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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 6/30/2015 3:30:06 PM

Vici Supreme

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Hello!

I just noticed that the JMSDF's P-1 (DBID #2936) is missing its HSQ-102 MAD. It's low priority to me, I just wanted to point this out.

Cheers!

Supreme

http://www.j-hangarspace.jp/jmsdf-aircraft-profiles
http://press.anu.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ch101.pdf

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 6/30/2015 4:12:34 PM

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Thanks for posting those. The contract expires at the end of this year but the Royal Navy will likely extend it. They're also testing the SW-4 Solo helicopter to fulfil the rotary-wing unmanned aerial system (RWUAS), although there's nothing concrete to add to CMANO.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 6/30/2015 5:38:48 PM

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Hi, again I.
Is it possible to model the Defense Systems KRTZ-125 - 2 M Anti-Radiation Missile Decoy System?

***ausairpower dot net/APA-SAM-DefAids dot html***

Also to assign it to the data base of Venezuela.

***i dot imgur dot com/AK1r8e6 dot jpg***
***i dot imgur dot com/PYZA0Ko dot jpg***

Thanks!

The sensor model doesn't include ARM decoys yet, I'm very sorry for that. The feature is on our to-do list though

Ok, no problem! In the future.
Saludos!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 6/30/2015 5:40:57 PM

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Added / updated these. Whacked the SSC-6 and SA-15d. Thanks!

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Hello mates, I'm working on a few scenarios Colombia vs. Venezuela and suggest the following modifications and inclusions in the data base of these countries based on acquisitions of armaments and equipment

COLOMBIA
-It is necessary to model helicopter attack AH - 60 L "ARP�A" in its three versions. It is a version artillada of the UH - 60 L of transport, as amended by the Colombian air force Sikorsky and ELBIT System collaborative. Your current version and that the fleet is being upgraded, the ARPIA 4.
-The frigates "Padilla" class this year, have been equipped with missile SSM C-Star Korean which replaces the Exocet system. The Assembly is of four missiles per boat in two assemblies duplex.
-Also, I would be remiss by modeling the tactical submarines COSMOS SX-506, intrepid ARC S-21 and ARC Indomable S-22 employees between 1973 and 2013.
-Peer is the oceanic surveillance vessels 80-OPV "20 de Julio" class
- Citation SR506 Tracker AEW For anti-narcotics operations. Use APG-66 combat radar

VENEZUELA
-Modeling advanced training aircraft / light attack Hongdu L-15 Falcon
-Modify BD 2227 SAM SA-23. The Venezuelan system use 9M82M/SA-23A and 9M83M/SA-23B missile. Similar to BD 1860 entry
-Modify BD 2253 SAM SA-3C. The Venezuelan system use P-18 radar no P-19
-Modify BD 2230 K-8W. The Venezuelan system use PL-5E no PL-5B missile
-Alligator Landing ship Alligator-3 version; Venezuelan designation "Capana" class
-Stan Patrol-4207 Patrol craft
-Stan Patrol-5009 Patrol craft
-Stan Patrol-2606 Patrol craft
-Mohajer UAV Probably Mohajer-3 version; Venezuelan designation "Arpia"
-Modify to hypothetical the BD #2161 entry (SA-15D) and DB#2281 entry (SSC-6) these purchases have not been specified to date.

Thanks!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 6/30/2015 8:46:46 PM

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[UPDATED DB v440]

The OODA cycle for the generic CATOBAR carriers is very different from similar "real" carriers. Could it be changed to be more consistent with these? thanks

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 6/30/2015 11:34:34 PM

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Hello

I don't think that the F-35's agility rating should be downgraded based on the war-is-boring article for the following reasons.

1. Axe conveniently has an unnamed test pilot who out of nowhere defies what previous test pilots have said about the F-35 relative to the F-16 and other fighters.

From the war-is-boring article:

quote:

�The F-35 was at a distinct energy disadvantage,� the unnamed pilot wrote in a scathing five-page brief that War Is Boring has obtained.

