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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/13/2015 7:03:48 PM   
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There is a really good blues bar here (well, it's also the dive-iest dive) that has half off Rolling Rock all day every day for natural redheads.


I'm not sure, were I a natural redhead, that the "verification" would be worth the free beer.


Get your mind out of...low places! All you have to do is look at the roots. Or presumably, your driver's license photo.


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There is a really good blues bar here (well, it's also the dive-iest dive) that has half off Rolling Rock all day every day for natural redheads.


Madam's Organ?


That's the place. Haven't been in a long while, but will probably go soon as I have a gift card for the nice whiskey/BBQ place a few doors up the street. I try to figure out what the weird animal heads are when I go. There's some kind of African animal that's related to an antelope or goat or something that we can't figure out. It has weird horns.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/13/2015 9:09:46 PM   
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There is a really good blues bar here (well, it's also the dive-iest dive) that has half off Rolling Rock all day every day for natural redheads.


I'm not sure, were I a natural redhead, that the "verification" would be worth the free beer.


Get your mind out of...low places! All you have to do is look at the roots. Or presumably, your driver's license photo.


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There is a really good blues bar here (well, it's also the dive-iest dive) that has half off Rolling Rock all day every day for natural redheads.


Madam's Organ?


That's the place. Haven't been in a long while, but will probably go soon as I have a gift card for the nice whiskey/BBQ place a few doors up the street. I try to figure out what the weird animal heads are when I go. There's some kind of African animal that's related to an antelope or goat or something that we can't figure out. It has weird horns.


Roots you say? Not much experience with hair dye it seems. I've got a lot.

You can go with eyebrows, but a real determined drunk will dye those too. No, there's really only one true test. Anybody risking peroxide there deserves the beer I say.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/14/2015 6:13:39 PM   
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Still no turn from Nick. Been 5 days now...withdrawal symptoms have begun. Twitching, yelling random obscenities, confusion and a lot of crying!

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/14/2015 6:15:10 PM   
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At least you don't have the rare side affects yet. I'll note yours for WebMD.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/14/2015 11:14:11 PM   
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My recommendation is to ask Cap Mandrake to prescribe something to treat your symptoms. Even if it is only his wicked sense of humor and lousy patois.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/14/2015 11:53:37 PM   
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Still no turn from Nick. Been 5 days now...withdrawal symptoms have begun. Twitching, yelling random obscenities, confusion and a lot of crying!


Is Internet service same as before in Greece? I really don't know what's happening on the ground there from US news. Not the details.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/15/2015 12:52:01 AM   
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It must be hell there right now. Limit on access to money, safety deposit boxes being rifled, total uncertainty.

Somehow I think playing a game falls to the very bottom of the daily list of things to be accomplished.

Still, how he could leave right now! The suspense!

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 5:58:20 AM   
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February 13th-14th 1942
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Got a turn from Nick yesterday and one today. Not much to report but...

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Pacific
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...Pearl Harbor surrenders to the Japanese onslaught!

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Ground combat at Pearl Harbor (180,107)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 75717 troops, 681 guns, 485 vehicles, Assault Value = 2231

Defending force 51805 troops, 772 guns, 520 vehicles, Assault Value = 445

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 3526

Allied adjusted defense: 695

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Pearl Harbor !!!

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Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1221 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 102 disabled
Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 18 (9 destroyed, 9 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
29459 casualties reported
Squads: 518 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2356 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 292 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1049 (1049 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 530 (530 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 25


Not all is doom though. VP losses are lighter then expected (1600) and I got to buy out all the troops (including the 25th ID + 2 RGTs) dirt cheap. I could buy back everything except the 11th Naval District for under 50 PPs total. Will be quite some time before I can fill out the Infantry though. I will need around 650 Squads to fill them out and with a replacement rate of only 60/month it will probably be 14-18 months before I can fill everything out and have them ready for action (if there is no other major losses).

I´ll probably split the ID and let it fill out 1/3rd at a time.

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China
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I think Nick may be redeploying. I got troops moving out from the Ichang area and the entire Japanese air force have turned their attention to Luzon. I´ll try to spread out a bit but it slow going in the woods. I have decent roadblocks set up though so hopefully I can stall him enough when his next push shows itself that I can shift into position.

