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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/15/2015 3:46:44 AM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/15/2015 4:22:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Trying to figure out what to reinforce here. Shikoku? Yes... Kanoya? Yes...I can send the 3rd Tank Division there and more there. Japanese Islands, if I can get more there I will.

I always guess wrong where he is going...and move troops to the wrong bases.

My guess, is he might be aiming for the Japanese Islands....The American subs are crawling all over the place there.


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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/15/2015 6:06:18 PM   
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Trying to figure out what to reinforce here. Shikoku? Yes... Kanoya? Yes...I can send the 3rd Tank Division there and more there. Japanese Islands, if I can get more there I will.

I always guess wrong where he is going...and move troops to the wrong bases.

My guess, is he might be aiming for the Japanese Islands....The American subs are crawling all over the place there.




Shikoku doesn't get him anything he doesn't already have, so there's no reason for you to defend it IMO.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/16/2015 3:05:40 AM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/16/2015 3:13:22 AM   
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Well, Shikoku has a direct land bridge to Honshu which he currently lacks.


Ah, I see it now. Takamatsu goes across, does it? For some reason I thought it was completely separate. I know there's no rail line...

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/16/2015 3:13:52 AM   
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Well, Shikoku has a direct land bridge to Honshu which he currently lacks.

I think it is a road bridge which may mean a shock attack to cross. Still, all three bases on Shikoku have some industry and resources that are badly needed by Japan. I doubt the Allies will try landing at Nagoya or other large cities, but Shimizu, Chiba and Utsonomiya should have good garrisons.

Personally, if I were invading I would look at Sendai as a decent size base, not too close to anything that might have a lot of troops.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/16/2015 4:54:30 PM   
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The big four are well protected: Chiba, Ustonomiya, Sendai and Iwaki. So I doubt he goes there. I am thinking Shikoku or Japanese Islands, with a slim chance of Kanoya.


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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/17/2015 1:46:27 PM   
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Allies lose 34 planes to 9 Japanese...b29 mine Osaka, while other beasties bomb the airfield there.

I mistakenly try to evict the 2 armored units that made Singers yesterday, unfortunately they are reinforced by a full division. Japanese attacks go first,before the Allied shock attack. Another Allied Division will cross tomorrow most likely.

Whither the invasion fleet south of Honshu?...Deathstar is missing. Invasion fleet sinks an already damaged Iboat.

Detection levels spike at Kanoya and Oita. Usually in the past this has been deception.

A good day for Allied subs, as my attention to ASW flights falls short. An AK sunk and a tanker too.






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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/17/2015 11:13:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once again, I will be staging big air strikes at likely invasion hexes, I am also thinking of putting together a high altitude Frances or Kamikaze strike with good pilots and escorts. He can't have that many Corsairs in this group of baby carriers.

Meanwhile two baby carriers and two battleships spotted north of Singers in the strait.

Working thru my turn, lots of clicks. These turns are a lot of work, and for me really has been little reward since I foolishly lost the KB back at the Marianas.


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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/20/2015 3:47:36 PM   
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Here comes the invasion...most likely Kanoya and somewhere else, the islands I guess. Lots of CVEs leading, most of Japanese planes were protecting a Shikoku invasion, but a high altitude strike by Frances penetrate the Allied CAP on the lead task forces and puts one torpedo into a CVE.

Disappointing, the size 36 sentai fractured and flew in three groups. during the AM and PM phases, with the first splinter of 13 well escorted and penetrating.






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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/20/2015 3:53:42 PM   
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The Allies seem to be moving their six division stack west and south down the road from Battambang.

Several Allied tanks are in the open across the river...while the 1st Division attempts to make for Pakse (only 6 miles left), boy did they get bombed last turn.






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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/20/2015 5:53:52 PM   
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Here comes the invasion...most likely Kanoya and somewhere else, the islands I guess. Lots of CVEs leading, most of Japanese planes were protecting a Shikoku invasion, but a high altitude strike by Frances penetrate the Allied CAP on the lead task forces and puts one torpedo into a CVE.