Lt. Col Lee Kloos, a former F-16 operational tester, had the opposite to say

quote:

But compared to other aircraft, a combat-configured F-35 probably edges out other existing designs carrying a similar load-out. �When I�m downrange in Badguyland that�s the configuration I need to have confidence in maneuvering, and that�s where I think the F-35 starts to edge out an aircraft like the F-16,� Kloos says.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2012/05/eglin-f-35-initial-cadre-start/

Lockheed Martin Test Pilot Billie Flynn says its better than anything he's flown previously

quote:

"What the F-35 has is more manoeuvrability than I ever had in the CF-18 as an air show pilot," Billie Flynn told QMI Agency.

Flynn said he has flown dozens of different planes, including taking the CF-18 into combat in Kosovo and testing the Eurofighter Typhoon.

He said nothing compares to the F-35s he tests weekly in Texas.

"I'm dramatically more lethal than I ever was in those fourth-generation airplanes," Flynn said.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/07/test-pilot-raves-about-f-35

2. The article has several other factual errors that should bring the entire thing into question (seeing as this supposedly came from a test pilot who should have been 110% familiar with his aircraft and its faults well before he ever flew it against an F-16).

From the article:

quote:

...the JSF flier discovered he couldn�t even comfortably move his head inside the radar-evading jet�s cramped cockpit. That allowed the F-16 to sneak up on him.

Judging by the pictures I could quickly google, this isn't true (also, with EODAS, it makes no sense that any plane could simply sneak up on an F-35).

For comparison, an F-16 cockpit:

3. The article mentions a supposedly damning five page report which mysteriously appears nowhere in the article or on the page.

quote:

The defeated flier�s five-page report is a damning litany of aerodynamic complaints targeting the cumbersome JSF.

It seems more like David has an Axe to grind than an interest in informing the world about aerospace developments

Link to the war-is-boring article posted by Mgellis:

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/test-pilot-admits-the-f-35-can-t-dogfight-cdb9d11a875

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/1/2015 12:26:02 AM

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I agree with the above.

The war is boring post is not a credible source in my opinion without posting the actual document. Also seems that that site is hell bent on crucifying the F-35 and as such again I would take whatever it posts with a grain of salt.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/1/2015 1:25:16 AM

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It was more a question than a request--I honestly didn't know how reliable that article was but I figured I should let the developers know about it. You guys know more about these things than I do, so I trust your judgment.

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I agree with the above.

The war is boring post is not a credible source in my opinion without posting the actual document. Also seems that that site is hell bent on crucifying the F-35 and as such again I would take whatever it posts with a grain of salt.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/1/2015 2:09:55 AM

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Hello Mgellis

I only know so much too, but I have found a nice forum full of guys who pointed me in the right direction.

My recommendation is to go to the f-16.net forums. They have some very knowledgeable people over there you can
point you in the right direction and tell you about their experiences as engineers of various sorts, as pilots, and as contractors.

I would say that you should be wary of the following names:

David Axe
Winslow Wheeler
Solomon (on the SNAFU blog)
Pierre Sprey
Carlo Kopp

If you see an article by any of these guys that involves the F-35, don't bother reading any further, it's garbage.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/1/2015 3:26:15 AM

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Don't forget to add Bill Sweetman to that list. He's done some great work, but when it comes to the F-35 it's hilarious how biased he is.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/1/2015 4:47:54 AM

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Thanks guys

Have restored the F-35 defensive rating.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/1/2015 3:09:07 PM

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Here is more info on the updates to AN/SLQ-32. I hope this is enough info to add in the next DB update. Thanks for considering.

To summarize:
SLQ-32(V)1 � A simple threat warning receiver, it was capable of receiving high-band radar signals of the type commonly carried on missiles and aircraft. The (V)1 was installed on auxiliary ships and small combatants such as frigates. This variant of the system is being phased out as current ships equipped become decommissioned.
SLQ-32(V)2 � Initially the most common variant, the (V)2 added the ability to receive surveillance and targeting radars. This provided a passive targeting capability for Harpoon missile-equipped ships. The (V)2 was installed on frigates, destroyers, and 270-foot (82 m) Coast Guard Cutters.
SLQ-32(V)3 � Expanding on the (V)2�s capabilities, the (V)3 added active radar-jamming capability. The (V)3 was installed on various combatants such as cruisers, battleships, large amphibious ships and high-value replenishment vessels.
SLQ-32(V)4 � Designed for installation on aircraft carriers, the (V)4 consisted of two (V)3 systems, one for each side of the ship, tied to a common computer and display console. Additional line replaceable units and software were added to support the wide separation of the two antenna/electronics enclosures.
SLQ-32(V)5 � The (V)5 was built as a response to the Stark incident in 1987. The (V)5 incorporated a compact version of the (V)3 system intended to give active jamming capability to the Perry class FFG�s, which were too small to carry a full (V)3.

