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Unwanted bombardments!! - 6/29/2015 5:48:45 PM

leehunt27@bloomberg.net

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hey there, my brave but vastly outnumbered Japanese garrison on Guam continues to bombard USMC landings in a PBEM game, May, 1944. At first it wasn't a problem
when the Allied forces were about equal to mine. Now the AV ratio is about 2100 Allied to 500 IJ, and I'm taking heavy losses though i'm doing the
bombarding. The combat report below has happened with similar results two turns in a row as the Americans land more troop reinforcements.

I have carefully set all my troops to "Defend" each turn (even though it defaults to Bombard on the landings). But even what seems to be a small
landing is causing the japanese more casualties than a deliberate attack practically! I have to reset my troops to "Defend" from "Bombard" after
each landing. Is there a way to stop this defaulting to Bombard? How can i save my guys from this automatic nightmare? Please help :) Thanks!

(And yes, virtually the entire USMC and several army divisions are on Guam. Its been a four month epic battle with lots of ships sunk around the island too).

Ground combat at Guam (106,95) (May 22nd, 1944)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24027 troops, 310 guns, 70 vehicles, Assault Value = 520

Defending force 111267 troops, 2824 guns, 2996 vehicles, Assault Value = 2202

Japanese ground losses:
574 casualties reported
Squads: 73 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 40 (25 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
54th Naval Guard Unit
36th Infantry Regiment
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
35th Ind.Mixed Brigade
5th South Seas Det.
21st Division
33rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
67th Naval Guard Unit
15th Base Force
19th Field AF Construction Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
56th Naval Guard Unit
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
65th Construction Battalion
52nd JNAF AF Unit
18th Field AF Construction Battalion
4th Air Division
22nd Port Unit /1
56th JNAF AF Unit
65th Field AA Battalion
38th Field AA Battalion
4th South Seas Det.
88th Naval Guard Unit
13th Field AF Construction Battalion
66th Field AA Battalion
109th JAAF AF Bn
4th South Seas Gsn
15th Garrison Unit
30th JAAF Base Force
62nd Field AA Battalion
89th Naval Guard Unit
23rd Field AF Construction Battalion
1st South Seas Det. /3
66th JNAF AF Unit
55th JNAF AF Unit
Southeast Area Fleet
11th RF Gun Battalion
72nd JAAF AF Bn
31st Army /1

Defending units:
77th Infantry Division
1st Marine Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
38th Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
33rd Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
2nd Marine Division
6th Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
31st Infantry Division
24th Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
17th USN Naval Construction Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
V US Amphib Force
III US Amphib Corps
1st USMC Air Wing Base Force
148th USA Base Force
B Det USN Port Svc
205th Coast AA Regiment
2nd USMC Engineer Aviation Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
A Det USN Port Svc
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
V US Amphib Corps
131st Field Artillery Battalion
Eighth US Army
276th Coastal Artillery Battalion
198th Field Artillery Battalion
USMC AirFMFPac
3rd Eng Amph Bde
1st USMC AA Battalion
I Corps Artillery
2nd USMC Air Wing Base Force
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XI Corps Artillery
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Engineer Aviation Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
C Det USN Port Svc

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 22, 44
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Invasion Support action off Guam (106,95)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

297 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Black
APA Callaway
DD Thatcher
xAK Morning Light

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

DD Black firing at 21st Division
DD Black fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards

< Message edited by leehunt27@bloomberg.net -- 6/29/2015 6:49:44 PM >

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RE: Unwanted bombardments!! - 6/29/2015 5:57:14 PM

Bullwinkle58

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I believe it's an automatic part of the code to bombard an opposed landing as long as possible. The flip side of the lander having to undergo shock attack after shock attack even once a beachhead is established.

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RE: Unwanted bombardments!! - 6/29/2015 11:20:18 PM

bigred

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quote:

ORIGINAL: leehunt27@bloomberg.net

hey there, my brave but vastly outnumbered Japanese garrison on Guam continues to bombard USMC landings in a PBEM game, May, 1944. At first it wasn't a problem
when the Allied forces were about equal to mine. Now the AV ratio is about 2100 Allied to 500 IJ, and I'm taking heavy losses though i'm doing the
bombarding. The combat report below has happened with similar results two turns in a row as the Americans land more troop reinforcements.