Nick expands the airfield at Ningsia (in the North just East of Lanchow). Its a dot base in the middle of nowhere and Nick has been flying in supply using Topsy transports. He lost quite a lot of them in the process though (64 lost to OPS). Not sure he will ever be able to draw enough supply to mount an real offensive here.

Chinese bombers try to suppress the Airfield. But they are too few.

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Here is a depressing screen! Keep in mind though that only the LCU and ship losses from PH are permanent.





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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 11:08:10 AM   
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OK, its 272 Rifle Squads for division and 91 for each Rgt or about 450 squads. The USA Rifle Squads go from 60 to 80 per month in 7/42 when the '42 version comes out. So my math seems to be different than yours. For me, I'll do the two Rgt first and wait until 7/42 squads before I start with the division rebuild.

Its near the end of April for me and believe it or not, even at 1200 per month for "Support" squads and I'm still not building up a surplus yet.

I bought back all but the big 14th Naval District HQ (300PP) and Pacific Ocean HQ (90PP). They will come later in 42 or early 43.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 11:44:48 AM   
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OK, its 272 Rifle Squads for division and 91 for each Rgt or about 450 squads. The USA Rifle Squads go from 60 to 80 per month in 7/42 when the '42 version comes out. So my math seems to be different than yours. For me, I'll do the two Rgt first and wait until 7/42 squads before I start with the division rebuild.

Its near the end of April for me and believe it or not, even at 1200 per month for "Support" squads and I'm still not building up a surplus yet.

I bought back all but the big 14th Naval District HQ (300PP) and Pacific Ocean HQ (90PP). They will come later in 42 or early 43.


Nah, I actually have the 298th(?) RGT rebuilding at SF that started just 2 turns ago so that is roughly 550 squads and rounded up that IS 600!

(Yes my math was a tad off! )


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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 11:48:24 AM   
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Where are you getting the 550 number from?? I'm talking just the number of infantry.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 11:52:36 AM   
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Where are you getting the 550 number from?? I'm talking just the number of infantry.


273 (ID) + 3x91 (3 RGTs) = 546

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 12:03:37 PM   
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OK, you had said it was the division plus two rgt. So you got the rgt that starts in San Fran to Pearl before it was lost? That is where the other 100 comes from.

So it will take about 5 months to rebuild a division now and 4 months after 7/42. Not 14 to 18 months (must be that Scandinavian math).

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 12:49:33 PM   
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OK, you had said it was the division plus two rgt. So you got the rgt that starts in San Fran to Pearl before it was lost? That is where the other 100 comes from.

So it will take about 5 months to rebuild a division now and 4 months after 7/42. Not 14 to 18 months (must be that Scandinavian math).


Doh, I didn´t know about the increase in squads...

(and my math was a wee bit off )


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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 1:03:13 PM   
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Both of us will have two full divisions (24 & 25) come 1/43 that cost very little in PP. Meanwhile, John & Nick will have to leave troops behind in Hawaii for garrison duty to counter a potential invasion that may never come. Thank you MichaelM for the beta patch fix many, many months ago that allows players to buy out and rebuild destroyed troops.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 1:06:46 PM   
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Both of us will have two full divisions (24 & 25) come 1/43 that cost very little in PP. Meanwhile, John & Nick will have to leave troops behind in Hawaii for garrison duty to counter a potential invasion that may never come. Thank you MichaelM for the beta patch fix many, many months ago that allows players to buy out and rebuild destroyed troops.


Indeed!

Have to be really careful to not lose another US ID though...that would wreck the pools...

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 3:51:23 PM   
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Both of us will have two full divisions (24 & 25) come 1/43 that cost very little in PP. Meanwhile, John & Nick will have to leave troops behind in Hawaii for garrison duty to counter a potential invasion that may never come. Thank you MichaelM for the beta patch fix many, many months ago that allows players to buy out and rebuild destroyed troops.


Indeed!

Have to be really careful to not lose another US ID though...that would wreck the pools...