These will be replaced with Surface Electronic Warfare Improvement Program (SEWIP). May be called AN/SLQ-32(6)?
Block 2 is upgraded EW detection and has already been installed on a Burke. rate production to start in 2015.
Block 3 is upgraded electronic attack and is planned for 2017. Contract signed. Will be installed on all ships who currently have AN/SLQ-32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SLQ-32_Electronic_Warfare_Suite
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/03/navy-forges-ahead-with-new-surface-ship-electronic-warfare-sewip/http://www.janes.com/article/43892/sewip-block-2-set-for-at-sea-operational-test
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=37df948759ae52029265eb77140a3244&tab=core&_cview=1
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/budget/fy2014/dot-e/navy/2014sewip.pdf
http://news.usni.org/2015/02/12/navy-awards-sewip-block-iii-contract-northrop-grumman

Any idea on in service dates and technical specs?

Thanks!

Mike

I tried but couldn't find any helpful technical specs. Until these are found can a "tentative" database entry be created for this with similar but improved performance and late 2010 generation be created. From what I could find the service date for block 3 is to be 2017. Block 2 has already been installed on 1 Burke and production to start in 2015.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/1/2015 6:17:49 PM

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Unit request for new Chinese YJ-100 anti-ship cruise missile

-Based off the CJ-10 with an air-launched range range of 800 Km
-Guidance is INS, SATNAV. Active radar, and Terminal IR guidance
-Carrier will be the H-6
-High subsonic speed
-IOC by 2014?

Sources:
deagel / com / Anti / Ship / Missiles / YJ / 100 _ /a /0 /0 /2 /9 /3 /9 /0 /0 /1 / aspx
missilethreat / com / chinas / anti / ship / missiles / yj / 12 / yj / 100 / revealed /

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/1/2015 7:30:49 PM

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[UPDATED DB v440]

"Mk46 LWT Mod 4 [Mk60 CAPTOR]" and "Mk60 CAPTOR [Encapsulated Torpedo]" have range equal to kinematic range. Also, the "Mk60 CAPTOR Detection and Control unit (DCU)" that is listed as having a range of 0.7 nm seems to pick up subs at much greater range.

The result is that the CAPTOR fires at 4 nm and the target sub easily avoids the torpedo.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/1/2015 11:36:33 PM

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I agree with the above.

The war is boring post is not a credible source in my opinion without posting the actual document. Also seems that that site is hell bent on crucifying the F-35 and as such again I would take whatever it posts with a grain of salt.

Not taking a side, but they did just that.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/read-for-yourself-the-f-35-s-damning-dogfighting-report-719a4e66f3eb

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 1:43:28 AM

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It still doesn't explain why David Axe would not name his source. A nameless source is for the most part a useless one, especially when the motives of the writer are well known and distinctly biased against the project in question.

The unnamed pilot's statements also still stand in mysterious contrast to that of the other test pilots.

Finally, the context of the BFM wasn't fully given and ,since neither we nor Axe have this information, no relevant conclusions can be drawn.

Just my two cents.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 1:48:03 AM

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The unnamed pilot's statements also still stand in mysterious contrast to that of the other test pilots.

The pilot is unnamed because he released FOUO documentation to the public. The government takes that stuff seriously.

Edit: And I just looked at it; export controlled as well. Someone's getting a slap on the wrist for this one.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 2:26:01 AM

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Still, the official Locked Martin communicate doesn't dispute the authenticity of the report, and even recognize it. The LM communicate only say that the tested F35 didn't have/used the following elements, I'm quoting :

quote:

Aircraft AF-2 did not have the mission systems software to use the sensors that allow the F-35 to see its enemy long before it knows the F-35 is in the area. Second, AF-2 does not have the special stealth coating that operational F-35s have that make them virtually invisible to radar. And third, it is not equipped with the weapons or software that allow the F-35 pilot to turn, aim a weapon with the helmet, and fire at an enemy without having to point the airplane at its target.

