Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: operating

I get a kick out of Sweden!!! Sweden "does get a RR point" to start with, but there are no railroads in Sweden, however Sweden does have a port, but "no transport points" to start with, seems kind of strange...

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ORIGINAL: TripleCP

Yeah, multiplayer offers an altogether different experience, but I don't accept the implicit argument many game makers seem to be making these days that SP is just for learning the ropes before moving on to the "real game" by playing MP. I think it was EA that did a survey a few years ago that found around 85% of their customers never even play MP. Based on some of the AARs, as the game stands now I'd need to agree to some house rules to really enjoy it (such as no disbanding of Small Garrisons).

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ORIGINAL: TripleCP

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ORIGINAL: operating

I get a kick out of Sweden!!! Sweden "does get a RR point" to start with, but there are no railroads in Sweden, however Sweden does have a port, but "no transport points" to start with, seems kind of strange...

Maybe I'll declare war on them, too. I wonder how long it'll take them to get to Belgrade?

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ORIGINAL: AdmiralSarek

To solve the Turkey problem, can sea hexes be modified to be territorial waters, you need to declare war to move in to them, just like land hexes.

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German Submarines

Two important developments during the latter half of 1915 had a significant impact on Turkish naval efforts in the Black Sea. First, German submarines arrived in Turkey. A total of 13 German submarines have been active in Turkish waters during the war and some of them have undertaken successful operations against the Russians in the Black Sea. The first sortie by a German submarine into the Black Sea was made by UB-7 on July 5, and this marked the beginning of a new phase of the war in the Black Sea. Second, on October 6, 1915, Bulgaria joined the Central Powers, the Bulgarian Navy was given under the command of Admiral Souchon as Varna became a base for Central Powers’ naval efforts in the Black Sea.

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Submarine fleet for Turkey 1915 I can do that for you Rob!!

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Submarine fleet for Turkey 1915 I can do that for you Rob!!

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Further attempts[edit]

Keyes remained a firm supporter of naval action, and on 23 September submitted a further proposal to pass through the Dardanelles to de Robeck. De Robeck disliked the plan, but nonetheless passed it to the Admiralty. Risk to ships had increased since March, due to the presence of German submarines in the Mediterranean and the Sea of Marmara, where the British ships would be inviting targets if the plan succeeded. On the other hand, minesweeping was now better equipped and some of the ships had nets or mine bumpers which it was hoped would improve their chances against mines. The Ottoman Empire now had better supply routes from Germany whereas demands on the navy for more ships to support the attempt had to be added to continuing commitments of ships for the land action, and the ongoing campaign at Salonica attempting to support Serbia

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The first French submarine to enter the Sea of Marmara was Turquoise. However, it was forced to turn back and, on 30 October, when attempting to pass back through the straits, ran aground beneath a fort and was captured intact. The crew of twenty-five were taken prisoner and documents detailing planned Allied operations were discovered. This included a scheduled rendezvous with HMS E20 on 6 November. The rendezvous was kept by the German U-boat U-14 which torpedoed and sank E20 killing all but nine of the crew. Turquoise was salvaged and incorporated (but not commissioned) into the Ottoman Navy as the Onbasi Müstecip, named after the gunner who had forced the French commander to surrender.

The Allied submarine campaign in the Sea of Marmara was the one significant success of the Gallipoli Campaign, forcing the Ottomans to abandon it as a transport route. Between April and December 1915, a total of nine British and four French submarines sank one battleship, one destroyer, five gunboats, eleven troop transports, forty-four supply ships, and 148 sailing vessels at a cost of eight Allied submarines which were sunk in the strait or in the Sea of Marmara.[28]

In 1993, a coal mining operation revealed the wreck of the German submarine UB-46 near the Kemerburgaz coast. After carrying out missions in Black Sea, on its way back, UB-46 hit a mine near Karaburun and sank with all hands. It is now on display at Besiktas Naval Museum in Istanbul.[29]

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Also on 27 April, a kite-balloon ship had spotted an Ottoman transport ship moving near the Narrows. Queen Elizabeth, stationed off Gaba Tepe, had fired across the peninsula, at a range of over ten mi (8.7 nmi; 16 km), and sank the transport with her third shot. For much of the campaign, the Ottomans transported troops via rail, though other supplies continued to be transported by ship on the Sea of Marmara and Dardanelles.

It quickly became evident that the battle for Gallipoli would not be a swift or easy operation. At Helles, which was initially the main battlefield, a series of costly battles only managed to edge the front line closer to Krithia. Through the early battles, the Royal Navy continued to provide support via bombardments. However, in May three battleships were torpedoed: Goliath in Morto Bay on 12 May; Triumph off Anzac on 25 May; and Majestic off W Beach on 27 May. Goliath was sunk by the Ottoman torpedo boat Muâvenet-i Millîye while the other two were sunk by U-21.

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An other important aspect of the allied naval operations was transporting safely the many thousands of soldiers to and from the Dardanelles over the Mediterranean Sea. The major threats were attacks by German and Austrian-Hungarian submarines and mines. The only major loss during the Dardanelles Campaign was the sinking of the HMT Royal Edward on 13 August 1915. The ship sailed from Alexandria, Egypt to Gallipoli with 1,367 officers and men onboard and was torpedoed by SM UB-14 near the Dodecanese. 935 lives were lost.

