight we might be able to get fighters aloft.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 3:35:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aircraft destroyed on the "ground". Most of the this is from Zuiho...but it seems like too many. Perhaps some were on Zuiho and were taken out by 15 inch rounds




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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 3:39:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Over in the Medium and Lesser Sundas, the remaining Dutch squadron is mean to the retreating TK's

Night Time Surface Combat, near Kofiau at 80,107, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Shimushu
TB Kasasagi
TK Akatsuki Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
TK Akebono Maru
TK Goyo Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires

Allied Ships
CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 1
DD Kortenaer
DD Witte de With
DD Banckert

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 4:51:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Situation S and SE of Noumea. Having been built with Sheffield steel, Warspite, despite 4 torpedo hits and 3 bomb hits is still able to make 16 kts with only 20% flotation damage




Holy crap! She must also be towing a balsa wood replica as a decoy!

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 4:59:00 PM   
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Aircraft destroyed on the "ground". Most of the this is from Zuiho...but it seems like too many. Perhaps some were on Zuiho and were taken out by 15 inch rounds





Is it possible Ryujo sank overnight also? It was listed as Heavy Damage, if flight ops were suspended, and it sank later in the turn, that could explain it. Zuiho and Ryujo each only carry 30/31 aircraft, so 40 ground losses is too high, but (assuming some attrition) losing 20 from each is possible.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 5:09:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes...sinking of Ryujo would explain the numbers. She was hit quite badly and burning. In my experience, the ground losses are quite reliable intel. Also, as it was a daytime battle, both CVL's would likely have
had part of their air complement aloft on CAP or search.


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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 5:10:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interestingly, there were B5N1's in the strike. Normally, there would be B5N2's aboard the CV's

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 5:13:59 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 5:15:58 PM   
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Holy crap! She must also be towing a balsa wood replica as a decoy!


Exactly, I have never seen 4 IJN aerial torpedo hits result in only 20% flotation damage.





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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 5:49:28 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		OK..watched the replay.

Ryujo 5 hits from Warspite...numerous secondary explosions

Zuiho 6 hits from Warspite..secondary explosions..reported sunk on intel screen

Hiryu 3 hits from Warspite..at least one large secondary explosion..burning pretty good

Soryu 1 hit from Warspite..no fire.

Hiryu also suffered a collision at the start of the battle.

On the combat replay Warspite seems to suffer only 1 torpedo hit???

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 6:00:16 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 6:25:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just realized there were TWO BB centered groups inbound to Noumea, Hiei and Kirishima

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 9:04:32 PM   
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I just realized there were TWO BB centered groups inbound to Noumea, Hiei and Kirishima

Well, send the unsinkable Warspite in there to deal with them! She may not have 15" rounds left but there are probably still some 6" aboard. About seventy hits on each BB should make them burn up ...

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 10:16:04 PM   
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A young Staff Officer waves several stacks of After Action reports with his left hand in frustration. "It seems that the exact opposite of what we expected happened in every case here! The Warspite did in fact engage the enemy, the Jap heavies didn't use up all their ammo, we didn't stop the shore bombardment nor put any of their bombardment force out of action, and I don't even want to discuss 'ships not getting sunk'. A quick leafing through of the aircraft losses leads even me to believe that the airfield may not quite be operational. I think it's time to get a new magic 8-ball, or stop asking questions with too many double negatives - it makes interpreting the answers too difficult."

"I can just hear the Admiral now."




Enjoy the many scenic wonders of N&IC, young man.



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Ryujo 5 hits from Warspite...numerous secondary explosions

Zuiho 6 hits from Warspite..secondary explosions..reported sunk on intel screen

Hiryu 3 hits from Warspite..at least one large secondary explosion..burning pretty good

Soryu 1 hit from Warspite..no fire.

Hiryu also suffered a collision at the start of the battle.


LTjg Ranma Saotome, formerly of the IJN CV Zuiho and aide to her now missing Captain, thanked the crew of the whale boat that pulled him from the sea. The Spanish speaking crew immediately ignored him as they searched for other survivors.

Saotome muttered to himself, "Those cunning American planners, we must have fallen right into their trap. How did they know where we would be? Their planning staff must be manned by geniuses."

As the whale boat approached the parent fishing vessel the jg noted her name. 'Santa Maria, Concepcion Chile'.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/23/2015 10:37:57 PM   
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Can an invasion of South America be far off? Is the Lt. still covered by the landing bonus?
So much FOW here ...