All those elements have nothing to do with the ability of the aircraft to manoeuver and aren't relevant to determine it's agility.

The next quote is the recognition by LM that the F35 isn't made for dogfight :

quote:

The F-35's technology is designed to engage, shoot, and kill its enemy from long distances, not necessarily in visual "dogfighting" situations.

This, to me, is the clear demonstration that the comments of the pilot are true, the F35 can't manoeuver as well as a F16 or a F15. However, this doesn't mean it cannot win a dogfight, but it will do by other means than agility.

Furthermore, War is Boring provided the complete report, who cares of the name of the pilot, this is clearly authentical, otherwise LM would have saied otherwise. And the comments made in this report are very clear and detailed :Here

Lasty, facts are here, the F35 have a high wing loading ratio, the internal bay cause higher baseline drag, the plane itself is heavy with a thrust to weight ratio lower than many of contemporary fighters. Furthermore, the lift of the F35 is only provided by its wings, and it doesnt' have any canards or thrust vectoring to compensate its aerodynamic flaws. There is little room for a miracle.
Lastly, the pilot has a terrible rear visibility,the pictures displayed earlier proved it.
Guess why the F35 still hasn't been seen in any aerial solo display.

Ingame, because it's what interests us, it was obvious that the F35 didn't deserved the same mark as the Typhoon or the Rafale, and this report is only the clear proof of it. It's clear that it won't be as manoeuvrable as the F16 nor the F15, hence, its should definitely go down to 4 in agility, 4.5 at max.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 2:55:39 AM

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It still doesn't explain why David Axe would not name his source. A nameless source is for the most part a useless one, especially when the motives of the writer are well known and distinctly biased against the project in question.

The unnamed pilot's statements also still stand in mysterious contrast to that of the other test pilots.

Finally, the context of the BFM wasn't fully given and ,since neither we nor Axe have this information, no relevant conclusions can be drawn.

Just my two cents.

It's rare for journalists to name their sources publicly. That being said, I'm sure that anyone who wants/needs to know can figure out who the source is.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 4:19:11 AM

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Thanks guys. So what's the conclusion? 4.5 or 5.0?

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 6:09:54 AM

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Thanks guys. So what's the conclusion? 4.5 or 5.0?

I honestly don't know. Of course, an F-18 is 4.5, too, so that's not too shabby. If the F-35 is mostly meant to serve as an attack aircraft rather than an interceptor, maybe that would be the best analogue.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 9:26:10 AM

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Becomes a more interesting read now. Probably a 4.5 for now. It's clear from the article that the flight envelope is not finished yet so I wouldn't go down as far as a 4 but a 5 looks like it's a bit generous so 4.5 sounds like a nice compromise to me.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 9:51:49 AM

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5. The article itself says "Loads remained below limits and implied that there may be more maneuverability available to the airframe.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 12:50:42 PM

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Maybe 4.5 for the version with underwing stores, 5 for 'slick' internal weapons only? Can that be done?

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 1:05:31 PM

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This "may" is very uncertain.

Well, when you read the report, the only improvements they talk about is concerning the electrical flight controls of the plane, by giving a pilot a little more sensibility and authority on the plane. But those small changes won't change the mains flaws of the airframe. Keep in mind that the F16 was carrying full fuel tanks ! Those improvements may give the F35 a little more agility, but still on equal skills and loadouts, it is very unlikely that it will ever outurn an F16 or an F15
The 5 mark is completly ridiculous, it's the current mark of Typhoons and Rafale (btw both of those should be on par with the Raptor on this agility mark, since both of them killed it in mocked dogfight), even if theagility of the F35 is improved, it will never match those.

All loaded aircraft lose maneouvrability compared to clean ones, including the F35, having its bombs in the bay doesn't make their weight disapear. It only cause less drag than if those weapons were stored outside. But the bay gives also the F35 an higher weight and an higher baseline drag compared to fighter without it. Moreover, the loadout impact on aerodynamics hasn't been yet included in the game. Anyway, even an empty F35 doesn't deserve the 5 mark. Look at the report, an empty F35 was totally outmanoeuvered by a F16 with two full fuel tanks !! When you read the report, it's blatent how the F35 cannot compete.