Just another reason to use the Marines.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/16/2015 4:40:15 PM   
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Both of us will have two full divisions (24 & 25) come 1/43 that cost very little in PP. Meanwhile, John & Nick will have to leave troops behind in Hawaii for garrison duty to counter a potential invasion that may never come. Thank you MichaelM for the beta patch fix many, many months ago that allows players to buy out and rebuild destroyed troops.


Indeed!

Have to be really careful to not lose another US ID though...that would wreck the pools...


Just another reason to use the Marines.


Indeed on that too. When you need something done send in the Marines. Especially true in 43 and later when US IDs simply lack staying power against dug in enemies.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 4:10:00 AM   
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February 15th 1942
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Not much happening.

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Pacific
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The subs surrounding PH retire to various new locations. I´ll keep a decent fleet of subs based on the WC. They will act as early warning and operate around PH.

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China
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I need to try and find out where Nick is shifting for his next thrust.

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Burma
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The Imperial Guards show up at Lashio. I have the weak Chinese 6th Corps (80 something AV) and the BFF BDE. Apparently this was enough to make Nick pause as 3 more units are approaching. Lashio will fall in the first attack. Next roadblock is Paoshan. 580 AV behind level 2 forts will require a big commitment. Another 370 AV is 2 weeks out.

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Java
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Batavia falls.

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Ground combat at Batavia (49,98)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 49016 troops, 487 guns, 272 vehicles, Assault Value = 1411

Defending force 20965 troops, 181 guns, 74 vehicles, Assault Value = 315

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 1038

Allied adjusted defense: 341

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Batavia !!!

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Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1120 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 48 disabled


Allied ground losses:
21148 casualties reported
Squads: 212 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 850 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 50 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 197 (197 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 103 (103 destroyed, 0 disabled)


This frees up the 5th and 18th ID for him to use elsewhere.








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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 4:46:45 AM   
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Japanese Intentions
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Japanese Forces
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PH - 6 IDs (4th, 16th, 21st, 33rd, 48th, + 3 Tank RGTs)
Java 2 IDs (5th, 38th)
Burma 1 ID (IGD)
Mindanao 1 ID (19th)

Only about 45 days left of invasion bonus. The question is where the freed up troops will go. The PH troops + the Java troops are now free for operations. That is 8 full IDs and roughly 3600 AV in total (). While this sounds like a lot Nick has some work to do "back home".

-Northern OZ
-SOPAC
-Luzon
-Reinforce Burma

Unless I missed an ID he currently have only 1 ID + Tank RGT in Burma which is dangerously weak. This he will probably strengthen up with at least another ID here.

PH and surrounding islands need some kind of garrison. So does the Gilberts.

Luzon is turning into a real fortress. Almost 3000 AV here now. All recovered, prepping and digging in. His bombers keeps fort building suppressed but lack of AA means I burn almost no supply. He will have to deal with this eventually as I have both naval search over the SCS + a very good sub base in the middle of the Japanese SLOC.

He also have Darwin + SOPAC left to deal with. I also have at least 1 unit prepping for Perth.

So lots of loose ends still to tie up....

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 11:51:16 AM   
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as I have both naval search over the SCS + a very good sub base in the middle of the Japanese SLOC.



Can you spot any convoys heading back to Hong Kong/Honshu?

Would it be possible to sneak a pair of destroyers back in to Luzon somehow?

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 12:26:26 PM   
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Have you put any effort into resupplying Luzon?

The lack of high Nav High Aggrssion sub commanders early leads me to put all with crappy commanders on transport duty.

If you prioritize the good commanders into the low cargo capacity subs you can concentrate the crappy commanders in the high cargo capacity subs, add the Argonaut, Nautilus and Narwal and set up a pretty decent sized transport TF capable of delivering 500-1000 supply per mission.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 2:50:10 PM   
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Can you spot any convoys heading back to Hong Kong/Honshu?

Would it be possible to sneak a pair of destroyers back in to Luzon somehow?


More or less.

Having some troubles with maintaining the CATs though as Nick is hitting AFs all over Luzon. I´m dangerously low on CATs since the PH strikes early on. I have to rail them around like a maniac which of course hinder search.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 2:52:48 PM   
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Have you put any effort into resupplying Luzon?