Disappointing, the size 36 sentai fractured and flew in three groups. during the AM and PM phases, with the first splinter of 13 well escorted and penetrating.







...Okinawa?

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/20/2015 6:21:55 PM   
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Here comes the invasion...most likely Kanoya and somewhere else, the islands I guess. Lots of CVEs leading, most of Japanese planes were protecting a Shikoku invasion, but a high altitude strike by Frances penetrate the Allied CAP on the lead task forces and puts one torpedo into a CVE.

Disappointing, the size 36 sentai fractured and flew in three groups. during the AM and PM phases, with the first splinter of 13 well escorted and penetrating.







...Okinawa?


Looks like the offshore islands to me.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/20/2015 8:58:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bet it is Kanoya...did my turn as if it was Kanoya.

But I wouldn't be surprised to see if he grabs an island or two, or three. Only 150 AV on the best of them.

Turn is away, and I am hoping for big things!

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/21/2015 5:04:37 AM   
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I bet it is Kanoya...did my turn as if it was Kanoya.

But I wouldn't be surprised to see if he grabs an island or two, or three. Only 150 AV on the best of them.

Turn is away, and I am hoping for big things!


I posted while at the airport.

I mean, I guess Tanegashima and Yakushima could be bomber bases, but the other 2 aren't really worth anything... Okinawa would be better for him to start bombing the southern HI, although he probably figures it to be well fortified if there is anything outside of Japan that is going to be well fortified at this point.

If I were him and actually going to be landing on Kyushu, I'd pick Kagoshima over Kanoya. Same terrain, on the rail line (so you might send troops directly there in an ill-advised move to try to stall him - and if you do then he lands at Sendai next), and better infrastructure to take over (higher port/AF).

Plus it easily cuts off anything you have at Kanoya .

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Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 11:28:40 AM   
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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 2:05:09 PM   
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A few Betties on night strikes miss. Again.

Invasion Shikoku.

The very first attack was a by a large group of Jeans. Can you feel the scraping of the bottom of the barrel here? Actually, they had pretty decent pilots, and I was hoping since they might attack last. But, like all land base air attacks everything is chaotic.

Still, a Jean gets thru and plants a torpedo.




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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 2:22:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Roughly speaking it is a 575 plane initial CAP by the Allies...

The Myojo Kamikazes do the best work on the day hitting 5 more CVEs with 800KG bombs. Some Kate Kamikazes get thru and sink the Barnes, and a Lilly divebomber makes a hit.

The heaviest escorted attack was with 13 Betties, large groups of planes simply flew in with no escorts including some really nice groups of Myoj's, Judies and Jills.

Japan loses 600 Airplanes for the day, Allies 200. Two CVE's seem to be sunk outright, a total of 7 were hit to varying degrees but with pretty heavy artillery (the 800Kg bomb).

The Allies land unobstructed, IJN destroyers were at Kanoya and then they retreated to Oita where friendly CAP shot down quite a few American attack planes.

26 Allied units landed, from what I can tell without great prep, but the Depot Division plus other troops there won't be able to hold. Lots of Allied tanks.

Almost all of my attacks flew from a size 9 base, with good HQa leaders, all at 15K. I did have some kamikazes a little closer flying at 1000 feet but they simply got shot down...

Flight coordination was simply horrendous...which is par for the course. Amazed really any of the planes got thru.





So a total of 7 CVE damaged or sunk...three are probably sunk, of the remaining 4 they all took 800kg kamikaze hits.

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 2:25:35 PM   
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Allies will take the island, and get a land bridge to two clear hexes on Honshu neither of which has good forts (one has a size 0 fort)...so those Allied tanks will be moving forward.

Good play.

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 2:56:16 PM   
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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 3:13:58 PM   
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It is Shikoku!


What an odd route.

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 3:19:13 PM   
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Allies will take the island, and get a land bridge to two clear hexes on Honshu neither of which has good forts (one has a size 0 fort)...so those Allied tanks will be moving forward.

Good play.