I think it should go down to 4, which is on par with the F15A and the Mirage F1 and the Tomcat and above the great majority of planes. Maximum 4.5 for its latest version, because it may be improved one day.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 4:05:11 PM

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Okay 4.5 for now then, until more info becomes available

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 5:50:52 PM

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This article also address the F-35 vs. F-16 issue...

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-the-f-35-was-not-beaten-by-an-f-16/?utm_source=TW

Based on this, I might suggest keeping the agility of the F-35 at 4.5. The point is that the F-35 will (in theory) rarely get into a dogfight--it is going to spot its foe first, because it is stealthy and has better sensors, and then fire long before the other plane has a chance to attack. And one assumes that once it is out of missiles it will do its best Monty Python impression and "Run away! Run away!" :) If it actually gets into a dogfight, however, it could be in trouble.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 6:07:51 PM

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Hi Mark,

Any chance you could fill in some in-service dates etc here? And also exactly which units you need?

That'd be fantastic as it would save us a ton of work

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Okay, I know the wish list is already pretty huge, but I just noticed something...

Kenya does not seem to be in the database. After trying to track down information for Kenya, I can see why...at least in terms of web searches, it's easier to get information on ships from freakin' North Korea! :)

At the very least, I hope the following will be considered...

Northrop F-5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=159
http://www.worldwide-military.com/Military%20Aircraft/US%20Fighters/F-5_Tiger_EN.htm
http://nairobichronicle.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/kenya-airforce-buys-junk-fighter-jets/http://nairobichronicle.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/kenya-airforce-buys-junk-fighter-jets/

Most of the other aircraft are already in the database, so they might just need to be copied, but I am not sure if there are any important variations for the specific models of Mi-17s, Pumas, etc. that are used.

Kenya has some missile boats, but aside from what was available at Hazegray and here (for the Province class)...

http://www.worldwarships.com/search?keys=&class=All&country=132&type=All
http://www.worldwarships.com/class/province

...it was very hard to find any information.

P3134 KNS Harambee II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P400-class_patrol_vessel <-- already in database, I think; I don't know if the Kenyans made any changes after the French gave her to them

Shupavu Patrol Boat
http://www.worldwarships.com/class/shupavu <-- not much information here but it was the best I could find

Nora B-52 (SP Howitzer) <-- made and used by Serbia, too, and used by Bangladesh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_B-52
http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=701
http://www.armyrecognition.com/serbia_serbian_army_artillery_vehicles_systems_uk/nora_b-52_155mm_wheeled_self-propelled_howitzer_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures.html
http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/nora-b-52k1-155mm52cal-self-propelled-gun-howitzer

Panhard AML
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhard_AML
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product937.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/aml.htm
http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsystem/CC01%20-%20AML.html

MD Helicopters MD 500M/500MD/500MD Tow Utility/attack helicopter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD_500_Defender <-- various versions in the database, but I'm not sure if they're the same as the Kenyan ones

General information...

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldpowers/wiki/kenya <-- looks like a lot of very useful basic information about vehicles, ship stats, etc. (not sure all of it is reliable, though)
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/africa/africa.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Defence_Forces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Air_Force
http://www.mccrow.org.uk/EastAfrica/EAWarships/RNEastAf.htm <-- lots of images; I don't know if they can be used in the database or not

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/2/2015 10:45:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Hi Mark,

Any chance you could fill in some in-service dates etc here? And also exactly which units you need?

That'd be fantastic as it would save us a ton of work

This is what I could find out about the aircraft...I'll post what I can find about the navy shortly. (These are all for Kenya.)

I hope all this helps.

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BAC 167 Strikemaster fighters (Mk 87)

Operational: 1971-1993

I am not sure how (if at all) the Mk 87 differed from other export versions of the Strikemaster

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BAE Systems Hawk (Mk 52)

�The Hawk 50 was the original export trainer version, and offered a limited attack capability. Finland, Indonesia and Kenya ordered 90 of this variant�.Hawk 52 � Export version for the Kenyan Air Force. Fitted with braking parachute. Twelve ordered 9 February 1978, with deliveries from 1980 to 1981.� --Wikipedia