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Trout Almondine - 6/25/2015 4:22:12 AM   
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Oz: Cruisers try to bombard Japs headed toward the front line near Brisbane. BB's had parked at Marysborough for 2 d. They picked tonight to go crusing.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Brisbane at 96,159, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 6
BB Yamashiro
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kawakaze
DD Mikazuki

Allied Ships
CA Salt Lake City, Shell hits 1, on fire
CA Canberra, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Perth, Shell hits 1, on fire
DM Ramsay, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Le Triomphant

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RE: Trout Almondine - 6/25/2015 4:28:21 AM   
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 95,159 , near Brisbane

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 22
P-40E Warhawk x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 7 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
266 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

First attack North of Brisbane. Oops. We are in trouble.

Ground combat at 95,159 (near Brisbane)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24130 troops, 357 guns, 189 vehicles, Assault Value = 688

Defending force 8028 troops, 138 guns, 162 vehicles, Assault Value = 260

Japanese adjusted assault: 379

Allied adjusted defense: 265

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
649 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 63 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled

Allied ground losses:
792 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 39 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 18 (7 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 41 (20 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Assaulting units:
144th Infantry Regiment
2nd Recon Regiment
38th Division
4th Infantry Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Field Artillery Regiment
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Cav Recce Regiment
5th LH Motor Regiment
25th Cav Recce Regiment
16th LH MG Regiment
1st Australian Brigade
14th LH MG Regiment
16th Fld RAA Regiment
1st RAA Med Arty Regiment

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RE: Trout Almondine - 6/25/2015 4:38:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		up in the Jimas: Fresh Trout...M&M torpedoes.

Sub attack near Hachijo-jima at 114,64

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Kako
CA Ashigara
CA Chokai
CA Takao
CL Yubari
CL Natori
DD Asanagi
DD Hayate

Allied Ships
SS Trout

Ammo storage explosion on CV Kaga



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RE: Trout Almondine - 6/25/2015 4:39:20 AM   
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RE: Trout Almondine - 6/25/2015 4:50:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Noumea: Hiei has another go at Noumea but is driven off by the PT boats.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Noumea at 115,160, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
CA Tone
CL Sendai

Allied Ships
PT-44, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-46
PT-47

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RE: Trout Almondine - 6/25/2015 4:51:03 AM   
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RE: Trout Almondine - 6/25/2015 3:15:25 PM   
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up in the Jimas: Fresh Trout...M&M torpedoes.

Sub attack near Hachijo-jima at 114,64

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Kako
CA Ashigara
CA Chokai
CA Takao
CL Yubari
CL Natori
DD Asanagi
DD Hayate

Allied Ships
SS Trout

Ammo storage explosion on CV Kaga





I can just see it.

<Tired lookout port side bridge> Whatta all them bubbles in the ... BOOM

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/25/2015 4:20:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I feel kinda bad for us sinking or damaging Jap carriers two days in a row.........yes..it's an odd warm feeling mixed with like.. remorse..like you bought something stupid like $400 boots that hurt your toes....OK......yes...over it now.


I don't use the empathy center in the hypothalamus very much. I probably used up all the nerurotransmitters. I think I will go watch the combat replay to see the explosion.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/25/2015 4:24:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Little Yellow Baahstards didn't show any quarter when they pursued our crippled carrier out of the Bismarck Sea, did they?

I imagine this is how sentiments become hardened in the real thing.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/25/2015 9:14:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		So it looks like the IJN may have suffered critical damage to as many as 5 CV's in the last two days, combine this with the USN losses up to this point and the attack capability of both sides has been crippled and it is only 02 Feb 42(e). Can you post a ships lost to this point screen?

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/25/2015 9:24:25 PM   
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OK..watched the replay.

Ryujo 5 hits from Warspite...numerous secondary explosions

Zuiho 6 hits from Warspite..secondary explosions..reported sunk on intel screen

Hiryu 3 hits from Warspite..at least one large secondary explosion..burning pretty good

Soryu 1 hit from Warspite..no fire.

Hiryu also suffered a collision at the start of the battle.

On the combat replay Warspite seems to suffer only 1 torpedo hit???
warspite1

All in a day's work for the Grand Old Lady

1 torpedo hit? Bah, that's nothing to this old girl.....


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