I guess he wants to cut Honshu in half and prevent supplies from flowing south, and resources from flowing north. The latter isn't important anymore because you're on pools for life support anyway. The former... I guess it would hamper you a bit, but I'm not sure it matters either. Just to be sure, I would turn the supply draw for Hiroshima, Sasebo, Kagoshima, etc. up a lot of clicks to prepare. If you have the supply to spare at Tokyo.

Maybe he'll make a grab for the islands in the Sea of Japan soon? And then Korea from the east?

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 5:47:28 PM   
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It is Shikoku!


What an odd route.


Misdirection.

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 9:13:44 PM   
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It is Shikoku!


What an odd route.


Misdirection.


At great risk, unless he was supremely confident that you wouldn't be able to effectively respond at this point. And honestly, that may be the case. But... so many days in a row sailing right through major airbase strike ranges. If, for example, you'd gotten a lucky sub attack on a capital ship...enough for it to break off into an escort TF, it would have been out in the cold with no protection as the rest of his forces continued "misdirecting".

I think you got rather unlucky on your strike coordination. Another line up or down in the RNG seed table and you might've smashed up close to 1000 VPs.

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 10:34:51 PM   
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It is Shikoku!


What an odd route.


Misdirection.

...or woman driver.



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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 11:10:45 PM   
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I'm reading now again your AAR for the first time, nice AAR :)


Welcome aboard.

It is good reading; how not to play Japan!

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/21/2015 11:12:22 PM   
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It is Shikoku!


What an odd route.


Misdirection.

...or woman driver.




Road trip with my wife a few weeks ago, multi-state trip. Five times she wanted to go the wrong way...taking the turnpike to states in the wrong direction, etc.

It must be a skill.

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/22/2015 2:33:30 PM   
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It is Shikoku!


What an odd route.


Misdirection.

...or woman driver.




Road trip with my wife a few weeks ago, multi-state trip. Five times she wanted to go the wrong way...taking the turnpike to states in the wrong direction, etc.

It must be a skill.



I think it's just similar to people no longer knowing certain information because they know they can just google it. But applied to maps.

Taken together with people who couldn't really read maps beforehand, so don't have a good mental picture of where they are and what directions to a place look like in real life... and you get a lot of people getting lost.

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/22/2015 3:56:20 PM   
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I think it's just similar to people no longer knowing certain information because they know they can just google it. But applied to maps.

Taken together with people who couldn't really read maps beforehand, so don't have a good mental picture of where they are and what directions to a place look like in real life... and you get a lot of people getting lost.


A former SAS soldier once said that reading a map wasn´t a skill but rather an art. Some people just can´t translate the information on a map to a real world environment.

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RE: Invasion Shikoku - 9/22/2015 4:43:34 PM   
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I think it's just similar to people no longer knowing certain information because they know they can just google it. But applied to maps.

Taken together with people who couldn't really read maps beforehand, so don't have a good mental picture of where they are and what directions to a place look like in real life... and you get a lot of people getting lost.


A former SAS soldier once said that reading a map wasn´t a skill but rather an art. Some people just can´t translate the information on a map to a real world environment.


Not everybody has spatial intelligence. I see it all the time. I'm one of those people whose mind works that way.

My father, for example, can't picture things in his head at all. It's just not how his brain is wired. The last (and I do mean last) time I had him help me build something from scratch, it was a makeshift wall/wardrobe to plug one of those walk-through dining room/living room doorways that are too big for actual doors. To turn the dining room into a bedroom. When I was making the plans for it, I had forgotten about the very bottom edge of the molding in the room, and so I had to adjust the sides (which I had already cut at a different location) upwards 1/2". So they would no longer be flush with the top of the unit. I needed him to help me by holding the plywood in place while I screwed it together... it went fine on the first side because I told him to just hold it at the 1/2" mark, so that 1/2" was protruding, but he didn't understand why we were doing it in the first place and I didn't want to take the whole unit inside the house to show him why, and then back out to the garage again.

So on the second side, he held it flush instead of 1/2" up, and I had one side that was warped because it was 86.5" of plywood crammed into 86" of lateral space.

" = shorthand for inches

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