Operational: 1981-2012

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Mil Mi-17 (Mi-171E, �Mi-171 equipped with VK-2500-03 engines to operate in extreme temperature limits, from -58 to 50 Celsius��the Mi-171 is the same as the Mi-8AMT, a �slightly modified version of Kazan's Mi-8MTV, built in Ulan-Ude from 1991 and still powered by TV3-117VM engines although nowadays VK-2500 engines are optional. Also known as Mi-171.��Wikipedia

Operational: 1999-present (not sure about dates, but Kenya�s police force apparently got a couple of these in 1999; police helicopters all grounded as of 2014, it seems, according to http://helihub.com/2014/02/18/kenya-police-no-airworthy-helicopters-out-of-fleet-of-eight/)

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A�rospatiale SA 330 Puma
4 x SA 330G (�Upgraded civilian version with 1175 kW (1,575 hp) Turbomeca Turmo IVC engines��Wikipedia)

Some sources list 3 x SA 330G and 9 x IAR 330

Operational: not sure of dates, but http://www.airvectors.net/avpuma.html says the 330G was available after 1974; I do have one reference work that lists them operational as of 1991-1992, so definitely at least 1992-present

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Harbin Z-9

Looks like they got 4 x Z-9 (utility version) and 4 x armed Z-9WA version

Operational: 2010-present

https://beegeagle.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/kenya-air-force-harbin-z-9wa-armed-helicopters/

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McDonnell Douglas MD 500 Defender

15 x Hughes 500MD Defender with TOW
8 x Hughes 500ME Defender
15 x Hughes 500M Defender

Not sure of the dates, but I do have one reference work that lists them operational as of 1991-1992, so definitely at least 1992-present

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F-5E

Operational: 1978-present

�The air force re-equipment program began in 1976, when it was announced that the United States would sell Kenya a squadron of F-5E/F Tiger II supersonic fighter-bombers. Soviet arms transfers to Ethiopia lead Kenya to regard American arms and support as a necessary counterweight. Beginning with the delivery of F-5 Freedom Fighter aircraft to the Kenyan Air Force, the United States assumed a major role as a military supplier to Kenya.
The F-5s, which were equipped with Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, were delivered in 1978, replacing the Hunters and improving the KAF's combat potential. Two F-5Es were lost in operational accidents by 1983, but two more F-5Fs were delivered in 1982, which allowed the force to pursue a more efficient training program for F-5 pilots. The KAF also took delivery of 12 BAC Hawk T-52s in 1980-81 to supplement and eventually replace the Strikemasters in the light strike and training roles.�

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/air-force-modernization.htm

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DHC-5D Buffalo: 1977-present

Dash-8: 1990-present

Y-12, operational: 1997-present

"Among the modernization programs carried out include the acquisition of De Havilland Caribou, the medium lift DHC-5D Buffalo twin-engine transport aircraft in 1977 to augment the DHC-4A Caribou transport aircraft; the acquisition of the Dash-8-100 (DHC-8) and the Tucano in 1990; the Fokker 70ER in 1995, the Domier Do 28D Skyservants and the Y-12 in 1997."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/air-force-modernization.htm

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Sources

http://johnkaranja.com/2008/12/22/kenyas-armed-forces-pictures-and-facts/

http://www.airforceworld.com/attacker/eng/h6-helicopter-mh6-oh6-usaf-us-army.htm

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23341:kenya-to-receive-long-delayed-offshore-patrol-vessel-kns-jasiri&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/air-force-equipment.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/air-force-history.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/air-force-modernization.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/air-force-modernization.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/navy.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/navy-equipment.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/navy-history.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/kenya/navy-modernization.htm

http://www.helis.com/database/modelorg/1433/

http://www.meretmarine.com/fr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Air_Force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Navy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDBB27PmZ8Y <-- short history of Kenyan navy

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[ADDED DB v440]

Unit Request for the JH-7B for China

From deagel/com/Long-Range-Attack-Aircraft/JH-7B _a/0/0/1/8/2/4/0/0/2/aspx

-Introduced in 2015
-Can carry the YJ-12 ASM
-Better engine with the WS-9A

"The JH-7B is an improved variant introduced in 2015 with better avionics, more powerful WS-9A engines delivering up to 15 percent of extra power, more composite materials and improved hardware to carry the YJ-12 supersonic anti-ship missile."

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