The lack of high Nav High Aggrssion sub commanders early leads me to put all with crappy commanders on transport duty.

If you prioritize the good commanders into the low cargo capacity subs you can concentrate the crappy commanders in the high cargo capacity subs, add the Argonaut, Nautilus and Narwal and set up a pretty decent sized transport TF capable of delivering 500-1000 supply per mission.


Pretty ashamed to admit it..but no.

I´ll follow your advice though! Should have been doing that from day 1.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 3:06:50 PM   
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Scenario 1 has PH garrison at 356 for Japan. DBB might be different, but stock is directional. Essentially a division.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 3:14:03 PM   
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Have you put any effort into resupplying Luzon?

The lack of high Nav High Aggrssion sub commanders early leads me to put all with crappy commanders on transport duty.

If you prioritize the good commanders into the low cargo capacity subs you can concentrate the crappy commanders in the high cargo capacity subs, add the Argonaut, Nautilus and Narwal and set up a pretty decent sized transport TF capable of delivering 500-1000 supply per mission.


Pretty ashamed to admit it..but no.

I´ll follow your advice though! Should have been doing that from day 1.


Hans' advice is sound - IMO it's by far and away the best use of all those Yankee subs with dodgy torpedoes. They can deliver 36 or 48t each (and later 60 for Gatos and over 100 for the Argonaut, Nautilus and Narwal conversions). Quantities delivered per month depend upon the distance to the supply source, but early in the game I pull all the extra supplies from Cayagan and the small Philippine islands dotted around, then places like Tarakan/Balikpapan, Makassar etc then from northern/Eastern Oz. In an earlier game, by Mid April I was delivering around 2000t each drop around 3 drops/2 months. Went a long way to extending the PI resistance.


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Scenario 1 has PH garrison at 356 for Japan. DBB might be different, but stock is directional. Essentially a division.


Are you sure about that? Checked both DBB and Stock and they both show 80? Unless I misunderstand how to read it? I hope you are right though for 80...that is pretty pathetic for garrison Hawaii....

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Have you put any effort into resupplying Luzon?

The lack of high Nav High Aggrssion sub commanders early leads me to put all with crappy commanders on transport duty.

If you prioritize the good commanders into the low cargo capacity subs you can concentrate the crappy commanders in the high cargo capacity subs, add the Argonaut, Nautilus and Narwal and set up a pretty decent sized transport TF capable of delivering 500-1000 supply per mission.


Pretty ashamed to admit it..but no.

I´ll follow your advice though! Should have been doing that from day 1.


Hans' advice is sound - IMO it's by far and away the best use of all those Yankee subs with dodgy torpedoes. They can deliver 36 or 48t each (and later 60 for Gatos and over 100 for the Argonaut, Nautilus and Narwal conversions). Quantities delivered per month depend upon the distance to the supply source, but early in the game I pull all the extra supplies from Cayagan and the small Philippine islands dotted around, then places like Tarakan/Balikpapan, Makassar etc then from northern/Eastern Oz. In an earlier game, by Mid April I was delivering around 2000t each drop around 3 drops/2 months. Went a long way to extending the PI resistance.



Yeah, as I said I should have done that from day 1. Thought never crossed my mind...kind of kicking myself right now.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 4:25:40 PM   
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It's still early yet for Burma. I didn't even start on Burma until February in my game. There's nothing you can do to stop him, so why rush?

I know gospel is to wait to capture Luzon until later, but he has to start sometime... he should probably start soon.

With Batavia down, I would look out near Diego Garcia or Perth/SW Aus.

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RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) - 7/17/2015 4:37:06 PM   
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It's still early yet for Burma. I didn't even start on Burma until February in my game. There's nothing you can do to stop him, so why rush?

I know gospel is to wait to capture Luzon until later, but he has to start sometime... he should probably start soon.

With Batavia down, I would look out near Diego Garcia or Perth/SW Aus.


Well, with only 1 ID in Burma I would worry if I was playing the Japanese. You could potentially face the 3 best allied divisions + a lot of Indian BDEs even this early?

EDIT: Agree on Diego and Perth. I think he will come for Perth, Darwin and SOPAC.

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