I have carefully set all my troops to "Defend" each turn (even though it defaults to Bombard on the landings). But even what seems to be a small
landing is causing the japanese more casualties than a deliberate attack practically! I have to reset my troops to "Defend" from "Bombard" after
each landing. Is there a way to stop this defaulting to Bombard? How can i save my guys from this automatic nightmare? Please help :) Thanks!

(And yes, virtually the entire USMC and several army divisions are on Guam. Its been a four month epic battle with lots of ships sunk around the island too).

Ground combat at Guam (106,95) (May 22nd, 1944)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24027 troops, 310 guns, 70 vehicles, Assault Value = 520

Defending force 111267 troops, 2824 guns, 2996 vehicles, Assault Value = 2202

Japanese ground losses:
574 casualties reported
Squads: 73 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 40 (25 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
54th Naval Guard Unit
36th Infantry Regiment
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
35th Ind.Mixed Brigade
5th South Seas Det.
21st Division
33rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
67th Naval Guard Unit
15th Base Force
19th Field AF Construction Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
56th Naval Guard Unit
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
65th Construction Battalion
52nd JNAF AF Unit
18th Field AF Construction Battalion
4th Air Division
22nd Port Unit /1
56th JNAF AF Unit
65th Field AA Battalion
38th Field AA Battalion
4th South Seas Det.
88th Naval Guard Unit
13th Field AF Construction Battalion
66th Field AA Battalion
109th JAAF AF Bn
4th South Seas Gsn
15th Garrison Unit
30th JAAF Base Force
62nd Field AA Battalion
89th Naval Guard Unit
23rd Field AF Construction Battalion
1st South Seas Det. /3
66th JNAF AF Unit
55th JNAF AF Unit
Southeast Area Fleet
11th RF Gun Battalion
72nd JAAF AF Bn
31st Army /1

Defending units:
77th Infantry Division
1st Marine Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
38th Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
33rd Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
2nd Marine Division
6th Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
31st Infantry Division
24th Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
17th USN Naval Construction Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
V US Amphib Force
III US Amphib Corps
1st USMC Air Wing Base Force
148th USA Base Force
B Det USN Port Svc
205th Coast AA Regiment
2nd USMC Engineer Aviation Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
A Det USN Port Svc
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
V US Amphib Corps
131st Field Artillery Battalion
Eighth US Army
276th Coastal Artillery Battalion
198th Field Artillery Battalion
USMC AirFMFPac
3rd Eng Amph Bde
1st USMC AA Battalion
I Corps Artillery
2nd USMC Air Wing Base Force
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XI Corps Artillery
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Engineer Aviation Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
C Det USN Port Svc

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 22, 44
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Invasion Support action off Guam (106,95)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

297 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Black
APA Callaway
DD Thatcher
xAK Morning Light

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

DD Black firing at 21st Division
DD Black fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards

You should be pleased the allies have taken 4 months.

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RE: Unwanted bombardments!! - 6/30/2015 5:26:32 AM

Lokasenna

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I like to call these dumbards, not bombards. It's not in your interests, but you can't stop them. You can try, by putting units in Reserve mode, but I'm not sure that works. Besides that, you're then vulnerable to the shock attack as those units you put in reserve would fight in reserve mode... nasty risk.

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RE: Unwanted bombardments!! - 6/30/2015 1:55:44 PM

leehunt27@bloomberg.net

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Dumbards! I like that :). Thanks for the responses. I was afraid this would be the answer.

And yes, I am glad its been a four month meat grinder on Guam. 7+ Allied divisions tied up there! 2-3 of them have been gutted over the campaign. Not to mention a few CVE's and transports sunk supporting the landings. I think my opponent is not looking forward to the next phase of landings, wherever they may be.

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