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SM UB-45 was a Type UB II submarine or U-boat built for and operated by the German Imperial Navy (German: Kaiserliche Marine) during World War I. UB-45 operated in the Mediterranean and the Black Seas, and was sunk by a mine in November 1916.

UB-45 was ordered in July 1915 and was laid down at the AG Weser shipyard in Bremen in September. UB-45 was about 37 metres (121 ft 5 in) in length and displaced between 270 and 305 metric tons (266 and 300 long tons), depending on whether surfaced or submerged. She was equipped to carry a complement of four torpedoes for her two bow torpedo tubes and had an 5-centimeter (2.0 in) deck gun. As part of a group of six submarines selected for Mediterranean service, UB-45 was broken into railcar-sized components and shipped to Pola where she was assembled and then launched and commissioned in May 1916.

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Campaigns[edit]

See also: Adriatic Campaign of World War I, Mediterranean U-boat Campaign (World War I) and Naval operations in the Dardanelles Campaign

In the Mediterranean Sea, the war began with most of the large, but elderly French fleet deployed on escort duty to protect convoys across the Mediterranean from the smaller, but newer Austrian fleet and cover against possible Italian entry into the war on Austria's side. Several British ships were also sent to Malta to reinforce the British Mediterranean Fleet. Germany also had a small presence in the Mediterranean with a few ships based at the Austrian naval base of Pola (in current day Croatia) and at the commencement of hostilities,

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ORIGINAL: operating

Often have read how German subs were shipped by rail to the Adriatic for deployment. What I question (and will research): Were all English subs built in England then sent to the Med. for deployment? If so, The Germans should be able to do the same thing... (from the production queue)

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SM UB-45 was a Type UB II submarine or U-boat built for and operated by the German Imperial Navy (German: Kaiserliche Marine) during World War I. UB-45 operated in the Mediterranean and the Black Seas, and was sunk by a mine in November 1916.

UB-45 was ordered in July 1915 and was laid down at the AG Weser shipyard in Bremen in September. UB-45 was about 37 metres (121 ft 5 in) in length and displaced between 270 and 305 metric tons (266 and 300 long tons), depending on whether surfaced or submerged. She was equipped to carry a complement of four torpedoes for her two bow torpedo tubes and had an 5-centimeter (2.0 in) deck gun. As part of a group of six submarines selected for Mediterranean service, UB-45 was broken into railcar-sized components and shipped to Pola where she was assembled and then launched and commissioned in May 1916.

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ORIGINAL: operating

Kirk.

Admiral Serak, myself and a few other MP players have been talking amongst ourselves about the air game and how it seems unbalanced. The Admiral and I have been discussing "House Rules" concerning strategic air campaigns (we have not finished with the subject).

One of my concerns is: Balloons can travel the same distance and strike as airships, somehow that does not seem right?

Another is the use of balloons and airships in field attacks against ground units, there does not seem to be much history to that application, and more than anything: The frequency of these attacks in this game!

The Admiral has asked me: "What do I think about limiting strategic attacks to "1" per turn?" I am contemplating the idea, thus have not answered him about the proposal (of course I have been drugged using these attacks, it's hard to kick an addiction).

If you get the time; check out my latest posts in the Admiral Serak vs Operating AAR concerning kills/casualties, pay attention to the ratio of troop losses to air losses.

I'm struggling to think of a compromise that may be a solution about air power. (1) Should bomb loads cost more ammo (will reduce frequency of bombing runs). (2) Should air units cost more PP to produce? (thus a valued asset not to be flagrantly exposed). (3) Should an air unit "killed/casualty" count more towards MP, than ground units? (as it is now, there is hardly any consequences to a side's MP (or NM) for frequent use of air power losses).

More to come, Thanks, Bob

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ORIGINAL: AdmiralSarek

I think airships should cost 50 to produce, the same as bombers, not the current 30.
That would solve a lot of problems.

Also when one of your fighters gets attacked on the ground, and the unit is exhausted, another neighboring fighter should be used to intercept the attack ie a CAP. In the current situation you just pick on the weak enemy fighter with a bunch of zepplins from 1/2 a continent away and destroy it, much to easy.

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ORIGINAL: Kettengeist

The more I read, the more I get the feeling that playing this game is wasting time. (Just a feeling.)

Even in version 1.64 seems to be many things that negatively affect on the gameplay . To be honest, most of them I haven't noticed or realized yet. (One reason might be my lack of experience with this game.)

The last weeks I've read a lot here and at slitherine forum. And I sadly must say that I think this game has been abandoned by its creators. Are these forums not the way to stay in contact with the gamers? I'm wondering, because I thought this is the place for constructive interchange. But response from the devs is very rare.

Just my 2 cents.

But now back to topic.

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ORIGINAL: lparkh

I believe more active forum maybe at Slitherine.

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ORIGINAL: Meteor2

Is there any possiblity to do something with the "strategic-AI" ?
As central powers, I have noticed several times, that the Entente-AI is focussing on defending Serbia with french, and britisch troops or north-east Italy with french, british and portugese troops, even if the home countries are are in absolute danger of being overrun.
The same is true for the turkish-russian border, where russian troops are deployed, even if Moskau or Petrograd is threatened.

Can something be done here?

Otherwise, a very entertaining game.