Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

My initial observation that Huw Jones put his AGC landbridge defensive line too far forward is correct. Setting the initial d-line behind the river line immediately east of Smolensk seems best as 1)better terrain 2) more time to solidify, and 3)further from slowly advancing railhead.

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ORIGINAL: chaos45

Hitman disagree personally he just didnt run once Pelton broke thru if he had run on T6 instead of sticking tight he could have done a gradual retreat by holding firm now the panzers will out distance his ability to retreat.

You want a forward line at Vitebsk to buy time and if its solid enough the germans have to wait for infantry once they break it and most likely pocket a few divisions u drop back to smolensk with woods to the north and minor river to anchor the south....with a back up line on the river east of smolensk....then next turn drop back to that line....then after that drop back on the swamps....then set to hold firm in the woods in front of moscow as your last ditch. Thats my take on defending the front of moscow and at the same time you cant let the north and south of there fall to fast or the germans can flank moscow...the terrain to the north is nice as it slows German movement the south not so great.

If/when WiTE2 comes out and every -1% of supply/ammo affects CV I think you will see the Soviets able to stop/slow the quick moving german units more easily. Right now were only under 50% matters its not an issue fuel is really the only thing that matters to the germans. All in all with HQBU the Germans can do better than historically period. The slight nerf in .05 may be really all thats needed to get it to complete historical.

The germans were stopped by both casualties and logistics something the game still struggles to replicate but its getting close.

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ORIGINAL: mattp

I was wondering whether Pelton would consolidate his gains in the center and ball up for another major push or if he would immediately press the advantage and disarray in the center. I guess he chose the latter and now the Soviet center is in real trouble.

HJ really needs to shift some forces off the Lovat river north and from the south to center immediately. Fall back off Gomel to Bryansk with a light screen to allow even more units to go with center. Without armor flipping hexes, it will take 3 turns for the GHC infantry to advance from Dnepr to Bryansk. And he probably needs to abandon those units that are ZOC locked to their fate. Counterattacking to free them is just going to put more units in harm's way. He needs 1 turn of breathing space to build a solid line so at this point he might even want to fall back all the way to his final Moscow defense line as GHC must be far off further than normal the railheads given their massive advances of the last 2 turns.

SHC could really use some mud about now....

SHC is ever resilient and HJ knows what he's doing, so I expect to see a pretty solid line in front of Moscow in Russian T9 Screens.....we'll see.

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ORIGINAL: Huw Jones



I knew there was going to be a breakthrough in Smolensk and most likely in the South on T7.

I was planning on to pulling back from Dneper as far as D-Town area.

At the time I didn't think of it, BUT Gomel industry should have been completely evacuated T6 and the Army there with OK units, which were all close to the rail line should have been RR to the Center.

The units North and South of Gomel, could have expanded slightly, just making a light screen.

But HJ has not been on the ball here.

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ORIGINAL: mattp

Well, losing the Gomel industry isn't the end of the world. The delay in shifting those units on the northern Dnepr who are facing off 1/10th their number is the error as those boys could have shovels in hands. Still I think if he's going all in the center, then you have to as well.